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Liz Cheney does...well...her usual thing

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 8:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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ABC's This Week may have given us the fight of the century, with the heavyweight political commentary bout of Huffington v Cheney.

That's right, Arianna Huffington, liberal political blog magnate, face-to-face and toe-to-toe against Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney, and the fireworks lived up to the billing, they were, in a word, priceless.

Markos Moulitsas of the Daily Kos, and conservative commentator George Will were also in on the roundtable discussion about the BP oil spill, but the two ladies, more like pitbulls with lipstick, stole the show.

ABC's Jake Tapper asked the roundtable group about President Obama's emotion or lack of emotion over the Gulf oil spill.

Commenting on the left, Arianna Huffington went right after the Bush-Cheney Administration with daughter Liz sitting there fuming.
Quote:

HUFFINGTON: I don't why (Admiral Allen) continues to trust BP and continues to trust Tony Hayward? This is not just the first time BP has been in trouble and caused trouble, after all, it has had over 700 egregious violations before this day, so this is really, a part of the problem of our whole regulatory system, which was dismantled during the Bush-Cheney years. And Obama did not fast enough, turn things around.

CHENEY: You know it's not actually true that it was dismantled, and there's a very interesting piece this morning in the New York Times about exactly what happened in terms of what exceptions were granted for the CP well, and when they were granted, which turns out to have been during the Obama Administration, but on the issue of the President's emotion....

It seemed at one point as if Arianna Huffington could no longer contain her anger as the debate continued.
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HUFFINGTON: Right here we have the foster child of Bush-Cheney crony capitalism, Haliburton, involved in this, and we haven't said about that, they are after all responsible for cementing the well. Here is Haliburton, after they defrauded the American taxpayer...

CHENEY: Arianna I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not fact, Arianna what you're saying has no relationship to the facts.

HUFFINGTON: The truth is that right now we have precisely the regulatory system that the Bush-Cheney administration wanted: full of loopholes, full of cronies and lobbyists filling the very agencies that are supposed to be overseeing the industry. We are seeing this as the inevitable result of what they wanted.

CHENEY: It is truly amazing. I actually heard that George Bush was responsible for the breakup of Tipper and Al Gore's marriage, too. It's incredible, the extent to which people are now trying to shift blame. ... The left -- you guys have for years been demonizing Bush and Cheney, and I'm sure you’ll be demonizing them for years going forward. But we have a catastrophe on the Gulf coast, a catastrophe that happened on this administration's watch, which this administration is failing to clean up.

Liz Cheney, ever defensive of Daddy's tenure as the puppet master, denies that Haliburton defrauded money from the federal government in Iraq, and Markos Moulitsas is just sitting there and he seems to be loving it.
Quote:

CHENEY: I don't know what planet you live on. What you are saying has no relationship to the truth, no relationship to the facts.

HUFFINGTON: I live on this planet. Halliburton was involved in this. How can you say there is no relationship...Okay I'm so glad Politifacts is going to be checking this, I'm so glad.

For all the times you've been watching television and thought to yourself, who cares what Liz Cheney thinks, and why do they always invite her on these shows? And then you witness a moment such as this. Priceless.

http://www.examiner.com/x-40953-Political-Media-Examiner~y2010m6d6-Ari
anna-Huffington-goes-toetotoe-with-Liz-Cheney-Priceless


As to Cheney's assertions about Halliburton, some excerpts:
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DOD auditor referred dozens of cases of suspected fraud, irregular conduct by Halliburton subsidiary, suspended or disapproved hundred of millions in billings.

DOD audits led to $452M in suspended or disapproved costs. DOD audits led to $452M in suspended or disapproved costs.

DOD audits noted 32 examples of suspected "fraud or other suspected irregular conduct" by Iraq and Afghanistan contractors, the "vast majority" of which were from KBR.

DOJ suing KBR for "improper charges to the United States". DOJ has announced a lawsuit against KBR for charging "improper costs" in Iraq from 2003 to 2006.

KBR employees found guilty of defrauding the US Government. Three employees guilty of conspiracy in Afghanistan airfield fraud scheme.

