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TRON Legacy- not as bad as I'd heard

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Saturday, April 9, 2011 4:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Just watched it- wow, not too bad! I really liked it. Sonisall said it was OK as a stand alone flick, but terrible as a sequel. I agreed to a point. Still, better than the Matrix sequels or the Star Wars prequels IMO. And Jeff... ahh Jeff, what a great actor. Even CGI'd. And what a music score!!! Awesome!!

Thoughts?


The laughing Chrisisall



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Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:09 PM

MOOSE


Just finished it myself.

Not great, but better than I'd heard.

I wish I had ignored the reviews and watched it on a big screen, it must of looked incredible.

ETA: the score was incredible.

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Saturday, April 9, 2011 9:57 PM

SINGATE


My main gripe with the film is the lack of screentime for the title character. One would expect a movie with name TRON in the title would included a bit more TRON. Kind of disappointing that he only appeared briefly during a flashback. I realize it was Jr.'s story but come on! The original did a much better job establishing the importance of multiple characters.

Moose,

You're absolutely right it was incredible on the big screen. I always make the effort to see visually spectacular movies at the cinema regardless of critical or popular opinion.

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Saturday, April 9, 2011 10:13 PM

PHOENIXROSE

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Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Kind of disappointing that he only appeared briefly during a flashback.


I think you missed a couple parts. Tron was there the whole time, he just had a Stig helmet on.
CGI Jeff Bridges? Yeah, creepy. Sorry. It was less creepy when it was supposed to be Clu, since that's a program. But when it was supposed to be the person it was total Uncanny Valley, wigged me out.
Score was awesome. Effects were awesome (the lightjets were especially worth seeing on the big screen.) Story... was alright. There have been worse. I would never have called it unwatchable.


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Saturday, April 9, 2011 10:57 PM

LWAVES


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
My main gripe with the film is the lack of screentime for the title character. One would expect a movie with name TRON in the title would included a bit more TRON. Kind of disappointing that he only appeared briefly during a flashback.



EDIT: PR beat me to this answer as I was typing. Bah!!!

Do you realise that Rinzler was/is Tron? Although that may not be the point you are making.
I took it that Clu reprogrammed him and that is what breaks through and causes him to change sides later in the movie. It seemed to me like they were setting him up for the potential sequel as you don't know exactly what happened to him at the end.


As for the movie then I'm kind of on Sonisall's side. Having had the benefit of a second viewing on disc it is better than I first thought, with some great bits, but my main problem is that the course of events is too close to the original. In both movies we had the disc games, light cycles and then the beam rider thingy in the same order. The only thing missing from Legacy was the tank.
My only other real problem wasn't the fault of the actual film but I saw it in 3D at the cinema and it sucked. There was very little there and when it was there it popped out at you and took you out of the movie. The rest of the effects were excellent, especially the light cycle chase and having the 'younger' Jeff Bridges worked great, for the most part, with only a couple of dodgy moments.

Overall it was OK but it needed a better/different plot that could have made a great movie.



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Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:46 PM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:
my main problem is that the course of events is too close to the original. In both movies we had the disc games, light cycles and then the beam rider thingy in the same order. The only thing missing from Legacy was the tank.



Me too.

...they should have made up their minds whether they were doing a sequel or a remake.

They needed a new spin on the "computer games come to life" idea that reflected modern technology, rather than taking 1980s ideas like "lightcycles" and tarting them up with 3D graphi... oh, wait

Seriously - it was a novel idea in the 80s when computer games were blob-chasers, but these days we're used to playing in simulated worlds via an avatar.

I dunno, how about an "always ready to fight the next war again" satire with programs going through bootcamp being trained up on light cycles and discs before being shipped off to fight users armed with railguns and rocket launchers...?

...and, yeah, they should have found the budget for digitizing and youngify-ing Bruce Boxleitner, so we could have had a big reveal of Tron's face at the climax. Since Boxleitner 2010 was in the live-action part of the film that would still have been an "aha!" moment for people who hadn't seen the original.

Quote:


My only other real problem wasn't the fault of the actual film but I saw it in 3D at the cinema and it sucked.



Me three.
I hope this current 3D craze fizzles out soon and they put this particular bit of curious, but useless 1950s technology back in the attic for a decade or so. (All this has happened before, and it will happen again). I'll have to re-watch the film sometime, without the stupid sunglasses B-(



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Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:42 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I skipped 3D. It made my head pound for hours the first time I saw Avatar, and I didn't find it all that impressive, and the glasses over my own glasses were extremely uncomfortable, so I refuse to shell out for it anymore. Most annoying thing is that pretty much anything that goes to Imax now is in 3D, so I don't get to go to Imax anymore. I'm very annoyed at its prevalence, especially now that I've heard the Hobbit will be shot in 3D. Really? So unnecessary.


