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Monday, July 18, 2005 12:06 PM

Is DA best viewed full screen or widescreen?
I'll let the usual suspects deposit their opinions.

As always, DA fan 452 Chrisisall

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Monday, July 18, 2005 10:52 PM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Well, I always prefer the widescreen - I have this tiny TV in my room - and it's never as fun watching it on that. I have to go downstairs ro watch it on the widescreen - and the volume turned up really loud. Ah, widescreen is always more fun.
I couldn't really comment on what the r1 DVD's are like, not owning them and such. I would really have liked to see it without all the edges trimmed off though.

Square-eyed FLF.
chrisisall - 452? I reckon 494!
(Plus I'm 452 - just so's you know)

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:06 AM

given that i watch all my dvds on a widescreen projector i get a much larger picture with the anamorpic version compared to the 4:3 so i like it that way.

also, as i mentioned in the other thread, at no point whilst watching em did i feel that i was missing bits of the picture due to cropping to make it fit 16:9. due to them shooting it in such a way as to be croppable, as you mentioned in the other thread, you may even find that the camera work looks better this way.

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eviltobz - that's lowercase gorram it!

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:48 AM

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Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:

Square-eyed FLF.
chrisisall - 452? I reckon 494!
(Plus I'm 452 - just so's you know)

HE he - I always think of Chrisisall as 494 myself (or possibly 493?? Do yer friends still have their teeth??)

I like to see myself as 453 - just that little bit less than perfect (a cheap copy of perfection maybe)....

The DVD I have doesn't seem to offer me any choices of how to watch it - or is that something the TV does (I'm clueless)??

Plus, Chrisisall, you mentioned (I'm almost sure) in a previous discussion something about commentaries on the final disc outlining what was due to happen in the next series etc (or did I make that up?) .... if they are there, I'm buggered if I can find them!!

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:03 AM

Those commentaries are for whatever reason exclusive to the region 1 set. There's also one or two commentaries by Jessica and Michael together, and it's a little strange, 'cause they did the commentary for the eps after they split, so you feel a certain formal distance between them as you listen.

And I'm actually Chrisisall 524...that's part of my real barcode #

Chrisisall 524

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:08 AM

I am aware sometimes that you see down to peoples feet in a lot of shots where it isn't necessary which leads me to believe they basically cropped the lower quarter of the screen as photographed to produce the widescreen effect.

DP Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:55 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Those commentaries are for whatever reason exclusive to the region 1 set. There's also one or two commentaries by Jessica and Michael together, and it's a little strange, 'cause they did the commentary for the eps after they split, so you feel a certain formal distance between them as you listen.

And I'm actually Chrisisall 524...that's part of my real barcode #

*Zoot grinds teeth in annoyance* - I knew us region 2 watchers were being short-changed!! Is it worth me getting the region 1 DVDs at least for season 2??

I’ve been meaning to say to you, BTW, Chrisisall, that I had a general problem with season 2 versus season 1, in that it seem to be edited in a much sloppier, less polished fashion… A lot of the “go to break” cliffhangers, were just not as slick and there were several instances where they seemed to jar. Did you notice this at all?

There were even instances where a characters speech was unnaturally amputated and we faded to black a bit too early – plus there were some where the character said the same thing twice- obviously in the TV version, before and after the commercial break, which felt all manner of wrong!!

It disappointed me a bit that they seemed to take less trouble over season 2 – despite the fact that I do love season 2 almost as much as I love season 1…

PS - I really, REALLY wanna hear Jessica and Michael being coldly formal towards each other - It'll feel that little bit voyeristic but I'll love it nonetheless ....

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:11 AM

In season 2 they were obviously trying to do a lot more on the same budget. Makeup alone took a great deal of time (forget money) and must have slowed the whole process down, giving the editors even less time to work on the daily footage. I also noticed the lighting was simpler in comparison to S1, another sign of time and $ limitations, with the exception of Freak Nation; check out the amazing lighting and camerawork, Mr. Cameron personally will not be so rushed!

To tell the truth, I haven't listened to most of the commentaries in full, they distract me from the eps, although the featuretts are cool. Seein' how the make stuff is always fun. Does your R2 S1 have the bloopers? How about the screen tests for Jessica, Michael, and the rest?

Bonus Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

To tell the truth, I haven't listened to most of the commentaries in full, they distract me from the eps, although the featuretts are cool. Seein' how the make stuff is always fun. Does your R2 S1 have the bloopers? How about the screen tests for Jessica, Michael, and the rest?

Bonus Chrisisall

Oh Gawd! Stop tormenting me, you fiend!!!

No my R2 DVD has nothing other than a poxy "Here's how it was" style 10 minute documentary about the idea behind DA - which, let's face it, I already knew, having watched the gorram thing!!