Halliburton worker pleaded guilty to taking kickbacks on Iraqi subcontracts.

KBR employee pleaded guilty to participating in kickback scheme with a Kuwaiti contractor.

Details of each of these can be found at http://mediamatters.org/research/201006060011

Daddy's little attack dog is doing her thing; but where is Daddy to defend himself?

The interview in total (if you can stomach it):




Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 8:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Good for Liz. Telling it like it really is.

Deepwater Horizon was cited and fined how many times under Bush ? 6 ?


Under Obama.... it was given an award for safety.





Hope for change - kick the ASSES out , come November. !







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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 8:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


gorram double post.



this site's acting funny today, and not the ha-ha funny either.

- what the heck, I've already posted , might as well make the best of it.

Ariana merely interjects Haliburton into the discussion w/ out a wit of evidence to support her claim. Yes, it was responsible for the cementing of the well head. BFD. There's been nothing showing that the cement had , in any way, any cause or effect to the blow out. There was a pressure test done, it showed problematic results, and the Transocean folks gave the green light to proceed, ( likely under pressure from BP ). This has nothing to do w/ 8 years of Bush / Cheney, nothing to do w/ slack regulations, nothing to do w/ how the cement was poured, and nothing to do w/ Haliburton's subsidiaries defrauding the DOD half a world away and on totally unrelated matters.

Ariana is playing to her own warped audience, with out any regard to the facts. As usual.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I cited specific instances of Halliburton defrauding the American people. That makes Liz a flat-out liar. It's relevant; it's how Halliburton does business.

The fact of lax regulations where the oil industry is concerned is well documented as taking place throughout Dumbya/Cheney's administration. WELL documented, as are the frauds by Halliburton.

BP won many awards during Dumbya's term in office:

BP wins health and safety award, May 14, 2002
http://www.getreading.co.uk/business/s/3592_bp_wins_health_and_safety_
award


Medal awarded to BP in recognition of their ongoing contribution to safety, March 16, 2005.
http://www.icheme.org/pr_and_media/latest_news/16_03_05release.htm

BP's Whiting Refinery is one of three facilities receiving top honors for 2007 safety records, October 8, 2008
http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/article_806aed4a-eb19-5c17-afc0
-cabdf3ea3d1e.html


First, these awards are a crock of shit, everyone gives them to everyone else for pr, ass-kissing, you name it.

Second, we know about the MMS and the way it was allowed to operate under Dumbya/Cheney...MMS are the ones who were going to give BP the award, OBAMA is the one who dismantled MMS.

And third, you're wrong, they DIDN'T get the award--MMS was GOING to, but it got stopped:
BP Will Not Receive Safety Award This Year After All
http://www.themaritimelawyer.com/bp-will-not-receive-safety-award-this
-year-after-all
/

As to BP's cementing:
Quote:

Investigators delving into the possible cause of the massive gulf oil spill are focusing on the role of Houston-based Halliburton Co., the giant energy services company, which was responsible for cementing the drill into place below the water. The company acknowledged Friday that it had completed the final cementing of the oil well and pipe just 20 hours before the blowout last week

According to experts cited in Friday’s Wall St. Journal, the timing of last week’s cement job in relation to the explosion — only 20 hours beforehand, and the history of cement problems in other blowouts “point to it as a possible culprit.” Robert MacKenzie, managing director of energy and natural resources at FBR Capital Markets and a former cementing engineer, told the Journal, “The initial likely cause of gas coming to the surface had something to do with the cement.”

http://nwotruth.com/gulf-oil-spill-the-halliburton-connection/
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Cementing an oil well is a process where a specialty cement is pumped into an oil well to plug it and prevent an oil spill and combustible gas from leaking. If the cement is cracked, improperly pumped, or improperly mixed, natural gas and oil can push through the cement. Halliburton had just finished cementing the well when Deepwater Horizon exploded. Halliburton will need more than payday loans to prove it wasn’t the company’s fault.

