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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:47 PM

I have heard some rapper named kid rock or something, has a "new" song on the radio.

I can tell he has stolen the music from Warren Zevon's Werewolf in London and also Lynerd Skynerd's Sweet Home Alabama.
What I can't tell is if those two were already the same music. Did one of them already steal from the other, or is the music just so close that it mixes/blends well?

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:36 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I haven't heard anything new from Kid Rock in several years, the station I listen to most frequently doesn't play him. However, I do like some of his stuff, he does a mash-up of quite a few genres, not just rap. One of the best hours of music I have ever witnessed was once when I was channel-surfing and hit on one of the country music stations, and Kid Rock was singing duets with Hank Williams Jr.

As for his song sounding like Zevon and Skynyrd, hard to say because I would not have thought those two songs you cited were that much alike. I do have them both on cd so I'll have to give another listen. But there is precious little new under the sun, and just as in fiction, whether it be books, tv or movies, there is a lot of sharing and sampling of musical styles throughout the years.

I was watching an old western on TCM the other day (Major Dundee) and I thought some of the music sounded a bit like some of the riffs Greg Edmonson used in Firefly. Do I think that means Greg stole them? Nope, but he could have been influenced by them a great deal. Only if the notes, melody and key are too similar can the artist be held to account.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:19 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I have heard some rapper named kid rock or something, has a "new" song on the radio.

I can tell he has stolen the music from Warren Zevon's Werewolf in London and also Lynerd Skynerd's Sweet Home Alabama.
What I can't tell is if those two were already the same music.

I love Kid Rock (great exercise music at the gym).

He mixes a little hip hop, rap, country, Motown, hard rock, and southern rock (often in the same song, which is somewhat unique). That gives him a pretty wide range. He also pays homage by name to the folks he learned from like Skynyrd and Johnny Cash.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:04 AM

KWICKO

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In answer to your question, NO, "Werewolves of London" and "Sweet Home Alabama" are NOT the same music. They're not terribly far apart, but they're definitely not the same.

Mike

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Come to me about anything Kid Rock "stole" when you show me proof that Sean Kingston is spending life in prison without payroll for stealing "Stand By Me", and making an upbeat song about guys killing themselves because they went crazy from beautiful girls. For that matter, P. Diddy should get at least back to back life sentences, and Mariah Carey for ripping off at least 3 songs on every album of hers since Daydreamer. At least Kid Rock writes his own stuff and doesn't have shit for brains like any of todays retard rap ripoffs of classic music.

Do you people see my problem with copyrights now?

THEY DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PROTECT THE ARTIST!!!!!!

Don't know how many times I have to drive that point home before it becomes evident. The studios have been throwing that "protecting the artists" propoganda bullshit at us for years. FACT: Whoever has ownership of their music (which is always the studios, except in the rare cases like the Doors or the Stones) is the one who decides what is stealing music and what is "sampling" music. Just ask George Harrison's ghost... Or just Wikipedia it if seances aren't your thing.

Sampling - What the record industry labels stealing when it's done on their terms and CEOs get nice multi-million dollar bonuses for allowing it.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I did not intend to imply kidrock was the only music thief. I undersand it is throughout rap, urban, hip hop, etc genres.
I had usually enjoyed Madonna, and was highly dissappointed when she stole ABBA music for her last album.

I was wondering about the LS and WZ connection - I had not known of them to collaborate, and had not really thought of those 2 pieces as being as similar as kidrock makes them.
Sometimes I hear music from my favorite artist being played by another band, and find that a memeber of the band is common between the artists. Didn't know if that was happening with these pieces, or something else.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

And I didn't intend to come off like I was yelling and directing that towards you. I just get infuriated that STEALING is okay when a suit who doesn't have a creative bone in his body okays it and his/her pockets get lined and the company's stock price goes up as a result. Then I have to hear that any money that The Verve made for their brilliant "Bittersweet Symphony" was taken by them from the Rolling Stones because that violin that plays in the background was taken from a single live performance of the Stones's song "The Last Time"

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FROM Wikipedia.

Leadoff single "Bitter Sweet Symphony" entered the UK charts at #2. The single reached #12 on the U.S. charts, the band's highest position ever in the USA. The song borrowed a looped sample of a symphonic recording of the Rolling Stones song "The Last Time".[5][6] The band had obtained composition rights to the sample from ABKCO Records owner Allen Klein, which controls the Rolling Stones' back catalogue and permission to use the recording of the sample from Decca, the publisher of the original album.[7]

Just before the CD Urban Hymns came out, Klein obtained a copy of the song and decided that the band had used "too much" of the sample and threated a lawsuit. At that late time there was no way the sample could be removed, so the band and Klein came to a verbal agreement, “We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split" says band member Simon Jones. Later, when it was apparent that the song was a huge, worldwide hit Klein demanded 100% of the royalties or they would be forced to removed the CD from the record shops. The band settled out of court with Klein resulting in ABKCO Records obtaining 100 percent of the songwriting royalties.[8] Further, as a result of the lawsuit, Rolling Stones members Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were given songwriting credits. With full publishing rights to the song, ABKCO Records could legally sell licenses to advertisers and did several times. The song appeared in a Nike commercial against The Verve's will and then in advertisements for Vauxhall automobiles. After the song was used in the movie Cruel Intentions, The Verve filed a moral rights (copyright) suit to ensure the song was not distributed commercially any more. The Verve is said to have not made a penny from the song.

Also, I'd like to note that I was mistaken before and the Stones don't have control over their own cataloge. Apparantley, the thugs at ABKCO Records control that.

EDITED TO ADD: I don't believe The Verve's manager when he said that it was too late to remove it. Of course, if CD's were already on the shelves and more in the production process, there is nothing that could have been done about that. But I'm just a mediocre guitar player with a mediocre voice and a mediocre sound setup and I have software on my mediocre computer that can record 8 tracks, even days apart, and put them together to make a pretty decent sounding song. They could have removed it, but the truth is, the song would have lost so much without it that it might as well have been a B side track (or for the kiddies here, a song you'd never pay 99 cents for on iTunes).

That doesn't mean it's not art though. They had permission and it was revoked. I'm sure they would have come up with another way to make that song great had they known that songwriting credits would go to Dick Jagger and the boys ahead of time. (Or truthfully ABKCO Records, and the board who gets million dollar bonuses through stock options every year, if you want to be real about it).

Now.... how good would have Sean Kingstons turd have done had he not had "Stand By Me" directly ripped off? I'm sure it wouldn't be selling any ringtones... and people might just have realized what a bad message had been sent out in such a cheery way.

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Saturday, September 7, 2024 9:46 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

I don't class rap as 'music' and punk is noisy

another area of debate is how people have used 'samples' the edits of other songs

Rick Beato does a pretty good thing on Copyright in his social media vids, you can't trade mark copy the Major Scale, you can't Copyright the Minor Scale either nor can you say you own a Chord progression those things have been around hundreds of years if not thousands. Some Artists don't own their songs so if you hear a song play on the radio, you might think that there’s only one copyright for that song, but it can be owned by Record Companies and owned by the multiple artists involved whose voice or melody you hear. But, in fact, that is not the case, it can get even more complex legally, the record company might also own a song and rent it out to another singer to make their hit

as for folk and world music

Brazil's Sergio Mendes, who made bossa nova popular globally, dies at 83

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/entertainment/sergio-mendes-d
eath-brazil-bossa-nova-406011

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