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:07 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Just watched it- wow, not too bad! I really liked it. Sonisall said it was OK as a stand alone flick, but terrible as a sequel. I agreed to a point. Still, better than the Matrix sequels or the Star Wars prequels IMO. And Jeff... ahh Jeff, what a great actor. Even CGI'd. And what a music score!!! Awesome!!

Thoughts?

Yeah, I loved the score. As for everything else...It was forgettable at best. I didn't care for Flynn's son, so I really could care less if he got out of the grid. Jeff Bridges is amazing, but in this one he seemed to be pretty bland. CGI Bridges(both Flynn, and Clu) took me out of the film every time I seen them. I hate 3-D, but I thought if any film could make it work it would be this one. I was wrong. If anything the film had a bland/desolate look, and intentional or not it never "grabbed" me.

Bottom line is this: I hold the original Tron as a masterpiece as both concept film, and a sign of the times in its relevance to the world of computers. Legacy did nothing to further the wonderment of the digital domain, and I felt the screenplay was just a rushed piece of garbage.

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:

Bottom line is this: I hold the original Tron as a masterpiece as both concept film, and a sign of the times in its relevance to the world of computers. Legacy did nothing to further the wonderment of the digital domain, and I felt the screenplay was just a rushed piece of garbage.


I mostly agree, yet I'll watch Legacy again for Bridges & the score- I felt they were both THAT good.


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Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:14 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Kind of disappointing that he only appeared briefly during a flashback.


I think you missed a couple parts. Tron was there the whole time, he just had a Stig helmet on.



I must come off a lot dumber than I imagine myself to be. Yes, I realize Rinzler was TRON but that isn't the same thing. My point was TRON is the title character yet has almost nothing to do with the story except for saving junior at the end. I'm guessing the writer(s) figured if TRON were on the side of the angels any earlier it wouldn't have been much of a battle.

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Monday, April 11, 2011 2:58 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Well it was never going to have quite the same resonance as when I watched the original as a kid. I mean back then, I hardly knew what a computer was; I thought Tron was living inside my calculator!

So I went and watched Legacy for the spectacle more than anything and I was happy enough. Can't say I was engaged with the narrative quite as much as the original - but I was just thrilled to see Jeff Bridges make a return as Flynn. The visuals were impressive in parts and the design was lovely. Poor choreographed fight scenes though. That was a shame given the standard of such things these days. But the score. Wow! There was a moment there when the theme kicked in and I swear the hears on the back of my neck.... Beautiful score.

What pleased me more than anything though was that it impressed my girlfriend who ordinarily hates sci-fi! (She wont even watch Star Wars) So I was amazed when we came out and she said that now she wants to watch the original. That's a plus for sure. So for that I say well done Legacy.

That said I now hope they leave it there. It doesn't need another one.

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Monday, April 11, 2011 3:35 AM

OBLIO


I liked it a lot. Imax was a great way to see it......major eyecandy! I think it was a fine redo and better than the original. Of course when I saw the original it was pretty hot by the standards of the day.

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Monday, April 11, 2011 6:29 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
My point was TRON is the title character yet has almost nothing to do with the story except for saving junior at the end.

The title is TRON Legacy.
Like how The Legend Of Zorro isn't actually about Zorro.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, April 11, 2011 8:34 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:

That said I now hope they leave it there. It doesn't need another one.

Yeah, that should be it. Game over, man!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, April 11, 2011 12:55 PM

STEGASAURUS


They're airing a television show. Looks to be animation and CGI on Disney XD.

Oh, and Chris, git it right. It's TRON, not Aliens.

End of Line, Man.

-Steg

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Monday, April 11, 2011 1:46 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
[The title is TRON Legacy.
Like how The Legend Of Zorro isn't actually about Zorro.



Even by that evaluation the title doesn't hold up. If anything the title Flynn: Legacy would be more apt. If I remember the original TRON was created as a security program. Since he was hacked/corrupted in the sequel what does that say about his legacy? It was Flynn senior who saves the day by finally getting off his ass to save his son. That was the only legacy I am seeing in this film.

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Monday, April 11, 2011 1:52 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Well, it was also shown that Flynn created the Tron video game...


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Monday, April 11, 2011 6:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
If I remember the original TRON was created as a security program. Since he was hacked/corrupted in the sequel what does that say about his legacy?

Ummm.... that it sucked?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:58 AM

STORYMARK


My take: Great visuals, pretty good action, Bridges was great.... his son was dull, and the script was sloppy and predictable. And it did a lousy job at exploring any of the concepts that carried over from the first, or the new ones it ntorduced.

Great eye candy, mediocre movie.



"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:01 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
My take: Great visuals, pretty good action, Bridges was great.... his son was dull, and the script was sloppy and predictable.




Agreed.
Oh, and the music was great.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:03 AM

STORYMARK


Yeah, the music was great. Listened to the soundtrack on a bus trip this past weekend, even. :)

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:59 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
My point was TRON is the title character yet has almost nothing to do with the story except for saving junior at the end.