Halliburton oil spill concerns are centered on this oil-rig-cementing process. Halliburton is the largest oil well cementing business in the world, and the process accounts for 11 percent – or $ 1.7 billion – of the company’s business. When the cementing process goes wrong, a Halliburton oil spill is usually the result. A 2007 study found that “cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period.” In other words, Halliburton cementing issues are more common than equipment failure and pipe failure when it comes to the cause of Gulf of Mexico oil spills. Halliburton oil spills have also happened in Australia and other countries.

http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2010/05/04/halliburton-oil-spi
ll-gulf-disaster
/

As usual, you are spouting things that are disproven and only function to trigger others into an argument. You're playing troll again.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


By the way, if the Deepwater Horizon was cited 6 times under Dumbya, then why:
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The well was more than 5,000 feet deeper than the design specification on the company's fleet list.

In March 2008, at the Minerals Management Service's lease sale, BP purchased the mineral rights to drill for oil on Mississippi Canyon Block 252, referred to as the Macondo Prospect, in the United States sector of the Gulf of Mexico, about 41 miles (66 km) off the southeast coast of Louisiana.

So if they were cited six times, why did MMS sell them the lease IN 2008 UNDER DUMBYA?!?!

I mean, get real, your "arguments" have such huge holes in them you could shoot a canon through them. They aren't arguments; they're crap fantasies thrown out to hide behind, and they're untrue. I find it hard to imagine anyone being so deliberately blind to the facts when they're presented over and over and over again. You're just trolling.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:32 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


When are YOU? Or better yet, some balls? Grow up and go away, PN. Isn't it bad enough you slather this place with your vomit, without you going in and changing other peoples' titles to reflect equal nausea? Take your fantasy conspiracies and post them where someone might be interested.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:41 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


I notice that the article you cite doesn't mention Ms. Cheney's criticism of BP's apology ad campaign (1:50 into the ABC video they link), or questions about the government's 'dithering' for three weeks about building berms to protect shoreline (5:15)

It also quotes the 'Halliburton' statements out of the order in which they were actually said.(around 8:20).

Watching the whole thing, Cheney and Will are talking about the government trying - or not trying - to resolve the situation. Huffington does nothing but try to blame the Bush-Cheney administration for everything.

BTW, your link to "the interview in total" isn't. It's a two minute clip from a 15 minute interview. See the bottom of the Examiner link for the full thing.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


cite all the cases you want, Nikita, but as it pertains to the Gulf Oil fiasco, there's nothing germane to the discussion, what so ever.


And remember, this is the SAME Haliburton that both Clinton and Obama administrations have offered no bid contracts to, so spare us the phony indignation.

You're acting like idiots, seriously. Merely muttering the word " Haliburton " doesn't prove a damn thing ( other than your mindless hatred to anything remotely connected to Cheney or Bush .. ) and it solves nothing. In fact, your delusional partisan jihad only makes matters worse, by taking the focus off of the real crisis. But what the hell does the Left care, huh?

You never want to let a good crisis go to waste.....






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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:46 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer, I wasn't aware it was only two minutes of the interview, thanks, I'll go back and look. I looked for it on YouTube because I can't post videos from an article (if anyone knows how, I'd love to learn!), and thought that was all of it.

I'm glad to hear Liz derided the ad campaign, I definitely give her points for that, and it's a legitimate criticism of the government that they didn't do enough, fast enough, and still aren't.

Looks like I picked a bad article; mea culpa. I have definitely got preconceptions of what to expect from Liz, and I'm accustomed to her lying, so I just thought it was another example. Thanx for correcting me.

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You're acting like idiots, seriously. Merely muttering the word " Haliburton " doesn't prove a damn thing ( other than your mindless hatred to anything remotely connected to Cheney or Bush .. ) and it solves nothing. In fact, your delusional partisan jihad only makes matters worse, by taking the focus off of the real crisis. But what the hell does the Left care, huh?
Ahhh, civil as ever. Notice Geezer is capable of arguing like someone with a brain, and made some good points I missed. But you've just gotta be you...

Nobody's taking the focus off the real crisis--oops, I guess I mean I'M not, because nobody else is putting up information on what's happening in the Gulf. I saw all your pertinent () posts on the matter, yes indeed.