Have just looked on Amazon for region 1 DVD and they seem to think that us old chaps in Blighty could never want such a thing – may have to try and order from Amazon US …

Are these things predominately on one or other set of DVDs or spread between the two?

I like commentaries in general – love the Buffy and Firefly ones, but that’s kinda cos they have different people doing them every time – If it's just Michael and Jessica could get a little dull … (though obviously I’d spend my time listening for sounds of hurt in his voice and inflections implying “I’m sleeping with younger members of the cast so ner!” in hers

– dear God, I’m sooo shallow!!) …

And I forgive the less than impressive lighting and editing given constraints of money and time …

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:58 AM

Each season has bloopers for that particular season, only S1 has the screentests, Jessica and Michael comment together on only one ep: And Jesus Brought a Casserole (S1, of course). Commentary on Freak Nation has the 'where were they goin' stuff on it. 4 eps per season have commentary by Eglee and producers/writers/directors. 3 short making-of featurettes per season.

There, I dug 'em out and checked for ya.

Weary Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:09 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Each season has bloopers for that particular season, only S1 has the screentests, Jessica and Michael comment together on only one ep: And Jesus Brought a Casserole (S1, of course). Commentary on Freak Nation has the 'where were they goin' stuff on it. 4 eps per season have commentary by Eglee and producers/writers/directors. 3 short making-of featurettes per season.

There, I dug 'em out and checked for ya.

Weary Chrisisall

Thanks, you're an angel!! (not a dark one)

Just found both series region 1 sold on ebay by chap in London who's watched them once ....

Hurrah! v cheap!

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:16 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

OMG - I REALLY need a multi-region player - there's SO much more on the region1! I am very of the most annoyed! Why would they think we wouldn't want this stuff (and pay more money to get it) over here?
Oh, DANGIT!
AAAAARGH!
WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

GORRAM DVD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE DO I COMPLAIN?

Slightly frustrated FLF
aka 332960073452. ahem.

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:24 AM

At least yours has the superior picture quality!
This is a conspiracy to sell more region-free players, isn't it?

Conspiracies are not exclusive to governments Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:32 AM

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Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
OMG - I REALLY need a multi-region player - there's SO much more on the region1! I am very of the most annoyed! Why would they think we wouldn't want this stuff (and pay more money to get it) over here?
Oh, DANGIT!
AAAAARGH!
WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

GORRAM DVD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE DO I COMPLAIN?

Slightly frustrated FLF
aka 332960073452. ahem.

Couldn't agree more! And am not sure "slightly frustrated" really covers it - except in an ironic way ... I haven't got a multiregion DVD but watch region 1 on my apple ....

Just don't go bidding for a set of region 1 DA DVDs on ebay, cos those suckers are mine!!!

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:22 AM

Not sure if you've seen it on broadcast, but before first season eps aired, a quickly produced explanation appeared on Fox just before the ep narrated by Logan - he tells of the terrorists' nuclear explosion 80 miles up (complete with a shot of the explosion over NW U,S.), and says it was easy for a girl to get lost (Max) but that she had found 'an unlikely ally' in Logan Cale, a man born of wealth and privilage, now using it to fight corrupt government. And that all Max wanted was to find the others like her. Had you seen it? It's not on R1 dvd's. I still have a few eps on tape that have it.

BTW, does anyone think it's strange that Logan refers to a character having 'served in Iraq' (not Gulf War, the character is too young) militairly in the pilot? Pretty Gorram prophetic if you ask me...

I and I Chrisisall
P.S. first season was not broadcast in letterbox (widescreen) normally, only in HD.

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 AM

evil, I've been doing a lot of lookin' around, and can't seem to find out if DA was shot wide and cropped to fit the tv, or if it was shot normal and cropped top or bottom to get it widescreen.
One source said that in widescreen there's dead space left and right which would indicate they shot it wide originally.
For instance when Logan stands after the transfusion only to fall and be helped up by Max (with no thanks) we see them centered, Max visible standing head to toe with just enough room to see both of them. If it was shot wide, then an R2 version would include more of the table on the right, and a wall to the left, if it was cropped from a normal 4:3 Max' feet would be missing from the shot.
Have any recollection of which it might be?

Chrisisall the anamorphic nut

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
... if DA was shot wide and cropped to fit the tv, or if it was shot normal and cropped top or bottom to get it widescreen...

I've only checked Heat, and that is shot wide and cropped for full-screen. IMHO the composition was definitely intended for wide-screen. Alba is adorable in both formats

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:44 AM

Please don't tell me it was originally shot wide!! Now I have to buy a region-free player!!!
The agony, the agony!

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please don't tell me it was originally shot wide!! Now I have to buy a region-free player!!!
The agony, the agony!

Chrisisall

Poor Chrisisall - Life is truly cruel!! Still “man is born to sorrow as the sparks fly upward” and all that jazz …

Have just been gorram outbid on ebay - dammit to hell and back ... gonna have to be sneaky about upping the bid ...

