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Friday, September 8, 2006 9:51 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Yeah, but she could have done it AS SOON AS Caleb came to town and saved an eye, a favored character and you know who!

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Friday, September 8, 2006 10:09 AM

CHRISISALL

Hey, if she could have....er, the writers would have let her

You got me Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 2:48 AM

FLF

Life on this side o' the water's great thanks - and yourself? Have to say thought chris, I disagree with you about season 7. I like it - -but it's not the best season.
Some of the episodes were brilliant (think conversations with dead people et al) but the overall storyline just didn't have the depth of some of the other seasons - much like with season 4.
My personal fave seasons were season 2 (although spike and dru played a bug part in that) and season 5 (yes- even with dawn and riley). Althought that may just be because of the irrational attachment i feel towards it --it being the first season I ever watched. I have to admit though- Faith made season 3 kick ass!

I would also like to point out that the writers never seem to use the same trick twice. I mean - Buffy + Giles + Willow + Xander, would have worked to kill many of the Big Bad's - not least Caleb, but it seems like once they used it on Adam - they couldn't do it again because that wouldn't make good TV. Or i could just be being annoying.

I'm a quitter. I come form a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all.

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 5:03 AM

CHRISISALL

Objectivly speaking, I guess 3 is the best overall, but I love 7 because Buffy's taking charge, and it has Faith in the last 5 eps, and she's a total good guy here. Also Chosen rocks. Overall, it's kinda a mess, but the highlights were high.

Later boo.

Blazing Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 6:29 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This thread, and your dislike of 6 & 7 in particular, Finn, is what made me put off seeing them for so long. Maybe I was just prepared, but seven is equal to 3 for me now, not in overall quality, of course, but in the high points. Chosen and OMWF are my two favourite episodes.

Dark works for the Buffster Chrisisall

I’m glad you liked S7. It’s good to know that some value came from them.

Truthfully though, it was the discontinuity that put me off. One of the major points of being the slayer was that short lifespan. It was part of the dramatic suspense that lent some degree of gravity to what would be an otherwise frivolous storyline. The movie was a flop because it merely played parody with different stereotypes – the ditzy blonde and the superhero. But with a tv show Joss was able to expound on this contrast of stereotypes and show us a superhero who was a ditzy blonde. Buffy was, in every way, a traditional superhero with supernatural powers charged with saving the world, yet unlike Superman, her weakness wasn’t some abstract “kryptonite,” but merely that she was human, and suffered from the same heartaches, confusion and mortality that we all suffer. That was the shtick that made Buffy work. Buffy wasn’t just a superhero; she was a metaphor for life.

And of course for a couple of times she “died” for dramatic effect, not something most real people do, but okay we all knew that it was for dramatic effect. But at the end of S5 Buffy died for real. And that was only way the show could have ended. That was the fate of all slayers. It is the fate of all life in general. Bring Buffy back in Season 6 destroyed the very thing that made Buffy work. I could no longer believe that Buffy was real, because now she was just an immortal superhero like all the rest.

It’s not that S6&7 were bad, in fact, S6 had some of the most mature writing of the whole show, and probably would have been great season had I been able to take any of it seriously. But the whole point of S6 was to recreate the feeling of “realness” after having destroyed it, and I don’t think they ever did. And then S7 completely distorted the whole idea and instead took Buffy in the direction of some sort of crazy Hollywood ending that was completely out of sync with what Buffy was all about. I think they should have stopped while there were ahead. Taken by themselves S6&7 were probably very good, but taken as a whole, they created an unfortunate discontinuity.

That's just my take on it. I think many people probably disagree.

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 2:17 PM

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Yeah, but she could have done it AS SOON AS Caleb came to town and saved an eye, a favored character and you know who!

didn't she have to have the scythe to 'channel the power' for it? and she only got that near the end.

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:48 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

But at the end of S5 Buffy died for real. And that was only way the show could have ended. That was the fate of all slayers. It is the fate of all life in general.

Good points all around, and I see where you're coming from, I was almost there myself. But Buffy's struggle in S6 worked for me.And in 7, I like the idea of taking the rules- the sacred and only ways accepted down through the millenia- and saying "F**k 'em!!!"
She found a way to change what couldn't be changed.
She did the impossible.
Now you see exactly why I like Buffy S7 AND Serenity

Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:51 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by charliethebloody:

didn't she have to have the scythe to 'channel the power' for it? and she only got that near the end.

Charlie, you're priceless!!!

Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:50 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Good points all around, and I see where you're coming from, I was almost there myself. But Buffy's struggle in S6 worked for me.And in 7, I like the idea of taking the rules- the sacred and only ways accepted down through the millenia- and saying "F**k 'em!!!"
She found a way to change what couldn't be changed.
She did the impossible.
Now you see exactly why I like Buffy S7 AND Serenity

You have a stronger tolerance for the big picture direction then I do, or maybe you focus on local details like individual episodes, instead of the major plot arcs. If a season breaks character with the show I’m very quickly offended. Like DA.S2. Although I think the Buffy.S6 was miles better then DA.S2, which was full of crazy clichés, it really wasn’t the cheesy episodes with their transgen of the month that bothered me but how DA.S2 never seemed to fit with the original premise of the show.

I probably get a lot more enjoyment out of these shows if I were more like you.

Also you're being punk'd by whatever site hosts these images you're posting.

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:32 AM

CHRISISALL

I do a lot of attention deficit and hyper-focus as the lack of continuity or uneven quality demands. DA,S2 requires me to HF on Max and Logan to enjoy, and sometimes even just get through parts (Gossamer? What's a Gossimer?) I can pick apart almost literally ANY SF movie you can name, to the point that I might hate it, without even trying too hard, so I don't try. I just look to see if the enjoyable or meaningful parts warrant my AD or HF to make it worthwile. For instance, Firestarter really isn't a great movie, but if I HF on the parts that successfully bring scenes from the book alive, I have a great time watching it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

Also you're being punk'd by whatever site hosts these images you're posting.

What means 'punk'd'?

Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:48 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

A Gossamer? That’s the big red hairy no-head-having monster from Bugs Bunny.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
What means 'punk'd'?

What does this look like to you? Are you seeing an extremely long graphic? Or a picture of General Zod?

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Monday, September 11, 2006 6:27 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Yeah -- I have to admit - when I'm watching s7 - I LOVE it. The individual episodes are clever, funny, interesting -- everything we've come to expect form Buffy over the years.
Unfotunately I have to side with Finn on this one. The ending to season 5 just felt right- although I'll admit I cried (mainly 'cos i thought the show was over really -- happened again with Chosen) - but it was what should have happened. She's the slayer. Slayers die. It's sad but true (in the buffyverse of course lol).
Although - I think it's worth the slightly unsatisfactory ending when you consider that because of season 6&7 - we got OMWF, evil scary veiny willow (who i thought was pretty cool) as well as Nathan Fillion, and more Faith.
HOWEVER, I don't like what they did with Willow (TARA!), Xander and Anya, and Giles (not a season regular! althought I guess that was Anthony Head's choice).
ANYWAY. Will stop rambling now. Really I will. Now.

...and we will call it...this land...

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Monday, September 11, 2006 7:47 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What does this look like to you? Are you seeing an extremely long graphic? Or a picture of General Zod?
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It's just the General, about 1/4 of the width of the screen, just like on the post I stole, er, borrowed it from. Is it effing up your screen or something? Should I not use it?

And can you wait for the new version of Superman 2 in November?

?Chrisisall?

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Monday, September 11, 2006 4:36 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's just the General, about 1/4 of the width of the screen, just like on the post I stole, er, borrowed it from. Is it effing up your screen or something? Should I not use it?

I would probably avoid using it. It’s causing some serious horizontal scrollage.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And can you wait for the new version of Superman 2 in November?

I wasn’t actually aware that a new Superman 2 was coming out, much less in November. Wasn’t there just a superman movie this summer? Is this a modern remake or a jazzed up version of the 1981 version?

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:27 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I wasn’t actually aware that a new Superman 2 was coming out, much less in November. Wasn’t there just a superman movie this summer? Is this a modern remake or a jazzed up version of the 1981 version?

It's a re-cut of the flick, using all the Donner footage, and scaling back the Lester campy crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_II:_The_Richard_Donner_Cut
EDIT: I found this too, if you want more...
http://www.collider.com/dvd/article.asp?aid=2865&tcid=3

It'll be history Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:57 AM

CHARLENE

Willow falling for Kennedy was horrible!
(that was my first thought)

Buffy kissing Angel, that wasn't fair. Poor Spike!!!

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Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 PM

YESMYNAMEISKALI

1. More Angel!!!

2. Less Kennedy...

3. liked this idea above - 2 hr. finale

"See, I've secretly been kind of a fan of me for some time now. I've seen everything I've ever done. I'd love to meet me, but I'd probably just stare and not be able to say anything witty or anything." -- Joss Whedon

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:06 AM

DREAMTROVE

How could season seven be saved with only three changes?

Okay. Let me try:

1. Joss could have actually run it instead of leaving it to his deputies, who are very talented writers, but without his leadship, led the show towards the mediocrity we know as television.

2. All the levels of undo that were done. A living story moves forwards. Willow's magic grows, it doesn't get put back in the box. Spike doesn't cease being a bad boy and become a wussy mommies boy again.

3. The serialization of the story was a disaster. After conversations with dead people, the series falls apart because of a radical change of format.

