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Liz Cheney does...well...her usual thing
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 8:25 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:ABC's This Week may have given us the fight of the century, with the heavyweight political commentary bout of Huffington v Cheney. That's right, Arianna Huffington, liberal political blog magnate, face-to-face and toe-to-toe against Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney, and the fireworks lived up to the billing, they were, in a word, priceless. Markos Moulitsas of the Daily Kos, and conservative commentator George Will were also in on the roundtable discussion about the BP oil spill, but the two ladies, more like pitbulls with lipstick, stole the show. ABC's Jake Tapper asked the roundtable group about President Obama's emotion or lack of emotion over the Gulf oil spill. Commenting on the left, Arianna Huffington went right after the Bush-Cheney Administration with daughter Liz sitting there fuming.Quote:HUFFINGTON: I don't why (Admiral Allen) continues to trust BP and continues to trust Tony Hayward? This is not just the first time BP has been in trouble and caused trouble, after all, it has had over 700 egregious violations before this day, so this is really, a part of the problem of our whole regulatory system, which was dismantled during the Bush-Cheney years. And Obama did not fast enough, turn things around. CHENEY: You know it's not actually true that it was dismantled, and there's a very interesting piece this morning in the New York Times about exactly what happened in terms of what exceptions were granted for the CP well, and when they were granted, which turns out to have been during the Obama Administration, but on the issue of the President's emotion....It seemed at one point as if Arianna Huffington could no longer contain her anger as the debate continued.Quote:HUFFINGTON: Right here we have the foster child of Bush-Cheney crony capitalism, Haliburton, involved in this, and we haven't said about that, they are after all responsible for cementing the well. Here is Haliburton, after they defrauded the American taxpayer... CHENEY: Arianna I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not fact, Arianna what you're saying has no relationship to the facts. HUFFINGTON: The truth is that right now we have precisely the regulatory system that the Bush-Cheney administration wanted: full of loopholes, full of cronies and lobbyists filling the very agencies that are supposed to be overseeing the industry. We are seeing this as the inevitable result of what they wanted. CHENEY: It is truly amazing. I actually heard that George Bush was responsible for the breakup of Tipper and Al Gore's marriage, too. It's incredible, the extent to which people are now trying to shift blame. ... The left -- you guys have for years been demonizing Bush and Cheney, and I'm sure you’ll be demonizing them for years going forward. But we have a catastrophe on the Gulf coast, a catastrophe that happened on this administration's watch, which this administration is failing to clean up. Liz Cheney, ever defensive of Daddy's tenure as the puppet master, denies that Haliburton defrauded money from the federal government in Iraq, and Markos Moulitsas is just sitting there and he seems to be loving it.Quote:CHENEY: I don't know what planet you live on. What you are saying has no relationship to the truth, no relationship to the facts. HUFFINGTON: I live on this planet. Halliburton was involved in this. How can you say there is no relationship...Okay I'm so glad Politifacts is going to be checking this, I'm so glad.For all the times you've been watching television and thought to yourself, who cares what Liz Cheney thinks, and why do they always invite her on these shows? And then you witness a moment such as this. Priceless.
Quote:HUFFINGTON: I don't why (Admiral Allen) continues to trust BP and continues to trust Tony Hayward? This is not just the first time BP has been in trouble and caused trouble, after all, it has had over 700 egregious violations before this day, so this is really, a part of the problem of our whole regulatory system, which was dismantled during the Bush-Cheney years. And Obama did not fast enough, turn things around. CHENEY: You know it's not actually true that it was dismantled, and there's a very interesting piece this morning in the New York Times about exactly what happened in terms of what exceptions were granted for the CP well, and when they were granted, which turns out to have been during the Obama Administration, but on the issue of the President's emotion....
Quote:HUFFINGTON: Right here we have the foster child of Bush-Cheney crony capitalism, Haliburton, involved in this, and we haven't said about that, they are after all responsible for cementing the well. Here is Haliburton, after they defrauded the American taxpayer... CHENEY: Arianna I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not fact, Arianna what you're saying has no relationship to the facts. HUFFINGTON: The truth is that right now we have precisely the regulatory system that the Bush-Cheney administration wanted: full of loopholes, full of cronies and lobbyists filling the very agencies that are supposed to be overseeing the industry. We are seeing this as the inevitable result of what they wanted. CHENEY: It is truly amazing. I actually heard that George Bush was responsible for the breakup of Tipper and Al Gore's marriage, too. It's incredible, the extent to which people are now trying to shift blame. ... The left -- you guys have for years been demonizing Bush and Cheney, and I'm sure you’ll be demonizing them for years going forward. But we have a catastrophe on the Gulf coast, a catastrophe that happened on this administration's watch, which this administration is failing to clean up.
Quote:CHENEY: I don't know what planet you live on. What you are saying has no relationship to the truth, no relationship to the facts. HUFFINGTON: I live on this planet. Halliburton was involved in this. How can you say there is no relationship...Okay I'm so glad Politifacts is going to be checking this, I'm so glad.
