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Nader said he finds Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both unacceptable candidates, and he said whichever wins the party's presidential nomination will not have an impact on his decision to run.

"They are both enthralled to the corporate powers," Nader said of the two leading Democrats. "They've completely ignored the presidential pattern of illegality and accountability, they've ignored the out of control waste-fruad military expenditures, they hardly ever mention the diversion of hundreds of billions of dollars to corporate subsidies, handouts, and giveaways, and they don't talk about a living wage."

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Too bad. Except for Kucinich, he was (I think) the best of the Dem bunch. If he'd stayed in he could have picked up more delegates and brokered the convention. He's one of the few candidates that brought up what few dared to speak of: The elite who run the show. The press totally ignored him. I think that saw Edwards' populist focus as a real threat.

When Obama said "It's not about the rich versus the poor" he totally lost my vote because that's exactly what it's about. It's all about money. It's always been about money. The OJ trial showed us that. Since we have an open primary, I'll vote for Ron Paul.

The Man! (Even if she's a woman. Or black.)

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Since we have an open primary, I'll vote for Ron Paul.

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Originally posted by SergantX:
So, early on, you get at least a few candidates that aren't total Madison Avenue cocksuckers.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
....just like you all will eventually vote for your nominee, Hillary.

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Originally posted by SergantX:
So, early on, you get at least a few candidates that aren't total Madison Avenue cocksuckers.

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Being a fan of both reality as many choose not to regard, and as of recent, a fan of the prematurely ended "Deadwood", that quote holds a special place for me on these boards...

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
....just like you all will eventually vote for your nominee, Hillary.

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And I know you wouldn't be referring to me here, wouldja?

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Originally posted by badkarma00:
My main concern with McCain is his stance on immigration. I think he's honest enough, at least in as far as the word 'honest' can be applied to any politician from any party.

Otherwise, I don't think he'd make a bad president. His choice of a running mate, should he get the nomination, is of some concern, considering his health.

I think he'd certainly be better for the country than Billary or Obamasama, though.

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Just making a general statement here buddy.
Would you vote for Nader if he decides to run?
You know that folks like me would love for him to run, and you know why.
If not Nader for you, who would you support?

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Just making a general statement here buddy.
Would you vote for Nader if he decides to run?
You know that folks like me would love for him to run, and you know why.
If not Nader for you, who would you support?

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Not looking for a quarrel with you here, just saying that since I'm happier than a pig in shit that Mr 911 is going down and I'm not a fan of McCain anyday, I'd never be caught dead voting for a Demoncrat unless they were as Democratic as Dr. Paul is Republican.

I'd have voted for Nader the last two times if my head hadn't been so far up my ass in my youth. As it were, I'm glad I didn't vote Demon like my "American Government" junior college teacher preached to us to do all semester and I didn't vote Rethug like my ex-boss used to tell me to do. I didn't vote, and although I realize that gives me less ground to stand on in a debate about which one of those assholes would have done better, I don't feel anyone who voted either "way" last time did their American duty either, so there...

I'm proud as hell of Nader's 6% showing as an third party and my dream would be to vote Paul in under a third party dubbed something along the lines of the "Constitutionalist's" party... minus all the rhetoric and double speak we'd get from any of the swine we have left to choose from on either side, Dr. Paul withstanding.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Seems like some folks are finally getting a taste of reality....that reality being that their far-left, fringe looniness only appeals to less than 5% of voting Americans. Must be tought to deal with that sort of harsh blow to one's set of ideals. If it's any solace, we Conservatives are none-too-thrilled about John McCain being the likely Republican nominee for President, but if he's gonna be our horse, I'll vote for him....just like you all will eventually vote for your nominee, Hillary.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Seems like some folks are finally getting a taste of reality....that reality being that their far-left, fringe looniness only appeals to less than 5% of voting Americans. Must be tought to deal with that sort of harsh blow to one's set of ideals. If it's any solace, we Conservatives are none-too-thrilled about John McCain being the likely Republican nominee for President, but if he's gonna be our horse, I'll vote for him....just like you all will eventually vote for your nominee, Hillary.