No, CIA, haven't seem the Michael W narrated summary bit - Another thing I didn't like in series 2 though was the random female voice narrating the "she can't hide, she must fight" speech or whatever it is over the credits ...

Felt bit like Giles' "Into every generation a slayer is born" bit - but at least there it's a character from the show, not just some random narrator ...

Felt a bit crappy ....

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:02 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

You only have to worry about missing some of the tiny bits at the edges - you get LOADS of crap we don't have!
DIE DVD PEOPLE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem.

Breathe in, breathe out, in, out.
Calm.....
Put Vera down.....
Do NOT use your body as a weapon - whoops.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:09 AM

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Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
You only have to worry about missing some of the tiny bits at the edges - you get LOADS of crap we don't have!
DIE DVD PEOPLE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem.

Breathe in, breathe out, in, out.
Calm.....
Put Vera down.....
Do NOT use your body as a weapon - whoops.

EXACTLY!! Life is so DAMN unfair!!!!

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:35 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

So will R1 be likely to work on my laptop?
That'd be OK, I'd only have to get the DVD's then.

Again, stroking my invisible flourescent pink beird.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:53 AM

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Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
So will R1 be likely to work on my laptop?
That'd be OK, I'd only have to get the DVD's then.

Again, stroking my invisible flourescent pink beird.

It depends :-

1) does your laptop play DVDs?
2) when it plays DVDs does it give you the option of which region to watch them in?

If so, yes you probably would be able to watch them on your laptop ... your laptop might be a multi-region DVD player anyhow (thus speaks Zoot who really knows nothing about these things)!!!

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:26 AM

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Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
You only have to worry about missing some of the tiny bits at the edges - you get LOADS of crap we don't have!

For sheer time, it's not that much, but it's good stuff, certainly.

Select to view spoiler:

in the screentest for the male lead, Jessica (already casted) reads with Michael, and the film-makers animate an arrow going from Jessica's eyes to what part of Michael she's checking out - it's funny.

The bloopers run, like, 4 minutes.

Don't overthink it Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:35 AM

Sometimes really cheap (and I mean REALLY) don't have anything but playing ability and have no region encoding limitations, but it's a spotty issue. Here in the U.S. Apex made a couple like that, but you have to check...
Being shot wide answers the grain issue, DA is slightly grainier than Buffy- same studio, same film, but different lenses, and then side cropping! Is R2 DA totally equal to Buffy in visual quality, as I expect it should be?

The Grain man Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:42 AM

he ehhehe eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhheeeee

Just read your spoiler hidden text - very VERy funny!!

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:44 AM

The DVDs I'm bidding on on ebay look like the real US thing - think the guy is selling them cheap cos they're region 1 in a region 2 country ...

Must say I haven't seen any differnece in quality between DA and Buffy ...

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:05 AM

I found region-free players on the net for under $100, that's not an unreasonable price...
On R1 the picture fills the average screen nicely and the faces are all big and bright and such, but they had to zoom in slightly, and this increases grain somewhat, not bad, just noticable to an animorphic fan geek like me.

AFG Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:19 AM

If you really like commentary about making the episodes - how they shot this, the light kept falling over, we had to rewright, it started raining right in the middle, etc.- the commentaries are good. If you just want the actor's stuff, you might consider only getting S1, it's the only one w/Jessica and Michael, and the only one w/screentests. Both have bloopers, but both are very similar, mostly makin' faces after blowin' lines.
And the commentary in Freak Nation about the show's direction doesn't really say much more than I put in that other thread.
Jus' tryin' to save you some coin...

Thrifty Chrisisall
P.S. the thought of DA anamorphic is almost more than I can bear *he says, as jagged shards of lightning dance around his head*

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:25 AM

You must stay calm, CIA, or you’ll have some kind of embolism...

What’s coin when you can have commentaries … it’s like a year of unbridled passion instead of pasta ….

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:57 AM

Okay, I'm fine now.

CalmInAnarchy 524

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:04 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

I'm just really short on coinage at the moment - so when I get home,(I'm actually in London till Saturday) if my laptop's multi-region I'll be having a serious look-around to find the region1's. Thing is- I also wanna get Taken on DVD. Great show/mini-series/series of TV movies/whatever. But whatever it is, it's some of Spielberg's best work (and that's saying something really now isn't it?)

A tiny bit confused/skint/vaguely annoyed (I'm vaguely annoyed a LOT) FLF.
P.S. Thanks for the coin-saving tip! (wink, wink)

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:30 AM

Since we seem to have similar tastes in SF, I will take it that I must also get Taken (have not seen it), if it's so good you'll spend money for it.
Now I got a list!
Woe is my wallet.

Cash poor transgenic Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:42 AM

A director from DA did one of the Taken eps, okay, now I'm really interested.