The title is TRON Legacy.
Like how The Legend Of Zorro isn't actually about Zorro.




Not much like. At least that had Zorro training a new Zorro.

Tron Legacy doesn't even have to do with any legacy of Tron's. Flynn's Legacy would be the appropriate title.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:23 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
My point was TRON is the title character yet has almost nothing to do with the story except for saving junior at the end.

The title is TRON Legacy.
Like how The Legend Of Zorro isn't actually about Zorro.




Not much like. At least that had Zorro training a new Zorro.


I thought that was Mask Of Zorro...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:31 AM

STORYMARK


Oh, well then, you're wrong - as the title had passed and it was "Zorro" in Legend.

That, and I didn't really think I'd need to point out how a guy going by the same name would qualify as "Legend" (especially to the populace he defends) whereas there was no "Legacy" that Tron the character passed on, and the actual Legacy was rather clearly tied to Flynn through his son and Clu...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Okay, I gave it a shot, but you're clearly correct.



The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:57 AM

STORYMARK


I skipped "Legend of Zorro" anyway, even though I really liked "Mask of..."

But in my experience, putting "Legend of" in the title indicates a bad movie.

And putting those words into a Netflix search reinforces that notion....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:07 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I skipped "Legend of Zorro" anyway, even though I really liked "Mask of..."


Oh dude, it's really good. Same director, Martin Campbell. Just a tad less traumatic (no heads in jars ).
Someone characterized it a THE perfect Batman flick.



The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:52 PM

STORYMARK


Most people don't speak as kindly of it...

ut I'll see it one of these days. The kids just take the interest level waaaaay down for me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 1:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Most people don't speak as kindly of it...


Honestly, I like it a bit better than 'Mask', which of course means you'll likely like it a bit less, but I think you'll still like it!




The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:13 PM

STORYMARK


Okay then, bumped it to the top of the queue. It'll get it once I send back Someone to Watch Over Me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 13, 2011 6:47 AM

SUASOR


Well done flick. I saw the original, but all I remember was that TRON was a BASIC debugging command (TRace ON, worked with TROFF, or TRace OFF, where was the TROFF character?)

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Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:35 PM

CLJOHNSTON108


Well, I went on opening day, and I have to say that the 3D was nowhere near as effective as AVATAR (and the glasses were a whole lot more painful). Maybe it had something to do with the limited color palette: it was like 97% Black!

I like it a whole lot better watching at home on my iMac in 2D.

Have y'all seen this? (Sadly, it's not available on YouTube)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhkp04_tron-the-next-day-flynn-lives-
revealed-tr3n-teaser-1_shortfilms

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Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:20 PM

CHRISISALL


Umm, is that a teaser for the next film? A deleted ending?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:42 PM

SIMONWHO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, is that a teaser for the next film? A deleted ending?


The laughing Chrisisall




It's a Blu-ray special feature - they're actively touting a third one (though as the middle film in a new trilogy).

I liked Tron Legacy - Jeff Bridges is always but always watchable and there was a lot to like (the designs, the music, Olivia Wilde in skin tight rubber) but it did suffer in that the son never really engages with the audience. We don't get to see how being deprived of his father hurt him or how he feels or really anything like that - this is just another one of his rich kid adventures.

Oh and I always link to this whenever someone complains about 3D films:

http://technabob.com/blog/2011/02/10/turn-3d-glasses-into-2d-glasses-h
ow
/

Ingenious method that allows you to go see 3D movies with friends in 2D (although you're still having to pay the extra few quid for the privilege).

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Thursday, April 14, 2011 5:35 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, is that a teaser for the next film? A deleted ending?


The laughing Chrisisall





A deleted scene.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, April 18, 2011 8:42 AM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Just watched it- wow, not too bad! I really liked it. Sonisall said it was OK as a stand alone flick, but terrible as a sequel. I agreed to a point. Still, better than the Matrix sequels or the Star Wars prequels IMO. And Jeff... ahh Jeff, what a great actor. Even CGI'd. And what a music score!!! Awesome!!

Thoughts?


The laughing Chrisisall

I saw it in IMAX3D when it came out XD awesomness, and DP did good as composers






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Monday, April 18, 2011 11:33 AM

STEGASAURUS


So far I've watched and re-watched it 12 times. I just like it. Funny thing is, since it's so ingrained in my noggin, I found something interesting. I re-watched the original TRON on Showtime yesterday. Besides the essential plot line, they raped soooooo many lines and scenes from the original. It was comical to me.

Because of this, I would actually consider TRON: Legacy a reboot rather than a sequel to the original. But that's just me.

-Steg

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Monday, April 18, 2011 1:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Stegasaurus:
I would actually consider TRON: Legacy a reboot rather than a sequel to the original. But that's just me.

-

It's a Rebooted Sequel!

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