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Accurate Firefly/Serenity Timeline

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Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:00 PM

YINGHUOCHONG2011


I've been working on a Firefly fanfic for a couple of weeks and need some chronology help. Does anyone know where I can find a single, and very accurate, timeline for Firefly/Serenity? It will really help me progress my story if I have accurate events and dates.


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Friday, December 31, 2010 2:04 AM

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Friday, December 31, 2010 5:52 AM

NEEDY

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I posted a similar thread a while back and it has few links there you can use
The most helpful to me were the Verse in Numbers, which Two has made available for download until the QMX site fixes its broken link here:
www.mediafire.com/two (Its in the Maps of the Verse zipped folder)

and there's also
http://test.fireflyrpg.com/

Here's the link to that old thread, it has some good info
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=17&t=44820&m=798153

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Friday, December 31, 2010 6:29 AM

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I love your sig Mutt :)

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Friday, December 31, 2010 6:37 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


THE SIGNAL'S The Firefly Timeline http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/mmx/timeline/view.php
Firefly Timeline by Edgar Governo www.mts.net/~arphaxad/firefly.html

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, January 1, 2011 9:20 AM

YINGHUOCHONG2011


Thank you all so much for leading me to these sites. They've been very helpful and I've progressed two whole chapters in my story because of them. I'll be sure to post the story when I'm finished

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:53 AM

ALMANAC


It's been a while since the original replies in this thread, of course, but I just wanted to thank those of you who took the time to recommend my Firefly Timeline.

I haven't had a chance to update it in a while, I'm afraid, but an expansion that takes in much of the new material to come out in the past year should be up before too long...

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:18 AM

BYTEMITE


The signal's events seem to be right on.

There's only two missing events.

1) When Kaylee came aboard and Bester was fired. This is hard to determine, but likely was early on, after Wash became the pilot and they first started flying.

2) When Jayne came aboard. This is specifically given in series. Our Mrs. Reynolds occurs almost approximately five to six months after the pilot, and in OMR, Mal says that Jayne is "not the man he met a year ago." Jayne came aboard Serenity a month or so after Inara. October 2016-ish.

The specific time frame between the movie and the series is harder to figure out. Some official sources say 2 months, others say six, still others say eight.

Select to view spoiler:


At some point before the movie, Wash agrees to have a baby with Zoe, as Zoe is pregnant in a comic book after the events of the movie.


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Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:47 AM

BYTEMITE


Checking out yours so far. So far, so good.

There are some ages for the crew given on the Serenity Blue Ray, just so you can confirm and update.

I pulled this data from the Serenity Blue Ray when I did an assessment of the crew's Chinese horoscope. The only birthyears that are unknown for certain are Book and Mal, Book because his file is confidential and Mal because his records may be falsified. When I say "no canon birthdate given," if it is not Book or Mal, then the birthyear is correct but the month and day are speculated.

Here you go: http://www.fireflyfans.net/showblog.asp?b=8933

The Alliance definitely is American and Chinese, but don't forget that it has adopted government ideas from England: such as a parliament, a King of Londinium, and there are people on Persephone who wear sashes to indicate knighthood.


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Thursday, February 3, 2011 1:19 PM

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I don't know about Jayne's date that you give. I always thought that Mal was just playing, adding to the situation when he says "You are not the man I met a year ago", I never took it as a literal date for Jayne's entrance into the crew. I guess it could be but I always thought Mal was playin, making the situation funnier.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 1:48 PM

BYTEMITE


It's a very Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid moment. The two snarking sarcastically at each other, ignoring the raiding party come to kill them.

That's why I think the line really is directed at Jayne, they're not acting for the raider's benefit anymore, they're joking with each other, so there's no reason for Mal to not use the amount of time he's actually known Jayne.

But, yeah, this isn't concrete by any means, though I do think it's at least a reasonable conclusion.

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Saturday, April 9, 2011 1:22 PM

ALMANAC


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Checking out yours so far. So far, so good.

There are some ages for the crew given on the Serenity Blu-Ray, just so you can confirm and update.


I've heard about that database, but since I still don't have the set (or the means to play it), I would need some helpful Browncoat to screencap the biographical screens and either post them or email them to me before I could update the Firefly Timeline with that information.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:02 AM

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Sorry that I have been away for awhile. I did not see your thread until now.

There is no exact and accurate date in the Verse except one - a scheduled arrival date in Our Mrs. Reynolds.

Other dates are derived from various sources, of which many conflict with each other, some are patently false (for different reasons), and many have different amount of weight affixed to them. For instance, if you consider canon the date at the beginning of Pilot Serenity to apply to the original script and originally shot scenes, or to the re-scripted scenes, later shot and fit into the Pilot which was never aired until the Series was already canceled - because those dates are at least 7 weeks apart.

