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Palin Emerges With Even More Clout

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Friday, November 5, 2010 9:44 AM

A one-women wrecking crew against Democrats she is!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/03/earlyshow/main7017707.shtml?
tag=pop

I love how the Libs here are saying that the Tea Party only won a few elections!

Seven Senators and dozens of House Reps is an AMAZING result for their FIRST national election...a movement still in its' infancy.

Yeah, you Libs better fear your Grim Reaper....the name is Palin, Sarah Palin.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 10:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

More like a one-woman WRECKED crew! She's making money hand over fist, which is her "agenda". She could do a great job of "wrecking" the Republican Party, but what she'd replace it with isn't what the American people would want.

She loves the attention, fer shore, but she doesn't really want the job...too much work. She couldn't handle being Governor and she's doing so great as speaker and pundit, she's a boon in that position, a bane as candidate.

I assume you didn't see these in the last couple of weeks:

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Republicans Out to 'Kneecap' Sarah Palin?

A lot of these guys don't want Palin as the nominee because they fear that if she is the nominee, that means doom for them in 2012," Barr said.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/vote-2010-election-republicans-kneecap-sarah-
palin-post/story?id=12024136

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Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin

Top Republicans in Washington and in the national GOP establishment say the 2010 campaign highlighted an urgent task that they will begin in earnest as soon as the elections are over: Stop Sarah Palin.

Interviews with advisers to the main 2012 presidential contenders and with other veteran Republican operatives make clear they see themselves on a common, if uncoordinated, mission of halting the momentum and credibility Palin gained with conservative activists by plunging so aggressively into this year’s midterm campaigns.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44449.html#ixzz14RIH2kiw

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GOP Establishment Scrambling for Alternatives to Palin in 2012

“There is a determined, focused establishment effort … to find a candidate we can coalesce around who can beat Sarah Palin,” said one prominent and longtime Washington Republican. “We believe she could get the nomination, but Barack Obama would crush her.”

. . . .

Few, if any, Republican officials want to challenge Palin’s credentials in public, but most speak dismissively and condescendingly about her in private. They think she would kill Republican chances with independents and conservative Democrats frustrated with Obama’s expansive agenda.

http://patterico.com/2010/11/01/gop-establishment-scrambling-for-alter
natives-to-palin-in-2012/comment-page-7/

I may not like them, but they're not stupid. I DO hope Palin runs, and gets the nomination, 'cuz it'll be wonderful for the Dems...he following adores her, but the American public does not. This was October 10th:

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Poll: Only 22% Of Americans View Sarah Palin Favorably

Nearly half the country does not like Sarah Palin, according to a new CBS poll. Something, they point out, could be a problem should she decide to run for president.
Palin is viewed favorably by just 22 percent of Americans, according to the poll – including less than half (44 percent) of Republicans. Twenty-one percent of independents and 6 percent of Democrats view her favorably.

Forty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of Palin. That includes 73 percent of Democrats, 44 percent of independents and 22 percent of Republicans.

Twenty-nine percent said they are undecided or not sure how they feel about Palin, including about one in three Republicans and independents.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-only-22-of-americans-view-sarah-pa
lin-favorably/

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67 percent Americans doubt Palin's presidential qualifications, finds poll

A new poll has found that most voters in the United States continue to hold negative views of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, and doubt that she has the qualifications to be a President.

According to the Washington Post-ABC News poll, 54 percent voters said that they have unfavorable impressions of Palin, with more than twice as many holding "strongly unfavorable" as holding "strongly favorable" ones.

It also revealed that 67 percent voters think that the former Republican Vice-Presidential nominee is not qualified to hold the President's office.

Even 46 percent of those who said that they voted for the McCain-Palin ticket in 2008 now see Palin as unqualified for the presidency.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20101031/888/twl-67-percent-americans-dou
bt-palin-s-p.html

Yeah, she's got clout, especially with her followers. I hope she uses that clout to get the nomination, that would be fantastic!

If she could turn out her base, she could win the nomination just like O'Donnell and Angle did; but she'd lose even more handily than they did. So please, DO run her! She'd probably easily win the nomination, which is GREAT.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, November 5, 2010 10:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW

You're hopelessly pathetic and clueless...

Palin endorsed 43 candidates for House...30 won.

She endorsed 12 candidates for Senate (mostly blue states)....7 won.

Next election she'll help us take back the Senate and the White House.

