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Originally posted by rickker:
because Firefly is a non-reality sci-fi show. It costs money to make and the sci-fi channel can't spend money on sci-fi programing cause it costs to much. theyll spend it on nonquality crap programming rather than quallity, if it has quality they cancel it quick; Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Battlestar Galactica, Dresden Files. And to a lesser extent of quality First Wave and Invisible Man. But we get plenty of Frakkin' ghostfacers(Supernatural is awsome) / ghost hunters, and destisnation crap.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
The dvd rights is only a partial reason, and definitely not the main one. FOX did allow Joss to shop the show around but no network was interested at the time, probably because of the expense. The times that a network has taken on another network's discard can probably be counted on one hand, and not even all the fingers on that one. I can recall JAG and Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and there might be one or two other examples.

Also, don't forget that the dvds were not released until a year after the series was canceled, long after everyone passed on the deal and before anyone knew how big a seller it was going to be.




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Originally posted by rickker:
because Firefly is a non-reality sci-fi show. It costs money to make and the sci-fi channel can't spend money on sci-fi programing cause it costs to much. theyll spend it on nonquality crap programming rather than quallity, if it has quality they cancel it quick; Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Battlestar Galactica, Dresden Files. And to a lesser extent of quality First Wave and Invisible Man. But we get plenty of Frakkin' ghostfacers(Supernatural is awsome) / ghost hunters, and destisnation crap.

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Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
Never cared for Buffy or Angel. Never watched a single episode.

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
The bottom line is, of course, MONEY, and lots of it.

The BDM, according to Box Office Mojo, cost $39M to make and grossed $38.9M at the box office.

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Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
. Just not a Joss worshipper, or bought into that whole Wedonesque cult. Never cared for Buffy or Angel. Never watched a single episode. But Firefly? Hell yes!
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Most people are too dumb to appreciate good writing, and great character development.

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Just not a Joss worshipper, or bought into that whole Wedonesque cult. Never cared for Buffy or Angel

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Originally posted by ImNotHere:

I think the big marketing problem was that it was sold as "Buffy in space" (Big picture of Summer in whoopass mode on all the UK posters) and Buffy is pretty much percieved as a kids show, especially in the UK. When I saw Serenity, a group of people walked out after hearing about Kaylee's nethers

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Hey ImNotHere
People really walked out on the movie - especially at that part. Wow, I don't think they got the movie.

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Say, do you remember if any of the actors in the BDM were ever interviewed on any of the talk shows?

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Never cared for Buffy or Angel. Never watched a single episode.

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How can you know you don't care for something you've never seen?


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Because I did not care for a woman slaying vampires. Van Helsing was a better vamp-slayer.
Angel: A Vampire show again? Really the Whedon take on Anne Rice was questionable. Really the whole Vampire genre is been there, done that!

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The bottom line is, of course, MONEY, and lots of it.

The BDM, according to Box Office Mojo, cost $39M to make and grossed $38.9M at the box office.

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And obviously didn't make a penny on DVD, otherwise it would have been one of the first movies to be released in HD. Oh, wait - it was!

I think the big marketing problem was that it was sold as "Buffy in space" (Big picture of Summer in whoopass mode on all the UK posters) and Buffy is pretty much percieved as a kids show, especially in the UK. When I saw Serenity, a group of people walked out after hearing about Kaylee's nethers

Your correct. Buffy teenie-bopper, and Angel ??? who knows. The BDM was marketed as by "The creator of Buffy" If you weren't a goth vampire wannabe why watch Buffy/Angel? I wouldn't waste prescious hours of my life on it.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
The times that a network has taken on another network's discard can probably be counted on one hand, and not even all the fingers on that one. I can recall JAG and Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and there might be one or two other examples.

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Because I did not care for a woman slaying vampires. Van Helsing was a better vamp-slayer.
Angel: A Vampire show again? Really the Whedon take on Anne Rice was questionable. Really the whole Vampire genre is been there, done that!

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I'm like Auraptor here. I didn't think much of Buffy/Angel prior to Firefly, have several pre-conceived notions of what it was about (teeny-bopper vamp slayer, meh!) and I also didn't care for the original movie. Then I realized that the brilliance of Firefly doesn't just appear out of nowhere, and I learned that not only Joss, but a lot of the other writers and directors on Firefly had worked in the Buffyverse. I started renting the discs through Netflix, but along about the middle of season three I splurged and bought all the seasons on dvd. Haven't regretted that for a second. Also got all five seasons of Angel, and actually like it more than Buffy.

