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Chris Pine's Enterprise...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Monday, June 22, 2009 10:22 AM

So, now that it's been around for long enough for most of y'all to've seen it, what is your final assessment?
Is it okay? Great? Do you mind the nacelles being closer together?
Can you deal?

I can.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 22, 2009 10:41 AM

I'm fine with it as long as it stays in its own little universe.

What surprised me is how huge it is compared to the "Prime" timeline version. She's got more mass in a single nacelle than an entire Constitution-class.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 10:50 AM

I refuse to believe it's that big.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 22, 2009 11:01 AM

I just did a little visual research, and based on the size of the shuttlecrafts, the ship can't possibly be that huge. They can give us a big #, but it just dosen't jibe with what I see.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:14 AM

Refit bump

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, now that it's been around for long enough for most of y'all to've seen it, what is your final assessment?
Is it okay? Great? Do you mind the nacelles being closer together?
Can you deal?
I can.

The laughing Chrisisall

Ain't seen it yet (in space no one can hear you gasp in faux-indignation), but still plan to...planned to, that is, until these nacelles of closer mutual proximity were brought to my attention. No sir - I don't like it! If Mr. Roddenberry had intended for the Constitution class to have its nacelles that close together, he'd-a jolly well done it that way to begin with! There are some things in this galaxy with which I simply cannot be havin',and 2 of those things would be starship nacelles that look like they're this close to going and getting a room!

And what's next? I'll tell you: Klingons and tribbles living together...MASS hysteria!

ETA: Given the content of several of the posts in this thread, might we not consider changing the thread title to "That's what she said..."?

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:15 AM

The redesign is crap. There's plenty of redesigns out on the net that improve on the original, and some that look worse. But none of the worst amateur efforts are quite as bad as that.

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:02 AM

Yeah, I've seen some GREAT ones, some thanks to you, Cit, and this one they picked for the new movie ain't one of 'em. I wouldn't call it "crap" though... it's better than the Galaxy class in the NG!
Is it not?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, I've seen some GREAT ones, some thanks to you, Cit, and this one they picked for the new movie ain't one of 'em. I wouldn't call it "crap" though... it's better than the Galaxy class in the NG!
Is it not?

The laughing Chrisisall

It is indeed better than the Galaxy Class and it is also better IMO than the B and C versions.
A will always remain my fave though.

Back to the diagrams and it seems like the figure of 725 meters has been taken from somewhere (maybe an official figure, I don't know) and then the drawing scaled to that. The windows on the new version are way too large. I would estimate they should be around the same size of those on the original timeline A version.
Which brings me to another point - surely the new version shouldn't have the A attached to the end?
It's only the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 at the moment.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, I've seen some GREAT ones, some thanks to you, Cit, and this one they picked for the new movie ain't one of 'em. I wouldn't call it "crap" though... it's better than the Galaxy class in the NG!
Is it not?

I wasn't impressed by TNG. I really don't like this though, so I'd say this is worse.

Quote:
Originally posted by LWaves:
Back to the diagrams and it seems like the figure of 725 meters has been taken from somewhere (maybe an official figure, I don't know) and then the drawing scaled to that.

725.35 meters is straight from Bad Robot Productions.

Quote:
The windows on the new version are way too large. I would estimate they should be around the same size of those on the original timeline A version.

Maybe the windows are bigger.

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:

A will always remain my fave though.

My fave is TOS Enterprise, with remasterd detail, specifically.
And yeah, B & C versions blew.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

725.35 meters is straight from Bad Robot Productions.

Oh, and they know?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:01 PM

I think it's decent... I'm not happy that there are rumors that khan will be in the center in the next movie...That ships sailed I hope they don't do that...however, I like the actor choices and the ship design...especially chekov, anton yelchin is a great actor...

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:15 PM

Only seen it 4 times, not sure yet. Didn't orig have 2 shuttles, not the dozens they have now.

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:21 PM

I liked it. Now I won't say it was great, but very well done. I liked the casting of the actors - I don't know the actor's name who played Scotty but he was great. And Zoe Saldana as Uhura, perfect.

I was not thrilled with the story, but that's a minor quibble. I was also disappointed with the treatment of Kirk's mother - once he was born she was discarded without a logical exit. Again minor quibble. They wasted Eric Bana, IMHO. But they made perfect use of Leonard Nimoy. Man did he look old.

The new Enterprise was somewhat hyper-extended. It seemed forced and artificial. It doesn't hold a candle to Serenity. It was all sleek and phony-looking, but of course we're talking about the Federation. I much prefer the "old" Enterprise.
Now that ship had character. NCC-1701.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
I liked it. Now I won't say it was great, but very well done. I liked the casting of the actors - I don't know the actor's name who played Scotty but he was great. And Zoe Saldana as Uhura, perfect.

I was not thrilled with the story, but that's a minor quibble. I was also disappointed with the treatment of Kirk's mother - once he was born she was discarded without a logical exit. Again minor quibble. They wasted Eric Bana, IMHO. But they made perfect use of Leonard Nimoy. Man did he look old.

The new Enterprise was somewhat hyper-extended. It seemed forced and artificial. It doesn't hold a candle to Serenity. It was all sleek and phony-looking, but of course we're talking about the Federation. I much prefer the "old" Enterprise.
Now that ship had character. NCC-1701.

SGG

Tawabawho?

Scotty is Simon Pegg. See Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz.

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Only seen it 4 times, not sure yet. Didn't orig have 2 shuttles, not the dozens they have now.