She will not be running for President and no one's talking about her running for President except you.....that shows just how much you truly fear her. Ponder your inner fears and delusions this weekend my brave-faced friend.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 1:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Well, PALIN is talking about running. So in a sense, I guess you're right when you say "no one's talking about her running", since she's pretty much a nobody.

Her approval/disapproval numbers are worse than Obama's.

We would LOVE for that idiot to run in 2012. PLEASE put her up as the nominee!

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

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I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 1:10 PM

WHOZIT

Sarah is now the face of the "Tea Party".....OLBERMANN GOT SHIT CANNED!!

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Friday, November 5, 2010 1:31 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by whozit:
Sarah is now the face of the "Tea Party".....OLBERMANN GOT SHIT CANNED!!

The face of the tea-baggers is a grisly mama bulldog with lipstick?

Tea bags & Butter Face. Great combo.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 1:39 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
3 Senators and dozens of Reps is an AMAZING result for their FIRST national election...a movement less than 2 yeard old!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they all run as Republicans? When someone can explain to me how there is any difference between the Tea Party and the Republicans other than just a name then we can start the discussion.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 5:14 PM

DREAMTROVE

I think Palin does a pretty good job. So has the Tea Party so far. I don't support tossing tea into the ocean, I think that's wasteful spending.

I'm just pointing out that I'm standing right here as Buffy would say, and I don't fit the profile of what the political opposition would like to paint. In fact, I think I'm pretty moderate.

So, sure, republicans say some pretty dumb ass things. So do democrats. Right now, independents are saying a lot of dumb ass things as well. Americans call tech support in India and ask "Can I talk to a real person?" Hell, the President of the United States, who is not, as of the last two years, a moron, said "The Chinese want to poison our children." That's one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say. The only way to make it dumber would be if Biden had said it, he probably would have called them the Japanese.

The fact is that I've heard Obama use a lot of Bushisms as well.

Maybe part of the dialogue America needs to have with itself is about our use of rhetoric and imagery.

Perhaps this is why the US is given people like Magon the perception that we're extremists, because we say things like "You just hate America" when what we really mean is "I have a slight disagreement with you about tax policy on a national level effecting income groups between 55,000 and 175,000." Oh, yeah, damn it.

Ironically, I'm very fond of herbal tea, which I'm sipping as I type this in a very uncle Iroh sort of way. Green tea with ginseng, honey and mandarin orange.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 5:22 PM

DREAMTROVE

EC Gordon

There's been some talk about whether the Tea Party is a sub group of the GOP or an independent movement. When the tea party started, it was the Ron Paul campaign, and he is a republican, but had also run as an independent. He has wanted the movement to be politically neutral, and while he was very successful at this during his own campaign, since then it has tilted to the right.

I think there are two major reasons:

1) FOX news has been promoting the tea party to its viewers like nobody's business for reasons that only Rupert Murdoch knows

2) The liberal media has been demonizing the tea party, discouraging left leaning members from being associated with it.

I would point out to Magonsdaughter if she is listening that our right wing extremist viewpoints that she is so upset about are all coming from News Corp, and Australian corporation, founded by an australian and run by australians. It's not exactly *our* news media.

Jes saying.

Anyway, even so, tea party is a libertarian movement, so it is at the very least a subset of republican. Republican is just conservative in general, and includes fiscal conservatives, wall street typas and authoritarians who are not going to mesh very easily with the tea party.

It remains to be seen which will ideologically win out within the tea party: Its erudite intellectual economic and political theorists or its ranting sign carrying mindless masses.

I think it's a toss up at this point.

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Friday, November 5, 2010 11:03 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Seven Senators and dozens of House Reps is an AMAZING result for their FIRST national election

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they all run as Republicans? When someone can explain to me how there is any difference between the Tea Party and the Republicans other than just a name then we can start the discussion.

They ran as Republicans backed by the Tea Party, but to even get to the mid-term election they first had to defeat RNC or locally chosen establishment Republican candidates. They targeted Republicans they considered too moderate or liberal. For Conservatives it was a thing of beauty to behold, something to almost bring a tear to your eye.