Quote:DOD auditor referred dozens of cases of suspected fraud, irregular conduct by Halliburton subsidiary, suspended or disapproved hundred of millions in billings. DOD audits led to $452M in suspended or disapproved costs. DOD audits led to $452M in suspended or disapproved costs. DOD audits noted 32 examples of suspected "fraud or other suspected irregular conduct" by Iraq and Afghanistan contractors, the "vast majority" of which were from KBR. DOJ suing KBR for "improper charges to the United States". DOJ has announced a lawsuit against KBR for charging "improper costs" in Iraq from 2003 to 2006. KBR employees found guilty of defrauding the US Government. Three employees guilty of conspiracy in Afghanistan airfield fraud scheme. Halliburton worker pleaded guilty to taking kickbacks on Iraqi subcontracts. KBR employee pleaded guilty to participating in kickback scheme with a Kuwaiti contractor.
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 8:30 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:48 AM
Quote:Investigators delving into the possible cause of the massive gulf oil spill are focusing on the role of Houston-based Halliburton Co., the giant energy services company, which was responsible for cementing the drill into place below the water. The company acknowledged Friday that it had completed the final cementing of the oil well and pipe just 20 hours before the blowout last week According to experts cited in Friday’s Wall St. Journal, the timing of last week’s cement job in relation to the explosion — only 20 hours beforehand, and the history of cement problems in other blowouts “point to it as a possible culprit.” Robert MacKenzie, managing director of energy and natural resources at FBR Capital Markets and a former cementing engineer, told the Journal, “The initial likely cause of gas coming to the surface had something to do with the cement.”
Quote:Cementing an oil well is a process where a specialty cement is pumped into an oil well to plug it and prevent an oil spill and combustible gas from leaking. If the cement is cracked, improperly pumped, or improperly mixed, natural gas and oil can push through the cement. Halliburton had just finished cementing the well when Deepwater Horizon exploded. Halliburton will need more than payday loans to prove it wasn’t the company’s fault. Halliburton oil spill concerns are centered on this oil-rig-cementing process. Halliburton is the largest oil well cementing business in the world, and the process accounts for 11 percent – or $ 1.7 billion – of the company’s business. When the cementing process goes wrong, a Halliburton oil spill is usually the result. A 2007 study found that “cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period.” In other words, Halliburton cementing issues are more common than equipment failure and pipe failure when it comes to the cause of Gulf of Mexico oil spills. Halliburton oil spills have also happened in Australia and other countries.
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:53 AM
Quote: The well was more than 5,000 feet deeper than the design specification on the company's fleet list. In March 2008, at the Minerals Management Service's lease sale, BP purchased the mineral rights to drill for oil on Mississippi Canyon Block 252, referred to as the Macondo Prospect, in the United States sector of the Gulf of Mexico, about 41 miles (66 km) off the southeast coast of Louisiana.
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:32 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:35 AM
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:41 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:45 AM
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:46 PM
Quote:You're acting like idiots, seriously. Merely muttering the word " Haliburton " doesn't prove a damn thing ( other than your mindless hatred to anything remotely connected to Cheney or Bush .. ) and it solves nothing. In fact, your delusional partisan jihad only makes matters worse, by taking the focus off of the real crisis. But what the hell does the Left care, huh?
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:48 PM
ELVISCHRIST
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:50 PM
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:01 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:04 PM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko:....
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:13 PM
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: What Arianna and her ilk do is merely poisoning the well of discussion, and the consequences be damned. She may be worse than a true believer in the Leftist cause, because she is in it for her self, her magazine. What ever she can do to fan the flames of public discord, is good business for her. When AH makes false claims, as she did, why would LIz or anyone else feel the need to take up precious , limited air time to respond to such frivolous nonsense ? You're falling for the very trap that AH is laying. Hook - line - and sinker -
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:42 PM
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:53 PM
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 2:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I've made no false claims, which is the crux of your argument. I've only expressed anger and frustration, and rightfully so, at the worthless excuse of a response that this Federal Gov't has provided. Same as James Carville, same as Bobby Jindal. Kwickie, your words, as well as those of the President, Dir. of Homeland Security, etc... are utterly meaningless and tragically laughable. And yet, y'all keep on talking. Why ? All I have to do is point to the dead wetlands of Louisiana as my proof. YOU HAVE NOTHING! Hell, you even were critical of the response a while back, or had you forgotten, in all your blind partisan jihadist furor ? Of course you have. It's what you do. It's who you are.
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 2:25 PM
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This is far bigger than Katrina. More than homes and structures are being destroyed here, an entire ecosystem. But you love Barry so much, you'll let that slide. It's plain to see.
Quote:ONE Coast Guard Boat. Yeah. That'll do the job. Did absolutely nothing to stop the oil, did it ? And Jindal, the politician, is going to take what help where and when he can. He thanked Obama only AFTER weeks of venting frustration that nothing was being done. And nothing was being done.
Quote: Ever been to Louisiana ? Ever been to the Gulf coast ?
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:09 PM
Quote:....and you've been to fucking dim - Kwickie
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:....and you've been to fucking dim - Kwickie Crassic!
Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:20 PM
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Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:03 AM
Quote: Ariana merely interjects Haliburton into the discussion w/ out a wit of evidence to support her claim.
Quote: She offers no proof or hint of a suggestion that it was shoddy workmanship on Haliburton's part, or that it was because of some lax regulations from the Bush / Cheney days that had any direct connection w/ the accident.
Quote: because she offers zero link between any points she's trying to make
Quote:There's been nothing showing that the cement had , in any way, any cause or effect to the blow out.
Quote:utterly meaningless and tragically laughable
Quote: Too much a coward to even bother w/ the facts, are you ?
Quote: So, show us what a miserable loser you are, show us all how you'll ignore anything and everything , just as long as you don't have to face up to - reality.
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