Anyhow, some timeline discussion and the resulting dates, to be used as your view fits, are in some threads here.
A list of them with links is in the Blue Sun Room forum, in a thread called Writer's Resource Package.
That post also includes a couple links to threads about The Map of the Verse, and some Travel and Navigational data, in case those are helpful.
I'm told these threads are used as reference by some writers of fanfic.
If you have further questions, post.
Of course, you may be far beyond that now.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:50 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm sad because Qmx took down their white papers for the Verse by Numbers. For some reason I appear to be too dumb to save a copy.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:06 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm sad because Qmx took down their white papers for the Verse by Numbers. For some reason I appear to be too dumb to save a copy.

I know where you can get a copy. Simply download 'Maps of the Verse.zip' at www.mediafire.com/two

There are several maps in the zip file: The Verse In Numbers, Version 1.1, by J. Chris Bourdier ; Astrogation Reference Charts of the Verse, Version 1.3, by William T. Pace ; Intersystem Distance Calculator.

The Firefly timeline starts on page 5 of The Verse In Numbers. If that is all you want then QMx download for only that is http://store.qmxonline.com/assets/images/serenity/atlasoftheverse/the_
verse_in_numbers_v11.pdf


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:26 AM

BYTEMITE


o.o

*swipe*

*leaves thank you note in place*

EDIT: Oh. I have to make an account.

:( Oh well.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:47 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Firefly timeline starts on page 5 of The Verse In Numbers. If that is all you want then QMx download for only that is http://store.qmxonline.com/assets/images/serenity/atlasoftheverse/the_
verse_in_numbers_v11.pdf


And I don't think you need an account at www.mediafire.com Maybe mediafire is campaigning for more free signups. But you can bypass all that nonsense, I think, by going directly to www.mediafire.com/?4udzvi035v6dx2e to get Maps-of-the-Verse.zip

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:00 AM

BYTEMITE


Okay, that worked. :)

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Monday, September 19, 2011 7:19 AM

ALMANAC


To be honest, I'm not terribly fond of the Quantum Mechanix approach to the 'verse, which is why I haven't included any information from their products in my own Firefly Timeline.

They seem very intent on a "Hard SF" interpretation of the franchise, which seems so far removed from the focus of the series as aired and so fundamentally at odds with how Joss Whedon operates that I don't feel like it makes sense to go in that direction.

It sort of reminds me of tech-minded Star Trek fans, who get so obsessed with starship registry numbers and warp formulae that they can't relax and enjoy the actual substance of the show...

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Monday, September 19, 2011 8:45 AM

BYTEMITE


They worked with Joss though, I thought?

No reason why Joss can't give a shrug and a "sure why not" if someone figures out how his soft sci-fi could be hard science. So long as they don't break any of the aspects that Joss does want, like "No FTL" it seems harmless to me.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:51 AM

ALMANAC


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
They worked with Joss though, I thought?



Well, "worked with" is a relative term. The fact that Whedon was willing to sign off on something like this (if he even did so directly, as opposed to someone else at Mutant Enemy) could be an even stronger indicator that he/they don't care and aren't thinking about this stuff.

I'd be more okay with a certain interpretation of the 'verse and its geography (even one I don't agree with) if they didn't just make up a bunch of stuff themselves--planet names, that sort of thing. If the majority of your work involves a bunch of places which were never referenced in any way in the actual series or movie, why am I going to think of the two as related?

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No reason why Joss can't give a shrug and a "sure why not" if someone figures out how his soft sci-fi could be hard science. So long as they don't break any of the aspects that Joss does want, like "No FTL" it seems harmless to me.


I suppose, but (to go back to my previous franchise example) it's sort of like trying to figure out how a Hogwarts wizard would fit in the Star Trek universe--you could do it, and it is harmless, but eventually, you're just doing your own thing far away from the original authorial intent.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:59 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, according to a line in OMR, there are supposedly over 70 worlds in the verse and to create a COMPLETE map of the verse they had to pad things out somehow. Often they actually used fan-invented worlds and names, which I thought was a nice touch.

And I think there's probably enough variation in names and descriptions that someone could easily find what they want if they were going to write a story, so I do kind of treat the QMx map and atlases as canon.

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Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:11 AM

M52NICKERSON

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I agree with Bytemite here. It is not like the information they added really changes anything. So I don't see how it is moving away from Joss original intent.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:19 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


I would also have to reinforce that the work by QMx qualifies as canon.
They have worked with a number of people from the Firefly and BDM Serenity creative teams* to produce the work that they have.
In a world where Joss has made a number of canon timeline errors, I think it only helps for someone to have taken the available info and reconcile it in the best way possible.
The QMx Atlas is the best use of minimal info from a rushed, short-run TV series and a movie modified from the TV show to (attempt to) achieve greater audience appeal.