Obviously, it goes without saying that the endless little details like Kennedy and the potentials were a total trainwreck, but, I thought the major structural changes caused the ultimately failure of the season. Story changes alone would not save this from the vast wasteland of regular serial television.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:08 AM

IMO

1. Not having Kennedy as Willows girlfrend, bringin bak Tara and Willow and Tara gettin bak 2gether!

2.Anya not dying- her and xander were just starting 2 get bak 2gether!

3.Buffy marryin Angel

IMO

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Monday, October 2, 2006 10:18 PM

LUCASHARPER

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:35 AM

FLF

I'm sorry - I must step in here to defend Anya.
She is a good character - and at times was certainly needed to provide laughter or sense.
You're just a spoil-sport. Sorry. My arguments can often degenerate into name-calling. It's not my fault.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:44 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

1. More of a focus on the core scoobies. They kind of got left out during all the fuss about the potentials and Andrew and other side characters. Except for the Buffy/Spike storyline which never seemed to go anywhere and didn't make sense a lot of the time.

2. LOTS of development for Dawn! The glimpses we got of the woman she was becoming during the season were really amazing. I was very sad we didn't get to see more of her, especially after Conversations with Dead People.

3. Tara in Conversations with Dead People instead of Cassie. Just imagine what those scenes in the library would have been like! I mean, the episode was brilliant and is one of my overall favourites, but Tara in the episode would have been ... wow!

Of course if I were allowed a fourth I'd bring Tara back somewhere before the end of the season. Just because

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 5:34 PM

RAULBLOODWORTH

Season seven was one of the worst seasons of any television show I have ever seen in my life. It was boring, the writing was terrible, and it made me lose all interest in characters that I loved been following for six years.

1. Kill Dawn.
2. Have Robin beat Spike "Lies My parents Told Me"
6. Xander or Willow should have died doing something heroic.

raul bloodworth

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 6:18 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I know this thread's been around a long time, but until recently I had only seen season 7 once. Just finished watching it again, and for the most part what I felt about it the first time around was still the same.

1. Spike's intention had been to get the chip out of his head, but then they spun the story to where getting back his soul was supposedly his intention all along. That was cheating.

2. Tara instead of Cassie talking to Willow in Conversations With Dead People.

3. Someone, anyone, should have killed Andrew in season 6. I cringed everytime he was on screen. Way more irritating than Kennedy.

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Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:46 PM

WINDSTRUCK

I like season 7 in their individual forms. The idea of giving the slayers their powers is wicked.

Although I must admit that I would want to change a lot for season 7. So I am goin with my top 3.

1. Tara - Tara should talk to Willow in the Lubrary. It was UBER-STUPID to have Cassie talk to Willow. UBER STUPID! It maybe because Amber did not want to return?

If Tara returned it would have been a really, really good season. Love is good.

2. KENNEDY - NO WILLOW-KENNEDY relationship! Kennedy was useless anyway. Kennedy was forced. Just watched the DVD and I am still trying to swallow her in. (Metaphorically speaking). It never looks like love.

3. LESS POTENTIALS, MORE CORE CHARACTERS - Caleb should have been in there early in the season. Xander and Willow and Anya And Giles! Anya and Xander should have gotten married again!! Then it would have been great with Anya dying. If the world was about to end, I would have rushed my marriage!

When I watched season 7, I felt that there was constant foreshadowing. We know something is coming, so will you stop already??? Something is always coming anyway.

Does anyone know what is stopping Caleb from invading the Summers residence? The first?? Come on!

The thing I felt about season 7 is that there is too much let-up, that ended up a let-down.

The hospital scene with Xander and Willow was well-done. You can see and appreciate the relationship of the two. They were there from the beginning. They were there before Buffy. One can almost feel the level of friendship those two had in that scene. Simon and River. Hmmm...

There should have been more of them. Giles felt useless in the season. But I love the part when they thought that Giles was the first. Going to the desert and tackling him. FUNNEEE!!!

I would not have the 4 characters separate in the end. I want them to come out of Sunnydale High last, a final face-off with the first before the destruction of Sunnydale. Embraced in Spike's light, no ubervamps, no bringers, The original scooby gang vs the first. Willow, white haired. Xander, one-eyed. Giles, Brittish!

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Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:54 PM

ARCADIA

Lots of people have been saying "Tara, not Cassie, should have talked to Willow in CWDP" so I just wanted to mention that this was not the writer's/Joss's fault. Amber Benson was asked to come back for the episode, but, to quote her imdb trivia page:

Quote:
Amber declined to return to "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1997) in the seventh season, because creator Joss Whedon wanted her to play a villain masquerading as her slain character, Tara. Knowing how Tara's death had upset so many of her fans, Amber did not want to further traumatize them by having the character seemingly return from the grave, but being evil.

Here's the link to her trivia: http://imdb.com/name/nm0072435/bio.

It's just one of those things. Circumstances considering, I thought that the writers did pretty well with Cassie taunting Willow.