Heading into the Mid-term election there were good candidates and bad candidates. Some ran effective campaigns, and some ran amok and sank. I saw some problems early on, and was one of the first to post here my feelings about Sharron Angle. I wanted Reed to lose of course, actually I wanted badly to see him lose. I wanted to see another Democrat Senate Majority Leader toppled, a similar repeat of when Tom Daschle got the boot. It was a very important and symbolic race to win for Conservatives, and I thought anyone could beat him. Until I saw Angle that is. I posted against her quite harshly here, and blamed the Nevada Tea Party for their disasterous winner. They also under-estimated Reed's inner toughness and political accumen. Then Angle iced the cake of defeat by running a terrible ad that offended and mobilized Hispanics to break for Reed by more than 2 to 1. Mistakes get made, hopefully they'll learn from them all over the country where they lost, and do a better job next time offering better qualified and electable candidates.

I can understand if Liberals have a hard time differentiating the two groups. I see them as something of a control measure to keep Republicans from straying from being the fiscally responsible representatives they're supposed to be. I would wager that if this new crop of Republicans fails to be fiscally responsible or wonders off into petty vendettas instead of the economy, the Tea Party folks will send truckloads of new candidates to the primaries in 2012.

Two African-American Republicans were just elected to the House of Representatives from South Carolina and Florida. For both states, they were their first African-Americans elected to Congress since the Civil War Reconstruction era in the 1870's. They both appeared last night on Greta Van Susteren. Representatives-elect Alan West from Florida and his new So. Carolina colleague both gave praise and credit to the Tea Party. They both spoke eloquently and clearly about fiscal matters, and they both rejected any notion of racism within the Tea Party. They both thanked the Tea Party for helping to get them elected. There are many other similar stories all over the country, including So Carolina's new Republican Governor Nikki Haley, the first female Governor ever in that state.

Then there's Marco Rubio who was elected Senator from Florida. His story is pure American Dream. His storied career in the Florida Legislature, rising to Speaker, and then launching a US Senate run against a once-popular Governor. He started off down about 20 points to Crist, but with Tea Party backing he closed the gap, and ultimately Crist quit the Republican Party and ran as an Independent. Rubio crushed both Crist and the Democrat Meek combined. Rubio is an Hispanic-American phenomenon, and has amazing future polical potential. He will be on a National ticket someday. And the first female Governor elected from New Mexico, another accomplished Hispanic-American. These are stunning Republican minority and female wins, and give great hope to Conservatives for more future political success.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:24 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
EC Gordon

There's been some talk about whether the Tea Party is a sub group of the GOP or an independent movement. When the tea party started, it was the Ron Paul campaign, and he is a republican, but had also run as an independent. He has wanted the movement to be politically neutral, and while he was very successful at this during his own campaign, since then it has tilted to the right.

I think there are two major reasons:

1) FOX news has been promoting the tea party to its viewers like nobody's business for reasons that only Rupert Murdoch knows

2) The liberal media has been demonizing the tea party, discouraging left leaning members from being associated with it.

I would point out to Magonsdaughter if she is listening that our right wing extremist viewpoints that she is so upset about are all coming from News Corp, and Australian corporation, founded by an australian and run by australians. It's not exactly *our* news media.

Jes saying.

Anyway, even so, tea party is a libertarian movement, so it is at the very least a subset of republican. Republican is just conservative in general, and includes fiscal conservatives, wall street typas and authoritarians who are not going to mesh very easily with the tea party.

It remains to be seen which will ideologically win out within the tea party: Its erudite intellectual economic and political theorists or its ranting sign carrying mindless masses.

I think it's a toss up at this point.

Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian. How can the movement tilt to the right of Ron Paul? We are talking about Dr. No here, right? I would say it is impossible to move to the right of Paul. The tea party was started to move the GOP back to its roots and evict neo-conservative thought (war is great, nation building, patriot act, etc..) from the party. Paul has always pointed out that he is the true conservative and the party had lost its way. The tea party is demonized by liberal media because they see it as their worst fears come true. ...Conservatives that will actually gut government spending.... Including entitlements and military ...and they don't apoligize for this.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 5:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sarah Palin is far more influential than any of the any on the Left would dare admit.

She reflects a great deal of what many Americans are thinking, and does so in a positive, up beat manner. She's not full of loathing and hatred that is so common w/ candidates and mouth pieces form the Left.

Sarah is what most Americans look up to, and the Left hates her. Leftists adore big government , above all things, and loathe the spirit of individual freedom.

Sarah so embodies the true American spirit, it's like fresh air and sunlight the the fungus that is the Left.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 7:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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no one's talking about her running for President except you.

Are you kidding? Just glance at the internet, listen to the pundits...and if the GOP elite is talking about trying to "kneecap" her and fearful she'll win the nomination, THAT's talking about her running! And yes, Palin herself said ehe'd run if it was "good for the country". I find your statement astonishing.