If anyone is willing to attempt to reconcile the gross timeline errors between Firefly, BDM Serenity and Shepherd's Tale; use of the QMx work should only bring a little order to a badly muddled state of canonicity.

Mike

* Geoffrey Mandel, Timothy Earls, Carey Meyer, Barry Chusid

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Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:47 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


I generally discount the 8 months stated by Mal when he is yelling a Simon. He could have meant 18 months, or could have been just going back to an event 8 months ago. People make say the wrong think all the time, especially when made and manhandling a doctor.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:07 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I generally discount the 8 months stated by Mal when he is yelling a Simon. He could have meant 18 months, or could have been just going back to an event 8 months ago. People make say the wrong think all the time, especially when made and manhandling a doctor.



Not just that; Joss sent out a memo, quoted in the Serenity Companion volume, describing the world of 2507.
Except, oops, he meant 2517 or 2518.
Joss is self-admittedly clueless about science and firearms.
Doesn't mean he isn't a wonderful storyteller or aces dialog guy,
but it does impact his science fictional world building skills.

Some points are fan-nitpicking, but sometimes the errors can become glaring enough to effect whole plotlines.

Hey, I wouldn't have built this,
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541
if I hadn't been MORE drawn in by the characters, the dialog,
and the overall construct of the 'verse;
moreso than the science and timeline errors.

Mike

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Friday, September 23, 2011 9:09 AM

ALMANAC


My responses below will probably come across as rather harsh, for which I apologise.

Keep in mind as you're reading that I'm only speaking here from the POV of someone putting together an ongoing timeline for the franchise--with new material being added as new official stories come out--and that has nothing to do with fan activity in general, which is (of course) awesome. :)

(I'm a Browncoat, too, after all...why would I ever have a problem with that? ;))

Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Well, according to a line in OMR, there are supposedly over 70 worlds in the verse


Well, a line from a deleted scene, but I hear what you're saying. I don't doubt the validity of that line, despite the scene's deleted status.

Quote:

and to create a COMPLETE map of the verse they had to pad things out somehow.

I prefer to have the unnamed places remain unnamed, to keep things open for any future stories being told by Joss Whedon and Company (who seem to be concentrating on doing so in comics, for the most part). The veracity of something like the Atlas falls apart as soon as one or more stories come out with places that don't fit with that interpretation.

Quote:

Often they actually used fan-invented worlds and names, which I thought was a nice touch.

That actually makes me less inclined to think of those names as being in any way canonical.

Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
I would also have to reinforce that the work by QMx qualifies as canon.
They have worked with a number of people from the Firefly and BDM Serenity creative teams* to produce the work that they have.


I know who was involved in putting that stuff together, and it's obviously licenced and therefore "official" in that sense, but...

Okay, let me put it this way. Something like a Star Trek technical manual is official and licenced and sometimes co-authored by people who worked on the series, but that doesn't stop a series from contradicting it when it wants to. The actual show writers aren't going to be thinking of it as too important, so that information is at a distance from that universe as the writers themselves perceive it.

To put it another way, I'm never going to include anything from Browncoats: Redemption into the timeline either, despite the number of people from the series who contributed in some way, because that still doesn't make it canonical.

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In a world where Joss has made a number of canon timeline errors, I think it only helps for someone to have taken the available info and reconcile it in the best way possible.

...

If anyone is willing to attempt to reconcile the gross timeline errors between Firefly, BDM Serenity and Shepherd's Tale; use of the QMx work should only bring a little order to a badly muddled state of canonicity.


I created the Firefly Timeline, so I'm hardly going to argue with you there. ;)

Having said that, the QMx work is way, way down my list of both canonicity and priority. If you look at my list of sources on the timeline itself, you'll get a sense of my own "hierarchy of canon," which begins with the stories themselves and extends downward through other background material.

Once I get through all the information from the fiction which has been released, as well as deleted scenes, shooting scripts, the movie novelisation by Keith R.A. DeCandido, and the Serenity RPG (which I haven't incorporated yet at all)...perhaps then I would start looking at stuff like the Atlas or the 'Verse in Numbers, or something like a prop from the movie whose details aren't visible in the movie itself.

That's quite a long way off, though.

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Friday, September 23, 2011 9:21 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Almanac:
My responses below will probably come across as rather harsh, for which I apologise.



I don't think they were harsh at all. In the end it is your timeline and your interpretation.