The fact I was trying to point out was that Cheney grabbed onto the "defrauded the American people" and said it wasn't true...which is a lie, period.

Of course I know Huffington is biased as hell...she ran for office here in CA, thank gawd we rejected her. But she, like PN, is obnoxious but sometimes has a good point, and what she said about cronyism and ineptitude IS what eventually let all this horror happen, and that was fed hugely by the Dumbya administration and their close ties and coziness with Big Oil. That's also a fact.

To point the finger at Obama exclusively isn't honest, but to point the finger at him for not doing enough, fast enough, is quite valid. I'm sick about the way the booms aren't working, and only because people aren't maintaining them (mostly; they're not perfect)...it should be their job not to just send booms down willy-nilly, but make sure they're MAINTAINED...for THAT the government has the manpower and should be using it. Inept.

But as far as "partisan" goes, Crappy little man, you've got it far above me. Showing that Cheney lied blatantly is germane, as it was one of the points I was making...denying it's relevant doesn't change reality.

I hate Halliburton as much as anyone, and hate that they've been given a pass by SEVERAL administrations. I happen to think the things they have done in Iraq and Afghanistan have been especially egregious, and I couldn't believe it when they were given MORE contracts. I abhor that, I'm quite willing to say so, so let's blame all three, shall we, rather than just assuming I give Clinton and Obama a pass.

I didn't mutter "Halliburton", I posted quotations from what appear to me to be reputable sources to refute your claim--tho' there are many, MANY others if you want to look--in order to say clearly that Halliburton is suspected in at the very least contributing to the disaster. Given the number of times cementing has been responsible for a disaster of just this sort, it's relevant.

Now, see? That's how people with at least two brain cells to rub together debate--throwing around "mindless hatred" and "delusional partisan jihad"--the former of which you are FAR more full of, the latter of which doesn't even make sense.

You are hopeless. Delusional, I am not: From what you write, appears you have the greater claim to that title...it's a shame you haven't got one fifth of Geezer's (or anyone else's!) ability to be coherent. The sum total of your ability to "communicate" is below.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bloody website ('scuze me, Haken, but it's frustrating!)

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:48 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Liz Cheney reminds me of that old joke,

Why did God invent alcohol?

So ugly women could get laid too!

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That IS evil, and not even true in my opinion. She's not ugly, whatever else I may think of her. She's just Daddy's puppy, which loses her my respect.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The "muttering Haliburton" point I brought up was directed at Arianna, and not you. If you note in her comments, all she really did was introduce the fact that Haliburton poured the cement for the well head. That's it! She offers no proof or hint of a suggestion that it was shoddy workmanship on Haliburton's part, or that it was because of some lax regulations from the Bush / Cheney days that had any direct connection w/ the accident. She ( like you ) merely brings up Haliburton as a means to demagogue them along w/ Bush and Cheney. Haliburton could be the single most evil collection of humans ever, but it still isn't relevant to THIS event. It's beyond pointless, and because she offers zero link between any points she's trying to make, it's clear the sole intent is to simply muck rake and play the dirtiest of partisan games, in the midst of our worst " man made " disaster.

" And remember,I did this with OUT anger "








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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

You're acting like idiots, seriously. Merely muttering the word " Haliburton " doesn't prove a damn thing ( other than your mindless hatred to anything remotely connected to Cheney or Bush .. ) and it solves nothing. In fact, your delusional partisan jihad only makes matters worse, by taking the focus off of the real crisis. But what the hell does the Left care, huh?



Speaking of "partisan jihad"...

Well, see my signature...




Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:04 PM

BYTEMITE


Niki: Here's politifact's analysis, as a follow-up.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/09/arianna-huf
fington/halliburton-kbr-and-iraq-war-contracting-history-s
/

The only thing that made them rank her as half right is that it's not determined yet whether there was actual fraud on Halliburton's part, or if it was merely gross inefficiency and a willingness for the government to pay out.

PN can stay here, if Halliburton stays over in Dubai. That seems fair.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:....