Arcadia (aka Greyfable and/or Katie)
www.stillflying.net -- picking up Firefly were Joss left off. We will hold 'til he gets back.

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Friday, October 20, 2006 3:21 PM

RIVER6213

1. When Willow does her spell that would endow all the Potentials with full slayer powers Dawn also gets endowed with the power. She and Buffy does have the same blood.

2. Anya does not die.

3. Angel fights along side Buffy.

-River

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Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:59 PM

JWHEDONADDICT

3. Less time on potentials. Yes, I agree with the decision to have them exist, but they took over most of the show and that did piss me off a bit, mostly because Xander had nothing to do. still glad Joss changed his mind about killing Xander off instead of injuring him...that would have killed ME.

2. Killed Kennedy (and Rona!)off, soon after her crush on Willow was revealed. I had no problem with Kennedy's feelings for Willow. If I were a gay woman, I probably would too, but I never bought that Willow would be attracted to her personality...ugh!!!!!!!!!

1. Buffy chooses neither Spike or Angel, but best friend Xander...or at least would have hinted at that potential development after she was done being cookie dough.

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Friday, December 8, 2006 11:18 AM

DIGIFICWRITER

1) No continuity errors (Giles actually still part of the Council, Willow not being all scared of doing magic on BtVS and yet super-powered and confident on ANGEL, etc.)
2) Make the Potentials not as weak (the concept of the Potentials was great, but it sort of failed in execution)
3) Dawn actually becomes a Slayer

There's more stuff I would change, but you only asked for 3 things.

I was a huge critic of S7, but having watched nearly every episode, it's not nearly as bad as I first thought it was; the season actually has some great themes and ideas, but some of them were not executed as well as they could have been (which can also be said of BtVS Season 4).

Edit: I also wanted to say that, in hindsight, Kennedy's not nearly as bad of a character as I initially thought she was, and, when you look at the various facets of Willow's personality, it's not that hard to believe that she'd fall in love with someone like Kennedy or Faith (since the two characters are incredibly similar in personality).

Take my love
Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell 'em I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I've found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me

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Friday, December 8, 2006 11:53 AM

OPPYH

Put Willow together with a nothing character like Kennedy, and there is no magic,(pun intended) but when she was with tara her character was much more natural, and she just seemed like Willow.

I swear in season 7 of Buffy willow was replaced with a bland person that resembles Willow in every way, except personality.

I don't have a hatred toward Kennedy in any way. The actress that played her did a fine job, and she made a great potential/slayer. Just one smal thing: Keep her the hell away from Willow.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:41 AM

LEXAN

1. More Xander..and one or two Xander centric episodes (Willow got two, 'Same Time, Same Place' and 'The Killer in Me'.)

2. Less 'inspirational' speeches from Buffy. They were so cheesy and made me like the character a whole lot less.

3. For the characters to have actually acted like the characters. Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles and Spike all really weren't themselves and were very bland in this season.

Season seven was definitely the worst season. In my opinion, Andrew pretty much saved the season from turning into a boring, meaningless slump.

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Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:26 AM

JOLLY

Season 7 seemed to hit its stride about mid-season, but for me the finale lacked any real impact. The most emotional moment for me was the scene between Willow and Xander after Xander lost his eye.

Anyhow, in terms of changes:

1. No last moment arrival of Angel and no amulet. Perhaps if I was simultaneously watching Angel I wouldn't have objected, but this all seemed tacked on. How many times do Buffy and Angel have to say goodbye? And what was the signfiicance of the amulet? No explanation at all within BTVS.

2. Eliminate the dull romantic subplots (Faith-Principle Wood, Willow-Kennedy). Not every character needs a "growth" moment.

3. No chloroform scene. Gee, as if I thought for a moment that Xander and Dawn wouldn't be there for the end.

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Monday, August 11, 2008 8:28 PM

OPPYH

Bump!

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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:09 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Bump!

Good grief. How'd I miss this thread!!

Anyway three things you say eh?

1) Bring it back to Buffy and the scoobies - Potentials sure, but not under one roof. Just have them as abstract entities that we don't see, but just hear about.

2) Larger arc involving Principle wood and Spike - That confrontation was looking meaty there for a while, but like a home firework it just went Phut!

3) No Sunnydale High.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I liked the Potentials - I just would have liked to see a little less of them. And I liked Faith and Principal Woods - would have liked to see more of them together ("A surprise? What is it?" "You DO know the meaning of the word, right?") Spike and Principal Wood could have been more developed.

And, of course, more Xander, more Willow, more Giles, more Anya, and Tara, Tara, Tara.

I thought the Series Finale was everything I ever hoped it could be. Of course, Sunnydale High HAD to be the center of the action - it always was, in one way or another. It made the ending so concise; once more into the breach, dear friends...

Mike

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