Personal Canon is always the most important. For me the only things that really matter are the Series and the Movie.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, September 23, 2011 2:38 PM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by Almanac:
My responses below will probably come across as rather harsh, for which I apologise.
SNIP



Likewise, not at all.
Everyone who accomplishes a task must set parameters and boundries.
I think you've done a great job with your timeline,
and worked hard to fit it within the information you're comfortable with using.

Mike

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Friday, September 23, 2011 6:05 PM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by Almanac:
SNIP or something like a prop from the movie whose details aren't visible in the movie itself.

Edgar Governo
Historian of Things That Never Were



This is a scan of the River Tam Brain scan I bought from Geoff Mandel a few years back.
This is the scan Dr. Josef Mathias was holding in the scene where Simon is watching River in the chair.
I don't have a back-lit panel, so the image isn't perfect,
but there is some good info on this;
just like the Prop Store images of the info plates handled by the Operative.



By combining the info on the scan with the Propstore images, we see that:
River Tam (Test Subject 443/95/4521) was entered into the Osiris School for the Gifted on August 22nd, 2515.
The Alliance designation for the Osiris School for the Gifted is Alliance Research facility 41,
where River was tested on September 7th, 2515.
Once it was determined that River was a good candidate for the Alliance psychic program,
she was moved to the secret Alliance Research facility 54 for Project Oracle.
She was further tested on psychic abilities on October 13th, 2516.
It was expected that she would be finished with the program on June 4th, 2518,
but her brother, Simon Tam, removed her without authorization in 2516.

I think it is funny to note that River scored in the 98-99th percentile in everything except Social Interaction,
where she scored 47%.



I attempted to remove the watermark in MS Paint, but that wasn't really feasible,
so I started transferring info and images to Word documents
so I could print on vellum and sandwich the sheets in clear plastic,
to create something similar to the plates the Operative handled in Project Oracle's library.



But that's another project that died on the, not-enough-hours-in-the-day, vine.

Mike

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:15 AM

ALMANAC


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:

This is a scan of the River Tam Brain scan I bought from Geoff Mandel a few years back.
This is the scan Dr. Josef Mathias was holding in the scene where Simon is watching River in the chair.
I don't have a back-lit panel, so the image isn't perfect,
but there is some good info on this;
just like the Prop Store images of the info plates handled by the Operative.

SNIPPAGE


Thanks...I've gone ahead, saved that image, and put it in the same folder as the previous Propstore images (which I'd saved at the time they were originally posted online).

As I said before, though, I may come back to these at some point, but don't consider their specific dates to be "official" since you can't see the details onscreen.

(Even when you can see the details, that can still be a problem...just look at the Alliance's records on "Malcom" Reynolds. :P)

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Monday, March 10, 2014 7:31 PM

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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 11:58 AM

ALMANAC


After almost a year offline, the Firefly Timeline has returned to the Web at a new location, so please update your links and bookmarks accordingly:

http://thingsthatneverwere.com/firefly.html

This is essentially identical to the last update I'd made to the timeline at its previous URL (since my priority was figuring out where to host my content), but I'm now looking forward to a more significant update which will include all the information from official stories that have come out lately. :)

Edgar Governo
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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:17 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Almanac:
After almost a year offline, the Firefly Timeline has returned to the Web at a new location, so please update your links and bookmarks accordingly:

http://thingsthatneverwere.com/firefly.html

This is essentially identical to the last update I'd made to the timeline at its previous URL (since my priority was figuring out where to host my content), but I'm now looking forward to a more significant update which will include all the information from official stories that have come out lately. :)

Edgar Governo
Historian of Things That Never Were
http://thingsthatneverwere.com/]

Love the link that leads to some outstanding work; two thumbs up






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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:16 PM

MOOSE


That is an incredible resource. Thank you!

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Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Sorry that I have been away for awhile. I did not see your thread until now.

There is no exact and accurate date in the Verse except one - a scheduled arrival date in Our Mrs. Reynolds.

Other dates are derived from various sources, of which many conflict with each other, some are patently false (for different reasons), and many have different amount of weight affixed to them. For instance, if you consider canon the date at the beginning of Pilot Serenity to apply to the original script and originally shot scenes, or to the re-scripted scenes, later shot and fit into the Pilot which was never aired until the Series was already canceled - because those dates are at least 7 weeks apart.

Anyhow, some timeline discussion and the resulting dates, to be used as your view fits, are in some threads here.
A list of them with links is in the Blue Sun Room forum, in a thread called Writer's Resource Package.
That post also includes a couple links to threads about The Map of the Verse, and some Travel and Navigational data, in case those are helpful.
I'm told these threads are used as reference by some writers of fanfic.
If you have further questions, post.
Of course, you may be far beyond that now.


Although this post is still valid, I could mention that some updates, other threads, and such have been created after this post.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=4&tid=32184

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