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Finally getting around to HBO's John Adams.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Should be required viewing for EVERY American, young, old, new or hoping to be one.



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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:00 AM

RIPWASH


I liked it as well and was thinking the exact same thing. More people need to go back and take a good, long, hard look at what our Founding Fathers thought and expressed during a very difficult time in history. Making extraordinarily difficult decisions that could very well have cost them their lives (and in some cases did).



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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:19 AM

SUASOR


Politics was actually rather nastier back then, something which has largely been forgotten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:22 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Should be required viewing for EVERY American, young, old, new or hoping to be one.

Hear, Hear.

Incidentally, that's a phrase I use on fff.net regularly. John Adams was the genesis.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:25 AM

RIPWASH


Quote:

Originally posted by Suasor:
Politics was actually rather nastier back then, something which has largely been forgotten.



Quite possibly, but there were fewer politicians, too.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:03 PM

DAVESHAYNE


The problem with the show was that it was about easily the least interesting of the founding fathers. I kept wanting the show to go follow Benjamin, Thomas, George, Abigail, or really anybody else instead of staying on the old stick in the mud. I'd suggest 1776 for a much livelier treatment of the revolutionary era.

David

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Thursday, June 4, 2009 4:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery throughout his life. He considered it contrary to the laws of nature that decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. He called the institution an "abominable crime," a "moral depravity," a "hideous blot," and a "fatal stain" that deformed "what nature had bestowed on us of her fairest gifts."

Early in his political career Jefferson took actions that he hoped would end in slavery's abolition. He drafted the Virginia law of 1778 prohibiting the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784 he proposed an ordinance banning slavery in the new territories of the Northwest. From the mid-1770s he advocated a plan of gradual emancipation, by which all born into slavery after a certain date would be declared free.



As historian David Brion Davis noted, if Jefferson had died in 1785, he would be remembered as an antislavery hero, as "one of the first statesmen anywhere to advocate concrete measures for eradicating slavery." After that time, however, there came a "thundering silence." Jefferson made no public statements on American slavery nor did he take any significant public action to change the course of his state or his nation.

Countless articles and even entire books have been written trying to explain the contradictions between Jefferson's words and actions in regard to slavery. His views on race, which he first broadcast in his Notes on the State of Virginia in 1785, unquestionably affected his behavior. His belief in the inferiority of blacks, coupled with their presumed resentment of their former owners, made their removal from the United States an integral part of Jefferson's emancipation scheme. These convictions were exacerbated by the bloody revolution in Haiti and an aborted rebellion of slaves and free blacks in Virginia in 1800.

While slavery remained the law of the land, Jefferson struggled to make ownership of humans compatible with the new ideas of the era of revolutions. By creating a moral and social distance between himself and enslaved people, by pushing them down the "scale of beings," he could consider himself as the "father" of "children" who needed his protection. As he wrote of slaves in 1814, "brought up from their infancy without necessity for thought or forecast, [they] are by their habits rendered as incapable as children of taking care of themselves." In the manner of other paternalistic slaveholders, he thus saw himself as the benevolent steward of the African Americans to whom he was bound in a relation of mutual dependency and obligation.

By 1820, during the political crisis that resulted in the Missouri Compromise, Jefferson had come to believe that the spread of slavery into the west—its "diffusion"—would prove beneficial to the slaves and hasten the end of the institution. The prospect of a geographical line based on principle running across the country, "like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror." He feared it could threaten the union and lead to civil war. As always, his primary concern was the stability of the nation he had helped to found. Almost forty years after Jefferson's death, slavery was ended by the bloodiest war in American history.



http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Thomas_Jefferson_and_Sl
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Thursday, June 4, 2009 5:52 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Haven't seen it. He was the defense lawyer for the Armistad slave ship mutiny.

Do they show his son President Q founding the anti-Masonic Party, to protest their assassination of Capt Morgan?

Quote:

Initiation rituals of Freemasonry:

"I will obey all signs and summons handed to me by a chapter of Masons. I will assist a Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty whether he be right or wrong. I promise and swear to forever conceal and never reveal any of the secrets of Masons or Masonry under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across from ear to ear, my tongue plucked out by the roots; my heart taken from under my left breast; my body cut across, my bowels taken out; my body dissected into four equal parts to hang and remain a terror to all those who shall presume to violate the sacred obligation of a Mason."

President John Quincy Adams, "Letters on Freemasonry"
www.texemarrs.com



That's an amazing book. Not just history, but current events. Covers the kidnap, torture and murder of Capt Morgan in detail, and attempted murder of the publisher's entire staff and family. Back in print, published by Capt Texe Marrs PhD, USAF Intelligence, author of millions of books.

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Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:28 AM

KIRKULES


The HBO miniseries was good, but as is often is the case it doesn't live up to the standards of the book that it is based on. John Adams by David McCullough is one of the best nonfiction books I have ever read. It reads just like fiction, with none of the boredom you would generally associate with a nonfiction book. The historical details included in the book just wouldn't translate well to the big screen, but are essential to understanding Adams in my opinion. Definitely watch the HBO series, but read the book first so you can really understand how important Adams was in the formation of our country.

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Friday, June 12, 2009 2:49 PM

ANOTHERSKY


Daveshayne:

Those interesting guys, like the ones who come in with...

"Siddown, John!"



He may have been the stick-in-the-mud, but that's what gets new governments put together. And hardly far from interesting.




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