And the streak continues. Lacking in any coherent or relevant input to the thread, what so ever.

Be proud.






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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:13 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well DONE Raptor. Seriously, very cogent and civil, I appreciate it. It makes it possible to communicate, and that's great.

I agree that's all she does. But if you watched the video, it was a pretty heated exchange and there wasn't much time for counter-point. I nonetheless agree that she didn't back it up; but neither did anyone else. At the same time I hold fast to my opinion that bringing up Halliburton was definitely pertinent...would you really feel the same if it turns out their cementing caused, or even contributed to, the disaster? Because there is a lot of evidence suggesting it MIGHT have contributed, as well as a number of things. If they are coming under scrutiny for their cementing, and the cementing (and Halliburton's doing of it) has been held accountable for other ocean well disasters, how are they not relevant?

If you think Dumbya/Cheney "deregulation" of Big Oil didn't exist, or wasn't part of the mentality that allowed MMS to become such a disaster, encouraged them to cut Big Oil as much slack as humanly possible, and that Cheney didn't have at least one secret meeting with the oil tycoons which many suspect had to do with things we'll never know, then your "partisan jihad" is far worse than mine.

Huff IS biased, terribly so. But what she said, for whatever reasons, had a lot of validity to it. There is either valid question or serious proof of everything she cited. Certainly neither Liz nor anyone else backed up THEIR points with facts and figures that I saw so as to offer proof, so why just Huffington? If you can say that any of them did back up with specifics, we have a debate; I maintain that Cheney plays just as good as the best/worst of them, and was doing exactly the same thing Huff was. They're both political animals.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As to the other posts. You should expect no different from Mike by now, surely...nonetheless he has a point. Your ranting and raving obscenities is far closer to a "jihad" than what you accuse me of.

And Byte made very coherent points--I will read the Politifact article, given what Geezer posted, I'd like to see more. But right now I'm off to dinner...


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:34 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


" big oil " was every bit in bed w/ this current administration as it was the last. Maybe more so. But even that is a separate issue as to the specific events which lead up to April 20, 2010.

What Arianna and her ilk do is merely poisoning the well of discussion, and the consequences be damned. She may be worse than a true believer in the Leftist cause, because she is in it for her self, her magazine. What ever she can do to fan the flames of public discord, is good business for her.

When AH makes false claims, as she did, why would LIz or anyone else feel the need to take up precious , limited air time to respond to such frivolous nonsense ? You're falling for the very trap that AH is laying. Hook - line - and sinker -
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What Arianna and her ilk do is merely poisoning the well of discussion, and the consequences be damned. She may be worse than a true believer in the Leftist cause, because she is in it for her self, her magazine. What ever she can do to fan the flames of public discord, is good business for her.

When AH makes false claims, as she did, why would LIz or anyone else feel the need to take up precious , limited air time to respond to such frivolous nonsense ? You're falling for the very trap that AH is laying. Hook - line - and sinker -




How does that differ in any way from what you've been doing here, as far as the President and his administration's response to the oil spill? You've tried to poison the well, consequences be damned. You're in it purely to fan the flames of public discord, you're making false claims... Why should anyone respond to YOUR frivolous nonsense?

And then you go on outraged rants at anyone who tries to actually discuss the issue with you.

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Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:42 PM

BYTEMITE


Ariana's claims weren't exactly false or frivolous, but I do agree that this administration is very much in the pocket of the oil companies.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I've made no false claims, which is the crux of your argument.

I've only expressed anger and frustration, and rightfully so, at the worthless excuse of a response that this Federal Gov't has provided. Same as James Carville, same as Bobby Jindal.

Kwickie, your words, as well as those of the President, Dir. of Homeland Security, etc... are utterly meaningless and tragically laughable. And yet, y'all keep on talking. Why ?

All I have to do is point to the dead wetlands of Louisiana as my proof. YOU HAVE NOTHING!

Hell, you even were critical of the response a while back, or had you forgotten, in all your blind partisan jihadist furor ?

Of course you have. It's what you do. It's who you are.








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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 2:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've made no false claims, which is the crux of your argument.