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Edwards was not a far-left anything, which is part of the problem. Both parties need the center to win, which means that both parties will eventually field canidates who's public image has been carefully crafted by Madison Avenue to appeal to middle class swing voters. That's not necessarily a bad thing because you at least have to outline your platform to a swing voter rather than take that vote for granted. However that demographic has a very tiny set of concerns compared to the American people as a whole, so entire areas will go largely untouched.

In a healthy system you need Ron Paul's and Denis Kucinich's to give more than one viewpoint, having two parties doing all they can to appeal to the same viewpoint is a bad thing.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Edwards, Kucinich, Ron Paul, and the other alternate candidates were getting NO press. Big media has absolutely no interest in change. And saying that Edwards is to the far left of anything just shows how narrow your outlook is.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Awww, pobrecito!

Anyway, you WERE being good. My bad.

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I didn't mean to imply that Edwards was far-left...I believe he appealed to approx. 15-20% of Dems & was a former VP candidate, so he's definitely considered somewhat mainstream. I was refering to Paul & Kucinich primarily. Their voices appeal to a very narrow, but quite vocal fringe...but in the end, it's the party moderates that get nominated. Maybe America needs many more "3rd parties"...not just Independent & Greens...but way more, with some mass appeal like those guys have. Maybe 6-8 viable candidates from 3rd parties, each getting 2-5% would put and end to the dominance of the 2 party system we have now.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
"I know that's a hackneyed cop-out, but what else ya got? Open insurrection in the streets? Violence?"

Why not ?
Seeing as how the batting avg on that is .500
Surely better than grin, bear it and hope for a reach-around, innit ?

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Well it's y'all's country, I pay taxes but they don't let me vote so if you want to change it do something, I'll make the tea.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Could the Big 2 be screwing things up so royally as to unite those they've been so good about keeping at each other's throats for so long?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw- If you can believe it, I'm you're age.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah.... you're probably right Jongs.... one can only hope though, right?

I think my own problem is that I wasn't rebellious at all as a youth. Being the oldest brother carted between 3 different houses for years during school and a latchkey kid when I was old enough, I was pretty much the model kid growing up. Hardest part of that now is how little I've actually made of myself when the expectations around me growing up were so great. The person you talk to on this board isn't the same person that I was only 4 years or so ago when I was 23 or 24... mind I had a good run getting into some trouble once I was out on my own, but save a knife literally buried several inches in my back one night at a party, it was just your normal kid stuff then. I even invited the police into my apartment after I recieved several noise complaints one night and they tore my bedroom apart looking for whatever they decided they wanted to look for. I ended up knowing them by name after the months went by, and noise complaints started to pile on and in the end they really weren't bad guys and I never had do "come in" for anything. It was just a hassle and I've really grown to resent the way that I was treated that first night when I invited them in to look around. I don't remember saying "Please, tear my apartment apart while you're here".

It's completely weird for me to be on the other side and to be honest this duplicity has not been very good on my nerves. That's why I thank ya'all for being here. I'd like to think that the brawls we sometimes get into are theraputic for othersin here as well, including you too. I don't like being an ass or being considered an ass by other people, and I know it's not fair how I treat people here sometimes. Really, most people I know in life I get along with pretty well. One could hardly believe that I really am the introvert I've become if they were watching me at work or on the ever lessening occasion I do go out when I'm not required by life's duties to go out.

I wish I could go back a lot of the time. I know it's cliche now, but I want to take the blue pill and taste the steak again. But once you've opened your eyes I fear it's impossible to close them again. Here's hoping we all find whatever it is we're looking for and we can make the best of this brave new world staring us in the face.

Even Citizen.... You've been quiet lately, if ya been around. Love ya bro

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