Yeah, this one's a bit bigger, but the explanation is that wartime causes ships to be designed differently. This timeline is a markedly rougher place...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:17 AM

I've seen the movie twice, and I will definitely buy the DVD when it's available. I'm not a "techie", so I don't focus so much on the ship. To me it sorta looks like the Enterprise I knew, sorta in the same way that other Enterprises have looked like more modernized versions of the original.

It's the timeline-shift element that is both fascinating and frustrating for me. I watched Original Episode "Obsession" the other night. Kirk's career is explained somewhat in this episode.

His first space assignment was as an Ensign aboard the starship Farragut, under the command of Captain Garrovick. This was the ship & crew that encountered the gaseous dichromium creature that killed half the crew of the Farragut, over 200 people. Kirk received a commodation, but he blamed himself for not destroying the creature when he had the chance. This was 11 years before Captain Kirk ran into the same creature in a different part of the galaxy. One can postulate that Kirk served in Star Fleet for at least 5-8 years before becoming a Captain. Those years of experience and command situations prepared him for the big chair. By contrast, Chris Pine's Kirk earned the seat right out of the Academy by luck and timing and moxy. Two different Kirks in two different quantum realities. And no mention of his brother Sam either.

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:38 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And no mention of his brother Sam either.

Sam could have been his younger brother, in which case, Sam doesn't exist in the new timeline.

In the meantime, I'm having all manner of fun playing wit-er, EXAMINING my new Father's Day present!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
I much prefer the "old" Enterprise.
Now that ship had character. NCC-1701.

What, this old thing?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:47 AM

Ahhhh.
My next toy...
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Enterprise-NCC-1701-Definition/dp/B002
BH4U56/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1245876341&sr=1-8

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:13 AM

Sweet!

The remastered version does look mighty fine and runs a very close second to the A version.

I really should look at getting more Star Trek props for my collection.
I have a TOS era phaser and that's it.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:25 AM

Evil Romulan double post...

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:

The remastered version does look mighty fine and runs a very close second to the A version.

There was a time when I'd have agreed, but the new details visible on 1701 without the messy 60's opticals obscuring them make me love it just a bit more.

And, if you are as big a Trek fan as I, you MUST check site this out:
http://startrekpropauthority.blogspot.com/2008/07/star-trek-original-s
eries-prop.html

And this:
http://www.saucersoverhollywood.com/phaserpage.html

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:06 PM

I have no problem with the new Enterprise. The Next Generation was about the worst. I still prefer the Enterprise of the early movies. Not only a nice design, but a great paint job.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by traveler:
I still prefer the Enterprise of the early movies. Not only a nice design, but a great paint job.

The blue bits bugged me, as well as the more "compact" sensor array, but yeah, it was great.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:16 PM

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

Not a fan of the new design--seems kind of klunky: the nacelles seem too big for the frame. Give me the Matt Jeffries original and movie versions anyday. That being said, I may get used to it after time--it took nearly 3 seasons before I could stand looking at the Enterprise-D

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:20 AM

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Originally posted by Peulsar5:
it took nearly 3 seasons before I could stand looking at the Enterprise-D

I hear ya.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Peulsar5:
it took nearly 3 seasons before I could stand looking at the Enterprise-D
I hear ya.

The laughing Chrisisall

I still can't.
TNG was the only Trek series I could never get in to. Although that may have had far more to do with Riker's and Troi's bad acting than the ship design.

Thanks for the links Chris.
Prop auctions are great even though I can rarely afford to buy anything.
Yes I am a big Trek fan but it's pretty much TOS/original crew movies only with some DS9 thrown in. Plus the new movie.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Yes I am a big Trek fan but it's pretty much TOS/original crew movies only with some DS9 thrown in. Plus the new movie.

My Son is even more hardcore, for him it's only TOS, and ST1, 4 & 6. The new movie is on his s**tlist because they destroyed Vulcan, killed Spock's Mom & had yucky kissing on the transporter pad.
He dabbles in NG because of Data, and Voyager because of the EMP, but has no solid love of either.

Picky, ain't he?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Voyager because of the EMP.

Picky, ain't he?

The laughing Chrisisall

The EMH was easily the best thing about Voyager. Tell him I agree with him there.
Although the fact that he likes Data as well might mean a future career in artificial human development and research.

Picky?
Like Fatherisall like Sonisall?

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:52 PM

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Picky?
Like Fatherisall like Sonisall?

Now thats funny!

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:

Although the fact that he likes Data as well might mean a future career in artificial human development and research.

He wants to develop a sentient robot to discover life on Mars. I told him it would be more fun to go there yourself.

Whatever.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, I've seen some GREAT ones, some thanks to you, Cit, and this one they picked for the new movie ain't one of 'em. I wouldn't call it "crap" though... it's better than the Galaxy class in the NG!
Is it not?

The laughing Chrisisall

HOW DARE YOU DEGRADE THE NCC-1701-D! IT CAN SAUCER SEP FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!! And by the way,if you think that the redesign is crap, watch STAR TREK NEMISIS, THEY FRIGGIN' KILL OFF DATA, DATA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:16 PM

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
And by the way,if you think that the redesign is crap, watch STAR TREK NEMISIS, THEY FRIGGIN' KILL OFF DATA, DATA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They DO??? I haven't SEEN it yet- thanks for spoiling it!!!!

*just kidding*
To me, Insurrection is the only truly GREAT NG movie.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:24 PM

Okay, it's official now, the new design has grown on me. I accept it fully along with the Motion Picture refit, although the original version is still my absolute favourite.

The laughing Chrisisall

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