I've only expressed anger and frustration, and rightfully so, at the worthless excuse of a response that this Federal Gov't has provided. Same as James Carville, same as Bobby Jindal.

Kwickie, your words, as well as those of the President, Dir. of Homeland Security, etc... are utterly meaningless and tragically laughable. And yet, y'all keep on talking. Why ?

All I have to do is point to the dead wetlands of Louisiana as my proof. YOU HAVE NOTHING!

Hell, you even were critical of the response a while back, or had you forgotten, in all your blind partisan jihadist furor ?

Of course you have. It's what you do. It's who you are.





Have you forgotten already that you claimed that the President had done "NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL" as the federal government's response to the spill?

All I have to do is show one Coast Guard boat working the spill to prove you a liar, which I've done repeatedly.

I can also point to Bobby Jindal's own words, in thanking the President for all he's done, and asking him to do more.

I've been critical of the response, because as I pointed out, in a disaster this big, there is no such thing as "enough" of a response. What you can't get through your thick skull is that you NEVER were critical of the response to Katrina, insisting that the government had done everything perfectly.

You made false claims then, and you're making them now. You claim that nobody in the federal government has done one single thing; all I need do is show ONE person doing ONE thing, cleaning ONE bird, and I've made a liar of you. And I have. Hence your false claims. You've been lying for weeks. Hell, for years, really. It's all you've got; it's what you are.




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Yeah, Frem. You miserable piece of shit.
" Daddy, did you plug the hole yet ? "
C'mere, Malia...

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Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
...oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 2:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


This is far bigger than Katrina. More than homes and structures are being destroyed here, an entire ecosystem.

But you love Barry so much, you'll let that slide.

It's plain to see.

ONE Coast Guard Boat. Yeah. That'll do the job. Did absolutely nothing to stop the oil, did it ? And Jindal, the politician, is going to take what help where and when he can. He thanked Obama only AFTER weeks of venting frustration that nothing was being done. And nothing was being done.

Of course you don't believe me, but would you beleve those who are on the front line of this " man made disaster " ?

probably not, but here ya go anyway.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7566519/20061727




Ever been to Louisiana ? Ever been to the Gulf coast ?








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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is far bigger than Katrina. More than homes and structures are being destroyed here, an entire ecosystem.

But you love Barry so much, you'll let that slide.

It's plain to see.



Then you're not only stupid, but blind as well.

I've let no one "slide".

I've said REPEATEDLY - and you've been too fucking dim, either being intentionally obtuse or just pig-headedly ignorant, to get it - that there hasn't been enough done, that more needs to be done, that there's no such thing as ENOUGH. Still can't figure out why that concept is so hard for you to get.

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ONE Coast Guard Boat. Yeah. That'll do the job. Did absolutely nothing to stop the oil, did it ? And Jindal, the politician, is going to take what help where and when he can. He thanked Obama only AFTER weeks of venting frustration that nothing was being done. And nothing was being done.


Kee-rist, but you're a moron. YOU said "NOTHING" was being done. Not one thing. *I* said that in order to prove you 100% wrong, all I had to show was one single boat, or one worker cleaning one bird, and that would show that SOMETHING was being done. Voila! - you're wrong. Dead wrong. As always.

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Ever been to Louisiana ? Ever been to the Gulf coast ?



Many times. A friend of mine has - or rather, HAD - a place on Galveston Island, until Hurricane Ike. Nice little place, last house before the beach, on the last road before a national wildlife preserve. His house was ground zero of where the worst of Ike came ashore. The entire neighborhood was scoured off the map. Nothing was left of his home but a concrete pad and a few snapped-off pilings. He'd gotten out ahead of the storm. I drove down there myself in 2005 and evacuated his ass out of there in the face of Rita coming ashore, and got myself damn near stranded in the process. It took me 15 hours to drive the 180 miles back home, overheating my car in the 105º heat and bumper-to-bumper traffic, blowing the headgasket, and trashing the engine in the process. But I made it out, and so did he, and I build engines for shits and giggles, so that was no problem for me.