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Originally posted by rickker:
because Firefly is a non-reality sci-fi show. It costs money to make and the sci-fi channel can't spend money on sci-fi programing cause it costs to much. theyll spend it on nonquality crap programming rather than quallity, if it has quality they cancel it quick; Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Battlestar Galactica, Dresden Files. And to a lesser extent of quality First Wave and Invisible Man. But we get plenty of Frakkin' ghostfacers(Supernatural is awsome) / ghost hunters, and destisnation crap.

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It is more profitable for them. The ratings for wrestling are pretty good, and the cost is dirt cheap. They are in business to make money and they make a lot of it with wrestling.

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Originally posted by Penthos:
Exactly, don't blame scifi for showing wrestling, blame the wrestling fans... that's what I do.

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Or maybe we should stop watching the SciFi channel all together.

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Maybe the thought of losing a hundred thousand or so viewers would convince them to try just a litle bit harder to bring the show back in some form or another.

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The unfortunate reality being, if that happened, their revenue would go down, which would make them more inclined to do even more cheap programming.

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I don't buy it... if SciFi can afford to produce shows like BSG, Eureka, and Stargate SG a-z, then SciFi can afford to produce Firefly...

They need get off the pot and buy the Firefly rights from FOX instead of feeding us roid-raged rednecks in leather boots and sequened speedos pretending to beat each other up... Enough all ready!


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Uh, I didn't say they couldn't now....

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It is more profitable for them. The ratings for wrestling are pretty good, and the cost is dirt cheap. They are in business to make money and they make a lot of it with wrestling.

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Exactly, don't blame scifi for showing wrestling, blame the wrestling fans... that's what I do.

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Exactly, don't blame scifi for showing wrestling, blame the wrestling fans... that's what I do.

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but it is meant to be a science fiction channel. Imagine if National Geographic started airing horror movies or porn or something.

People are right to complain about skiffy

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Saturday, April 26, 2008 13:35

I think the "women as bad-asses" obsession is unrealistic and tiring. Starbuck from BSG being made into a woman?

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Originally posted by Tholo:
I think a campaign to get an answer from scifi might help?

lets send in a email forwarded to every bc fan and see if that will help. does anyone know someone in hollywood? maybe a trip to scifi's home office and asking to speak to someone with answers? or camp out in front of the home office until we get a "real" answer as to why they wont pick it up as a show?

heck i dont know why they cant make a statement for us to let us know. it would allow most of us to sleep at night, eheh

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because Firefly is a non-reality sci-fi show. It costs money to make and the sci-fi channel can't spend money on sci-fi programing cause it costs to much. theyll spend it on nonquality crap programming rather than quallity, if it has quality they cancel it quick; Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Battlestar Galactica, Dresden Files. And to a lesser extent of quality First Wave and Invisible Man. But we get plenty of Frakkin' ghostfacers(Supernatural is awsome) / ghost hunters, and destisnation crap.

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Ok I agree with you on Farscape and Dresden.... but SG-1?? Canceled QUICK? Probably just poor choice of words. That show got more of a chance than any other Science Fiction show that I can immediately think of. Besides Doctor Who. I enjoyed SG-1 greatly since it's inception but the last two seasons had far more bad than good. Sure they made some big mistakes with cancelation. It should have been canceled after season 7 or so, so they could pick up the originally planned Stargate Command(or whatever they were going to call it) series which would have starred the cast SG-1 had in it's final couple seasons. Then it may have run for even longer. But ofcourse they wanted to go for longest running series and got greedy.

Anyway this is a thread about Scifi picking up Firefly so I'll have to say I agree with ECGORDON that it was the expense of the show and it's poor ratings that sealed it's doom. Didn't matter that the ratings were due to poor advertisement and scheduling issues.

There's still hope for more 'verse. And it most likely lies with either the internet or Fox, unless Uni decides to make further films. Joss's new series Dollhouse will, if a big enough hit, renew his standing(in the eyes of the big wigs) as a money maker. I won't say if it'll be a continuation of Firefly(Very unlikely.. though one can hope) or a new series set in the 'verse. All I hope is that Joss can pull it off and make it stick.

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