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Sarah Palin is far more influential than any of the any on the Left would dare admit.

She reflects a great deal of what many Americans are thinking, and does so in a positive, up beat manner. She's not full of loathing and hatred that is so common w/ candidates and mouth pieces form the Left.

Sarah is what most Americans look up to, and the Left hates her. Leftists adore big government , above all things, and loathe the spirit of individual freedom.

Sarah so embodies the true American spirit, it's like fresh air and sunlight the the fungus that is the Left.

My gawd, Raptor, you sound like Wulf in your delusions.

There's no question she's influential; I haven't seen anyone here deny that. But she's influential with HER BASE and a few others, not the entire American public (see above as to THEIR opinion of her).

Reflects what Americans are thinking? Maybe she connects with all the Joe 6-Packs in Wasilla Alaska, but NOT the rest of America. In a poll on 10/28, 39% of the general public has a favorable view of her, 54% an unfavorable. As to qualifications (which are a JOKE), only 27% feel she is qualified, while a whopping 67% think she isn’t. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/10/most_still
_doubt_palins_presid.html Even in Alaska, her numbers are more negative than positive: Thirty-eight percent (38%) say Palin’s views and activities reflect positively on Alaska’s image, but 45% think they reflect negatively on the state. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/11/rasmussen-palins-favorable-ratin
g-now-negative-in-alaska/

To say she is “upbeat” is also amazing. Her speeches have been filled with buzz words to encourage hate. “The GOP’s VP candidate defends her increasingly strident verbal assaults on Barack Obama as legitimate questions about the Democratic presidential candidate.”

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Forty different Catholic, evangelical, mainline Protestant, Jewish and Muslim leaders and scholars came together to release a statement condemning the hate language of Fox News, Sarah Palin, and Newt Gingrich as it relates to the so called Ground Zero mosque, “Fear-mongering and hateful rhetoric only undermine treasured values at the heart of diverse faith traditions and our nation’s highest ideals.”

http://www.politicususa.com/en/palin-hate-speech

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It is quickly becoming very clear Governor Sarah Palin is content with her supporters issuing death threats, making racist comments, and calling the opposition terrorists after several political rallies have promoted and allowed comments like these to be made.”

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1099713/palin_supporting_raci
sm_hate_speech.html?cat=75

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If Sarah Palin wants to be responsible for introducing us to “extraordinary Americans,” I will be the first to applaud her. But she must also accept responsibility for the fact that her words and threats about the ordinary Americans who don’t share her political views have very real consequences, too.

http://tabithahale.com/index.php/2010/04/palin-hate-speech-monger-powe
rless-bumpkin-or-a-breath-of-fresh-air/

Her speeches have been carefully crafted to inspire xenphobia and hatred; obviously you haven't listened to them objectively and have just chosen to live in some fantasy world. It's sad to see you spouting the kind of blind idiocy Wulf is so famous for.

Personally, I think posts like that are deliberately written to offend and trigger; even you can't seriously believe all that.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:45 AM

DREAMTROVE

Kane

What is left and right is very subjective. I think that in many ways you're right, they're probably further from democratic politicians than are neocons.

Another way would be "which has more in common with the progressive left voters?" Which I think Ron Paul and the Tea Party would be over the neocons on a wide range of issues from foreign policy, the debt, patriot act, drug policy, (both recreational and medicinal) and so the progressive left votership who supported candidates like dennis kucinich might switch sides if they saw the neoliberal democrats as more authoritarian and warlike than the libertarian republicans.

There are of course some hitches:

1) Not only has the left media demonized the Tea Party, they completely fair to cover the war, and the left in America seems to have basically forgotten that a war is going on, or that Obama and the neolibs have radically expanded it.

2) The Tea Party is not trying to win them over. This is due to the influence of traditional republicans who use some stupid wedge issues like immigration that cause people who would join to shy away.

I'd be very happy if I heard not another damn word from anyone about Obama's birth certificate. If someone wants to criticize the govt, attack the policies. There's a lot more to go on in that direction, and it will get them a lot further. The most effective critic of the president may be Jon Stewart who takes the approach of "This guy isn't different *enough* from George W. Bush" and even says so to his face.

And I think he's right. The differences between neoliberals and neoconservatives are nominal compared to the differences between the neos in general and the rest of the population.

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