So yeah, I've spent a little time on the Gulf Coast. I've got a sister-in-law and two nieces living in Corpus Christi right now, too. They're HOPING they aren't going to get deluged with oil and tarballs, and they're spending their vacation this summer in Pensacola, where they've already volunteered to help in whatever way they can.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:37 To Fremdfirma:
Yeah, Frem. You miserable piece of shit.
" Daddy, did you plug the hole yet ? "
C'mere, Malia...

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
...oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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....and you've been to fucking dim

- Kwickie




Crassic!








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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 3:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

....and you've been to fucking dim

- Kwickie




Crassic!





Hey, that's one in a row for you!

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No comment on Plaquemine Parish President, Billy Nungesser, or anything he had to say.... huh?

No.

Didn't think so.






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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


No comment on the fact that I just proved you were making false claims? No?

Didn't think so.

It figures.


I don't even waste my time on your stupid video clips; they're as useless as Wulfie's, and even less entertaining. And they're the usual partisan bullshit that is your trademark, so why bother?

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:37 To Fremdfirma:
Yeah, Frem. You miserable piece of shit.
" Daddy, did you plug the hole yet ? "
C'mere, Malia...

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
...oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Too much a coward to even bother w/ the facts, are you ?

Figures.

And before you whine like a little bitty bitch and mutter about " rap facts ", stick it. This is what's really going on. What's actually happened in the Gulf.

So, show us what a miserable loser you are, show us all how you'll ignore anything and everything , just as long as you don't have to face up to - reality.

There's nothing " partisan " about pelicans covered in oil...... except in YOUR pathetic world.






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Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Get a room, you two. I get sick of your back-and-forth. JMHO.

To start from where I left off:

Yes, this administration is in the pocket of Big Oil. We’d have to go back before Daddy to find one that wasn’t—or maybe back to the day when big oil BECAME Big Oil. To say they’re MORE in the pocket is false, however...nobody, except maybe Daddy (and I’m not looking up facts on that) was moreso. They de-regulated their little socks off, had secret/not-so-secret meetings with them...I could look up all the facts to prove my point, but I just got up and I’m blurry...aside from the fact you have no interest in the truth. THAT is a fact.

What Arianna did poisons the well of “discussion”---but it was never about discussion, those things aren’t, it was about each side stating it’s talking points and yelling at each other. If you can actually say Liz Cheney hasn’t done her own fair share of “poisoning” wells of ANY discussion, you’re blind. That I will hunt up facts to support if you insist, but I won’t spend much time on it, because anyone who’s bothered to listen has heard her express lies and obvious twisting of the facts. She is HER Daddy’s attack dog, and everyone knows it. She’s unreasonable at least half the time, and says whatever is necessary to protect Darth.
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Ariana merely interjects Haliburton into the discussion w/ out a wit of evidence to support her claim.
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She offers no proof or hint of a suggestion that it was shoddy workmanship on Haliburton's part, or that it was because of some lax regulations from the Bush / Cheney days that had any direct connection w/ the accident.
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because she offers zero link between any points she's trying to make
You can’t back up NOW with “why should anyone...”—you stated categorically THREE TIMES that Huff gave no FACTS to back up her points. If that’s valid, then it’s equally valid to say Liz should have backed up HER points, not just said she lived on another planet and that she lied. She called Huff a liar, but it WAS NOT A LIE. Even Politifact concluded that...and I dispute their conclusion that Halliburton defrauded the American people by ineptness; there is far too much proof KBR and Halliburton before them have played fast and loose with their responsibilities. I can look that one up too, if the investigations I posted aren’t enough.

Given you haven’t ranted at ME this time around, I’ll ignore Mike’s comment on that. But you DO state things again and again that are untrue, that we then prove are untrue, which you continue to insist ARE true. You have made false claims. The point about Huff lying is one; that they were given an award was two, but I’ll ignore that, because they WERE slated to get one. The government loses points for not being aware of what MMS was doing—probably no more than Dumbya. But now that they know, they’ve DISBANDED MMS, and given they WERE cited, why were they given the permit UNDER BUSH?
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There's been nothing showing that the cement had , in any way, any cause or effect to the blow out.
A semi-false statement. There ARE investigations going on into that, there IS suspicion the cementing contributed, and it HAS caused other blowouts of a similar type. We won’t know until the “investigation” is complete, and probably not then, but you cannot say there is no evidence, because there’s evidence in other cases, it happened right after they cemented, and it could well have contributed to the blowout. That’s a categorical statement you cannot back up.