Jeff is cool Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:10 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Did he really? Ooh, I wanna get it even more now.
No, it really is VERY good. Have you seen War of the Worlds yet? The kid (Rachel or something) out of that is in Taken - she's great too!
I've seen it for £25 in HMV, and am considering whether my purse can take that and (possibly) DA on region1. hmm. (shall have to do more invisible flourescent pink beird stroking.)

Oh yeah, and Darla (out of Buffy and Angel - she's a lot cooler in Angel though isn't she) is in a few of the earlier episodes.

DA or Taken or DA or Taken or DA or Taken AARGH!

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:16 AM

Idea...you send me your R2 DA, and I'll send you my R1?
Is yours in good condition? Mine is absolutly scratchless- I'm very meticulous when it comes to dvd's.

Anamorphic madness Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:26 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

I want it back though. WIDESCREEN.
and yeah, mines' in pretty decent nick.
But the postage is probably RIDICULOUS. It's a good idea though. We should try it.

Hmm. An idea?

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:35 AM

You want it BACK?
Oh well, there goes that idea. Once you go wide-wack, you never go back.
Postage is probably half the cost of buyin' it anyway.
Geez, we is desperate.

Wacky Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:38 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

I know - do you know anywhere I can go to just see the extras (and hear the commentaries etc.)
I really wanna see them.
Well, if I'm ever in the states (or you ever come to the UK) we should watch them and stuff.
Yeah, cos that's likely. Oh, well.

Poor non-extras watchin FLF.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:42 AM

No choice but to roll out the coin.
Time for me to sell more comics

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Bye bye X-Men Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:58 AM

Hey Zoot, you wann swap your R2 for my R1?
No? I didn't think so...
Widescreen rules.

Reachin' here Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:52 AM

Is 49.99 a lot in pounds?
EDIT: 50 pounds is currently 86 american dollars, so I've descovered that I'm very happy with my full frame editions for now.
Good news is on amazon us DA is 30 american dollars per season, so that means about what, 17 or so pounds for you? Is that a good price?

$Chrisisall$

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:26 AM

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Hey Zoot, you wann swap your R2 for my R1?
No? I didn't think so...
Widescreen rules.

Reachin' here Chrisisall

Ha! I've got no clue the difference between wide screen and normal - due to being pretty dumb and having a TV the same age (almost) as I am (Over 30!! - I may be exaggerating slightly - about the TV, not me)

So I might jsut take you up on the offer CIA - I'll let you know if I don't get R1 cheap when the auction finishes on Friday!!

Who's looking nervous now?

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Is 49.99 a lot in pounds?
EDIT: 50 pounds is currently 86 american dollars, so I've descovered that I'm very happy with my full frame editions for now.
Good news is on amazon us DA is 30 american dollars per season, so that means about what, 17 or so pounds for you? Is that a good price?

$Chrisisall$

That's an excellent price! Pretty much the same as a round of drinks for 5 in a normal priced pub!!

You may just have to become our US supplier ...

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:42 AM

I checked again, and it's like $30 for the first, and $40 for the second, so just punch up Amazon US, I guess.
And widescreen means you get little black bars top and bottom of the screen, like in Firefly. My R1 DA fills the screen entirely, cause it's been zoomed into slightly, so some of what you see left and right is gone. If you have an old tv, and it's not big, full screen is nice, but I would like to see as much picture as I can, no matter what size it is.
But at 50 pounds per it's bloody unlikely.

Chrisisall, a bloake

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:16 PM

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But at 50 pounds per it's bloody unlikely.

Chrisisall, a bloake

He he! Caw blimey me ol' mucker, is that yer attempt at an English accent???

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:20 PM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

You might wanna try looking somewhere else for the DVD's cisall - I've seen them for £19.99 a-piece - which really ain't too shabby considering how much more expensive stuff is over here. (I think they're in HMV btw). Oh, and I picked up mine for £34.99 buy-one-get-one-free in Woolworths - only £17.45 each(ish)! So I'm sure if you went looking (maybe try eBay) you'd find 'em cheaper.
Good Luck!

Money-saving-tips all round here!

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Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:08 AM

http://store.superduperclub.net/fox-d2007949d.html
This is the cheapest I found DA here, so if you can't find it for less, ta-daa.
Plus I found a player that plays PAL for $30!!!Is that insane?

$ crunching Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:18 AM

FLF, have you ever bought DVDs from the US??

Have tried to buy the R1 DVDs from Amazon US but they won't ship to the UK - you have to use the UK site, which (grr and woe is me!) don't of course have the R1 sets ...

Tres annoying ...

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Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:53 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Thanks Chrisiall - that's real cheap!
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to offer overseas shipping. hmmm.
Shall ponder it awhile.

Man, that flourescent pink invisible beird sure has come in handy of late

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