Mike is correct in that you do exactly the same as you accuse Huff of doing: You state things which are intended to inflame. You present no facts to back them up. I your case, you even refuse to debate the facts, head straight into personal attacks, and deliberately ignore facts which disprove your claims. There IS no difference, and yes, your “jihad” is far worse than anyone else’s, with a couple of exceptions, because you’re willing to ignore anything to the contrary, make absurd, over-the-top statements, and usually go directly into personal attacks. The only difference is Arianna doesn’t rely on obscenities and personal attacks like you do.

To call what Mike wrote
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utterly meaningless and tragically laughable
is a prime example—actually that’s virtually what Liz did, with nothing to back her statements up. Tho’ it’s bringing up the past, you DID say the government had done “nothing at all”, which is not true, and pointing to the wetlands is irrelevant—they’d be screwed up no matter WHAT the government did, it’s humanly impossible to stop that oil. Yes, they could have done more; yes, they could have done it faster; and yes, the booms are something to make us “feel good” and for the most part are doing no good at all because they’re not being maintained. But “nothing” is erroneous, yet you continue to hurl it. I understand your anger and frustration, maybe more than anyone else here because I knew what was coming, but I haven’t gotten obscene about it, and I try to check my facts and make my points without lashing out all over the friggin’ place.

That aside, tho’, you have made false claims in this thread alone, and many, many more. Bobby Jindal HAS thanked the President and asked for MORE help, which means he’s getting help now. That is a fact. You claim we’re “letting Barry slide”, which is bullshit—much has been posted on both sides about the anger and frustration we all feel. To dismiss Katrina, if you did indeed have nothing to say on that, is disingenuous in the extreme. Katrina was a huge disaster, Bush failed just as much as Obama has to this point, and that’s relevant. You can’t attack one and dismiss the other; that IS letting Dumbya slide.

I dismiss Nungesser to a point because he’s out of control, I suspect wants publicity (for which I don’t blame him; they need just as much publicity as possible to keep this in the eye of the media) and he’s a politician, too, so just like Huff, Liz, Jindal and the rest of them, will make hay while he can. I grant his frustration and anger is justified, as is everyone’s, but that doesn’t make his statements something you can rely on. I could put up tons of stuff from others in the Gulf who are also grateful for what’s being done, and hopefully a LOT more will be.

The concept of you hanging onto your point about “nothing” being done while everyone HERE has said not enough is being done is futile. You keep trying to justify it, but it’s not the least bit valid. One Coast Guard boat isn’t the point...you said you could point to the wetlands to show “nothing” is being done; Mike countered. You dismissed it; if you want to debate facts, do so by pointing out REALITY, not consistently defending your erroneous statement.
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Too much a coward to even bother w/ the facts, are you ?
is an amazing statement coming from you. YOU’RE the one who won’t give an inch, no matter the facts, and ignores videos countering your points. To then call Mike a coward because he doesn’t take the time to watch what YOU put up is, to say the least, unreasonable. You don’t even bother to READ OR WATCH videos I have put up, you go right on insisting on things which aren’t true. Equally pertinent to you and not Mike is
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So, show us what a miserable loser you are, show us all how you'll ignore anything and everything , just as long as you don't have to face up to - reality.
yet you have no trouble hurling it.

That’s my response. It was nice to get one post that made sense and could be discussed, but you both enjoy going at each other too much and making absurd statements and personal attacks for any discussion to take place. Huff has NOTHING on you, Raptor, you’re far worse than she in everything you accuse her of.

And I'm relatively sure you won't read this but will just throw out an attack and reiterate what you keep saying...which will then show YOU are a coward, if you do.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

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