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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...



Donald Trump is an ass. And more. I can't believe he's getting such play with his assininity lately, and I'm sick of hearing about it. At one point I heard a commentator posit that he's just doing it to get attention and up the ratings on his show, and I think that's about it. All this birther shit isn't doing anyone any good, and I loved good old Sarah saying he'd probably get to the bottom of it, he's got the resources...

Honest to gawd; why does anyone pay ANY attention to this idiot, just as why does anyone pays attention to Raptor here?

Trump's done it again, apparently:
Quote:

Donald Trump appeared to stumble into a contradiction in an interview Tuesday - a misstep that could haunt the potential GOP presidential candidate amongst social conservatives.

In an interview with MSNBC, Trump was asked if he believed there was a right to privacy in the Constitution - a right that, while not explicitly stated in the Constitution, the Supreme Court has said can be inferred from the text.

He responded, "I guess there is, I guess there is."

Then his tone of voice changed and he followed up with, "And why, just out of curiosity, why do you ask that question?"

When NBC's Savannah Guthrie wondered how that line of legal theory "squares" with his pro-life stance, Trump said, "Well, that's a pretty strange way of getting to pro-life. I mean, it's a very unique way of asking about pro-life. What does that have to do with privacy? How are you equating pro-life with privacy?"

To answer Trump's question, the United States Supreme Court equated the right to privacy as grounds to legalize abortion in its controversial 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.


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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then, too:
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Vice President Joe Biden hopes real estate mogul Donald Trump tops the 2012 Republican presidential ticket.

At a fundraiser in Ohio, Biden said the next election will highlight the different visions between the Democratic and Republican parties.

"This is not your father's Republican Party," Biden said according to a pool report. "The Republicans this time are totally, and I don't mean this in a pejorative sense, are out of the closet. They are laying out for the first time what they are for and how they think they are going to deal with the problem. That's a debate I can hardly wait for – hopefully with Donald Trump."

Trump, star of "Celebrity Apprentice," has publically flirted with a bid for the White House.

Oh, so do I...him or Sarah or Michelle, PLEASE!



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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:54 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...or even Huckabee. Same difference:
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Mike Huckabee is coming to the defense of potential GOP-presidential rival Donald Trump following criticism of the billionaire's stances on taxes and spending by the conservative Club for Growth.

The Republican anti-spending group condemned Trump on Monday for his past endorsement of universal healthcare and proposal to raise taxes on Chinese imports.

Huckabee, the former presidential candidate and current Fox News host who has said he is thinking about running another campaign, said he remembers when the organization made similar attacks against him in 2008.

"According to that group, I'm also a tax-loving socialist. During the 2008 election they cherry-picked some factoids out of context from the deals I had to make from a ninety percent Democratic Arkansas legislature," Huckabee said in his daily radio commentary.

Huckabee also criticized the organization for being so focused on cutting taxes.

"I never understood when it became a mark of conservatism to run up debt on your children's credit card instead of biting the bullet and paying your own bills," Huckabee said.

Huckabee clarified that his defense of Trump should not be confused as an endorsement but vowed to study the real-state mogul's full resume instead of taking Club for Growth's "word for it."

"Under their criteria the things that Ronald Reagan had to do as governor and as president probably would have made him a tax-loving socialist unfit for the White House as well," Huckabee said.

The Club for Growth posted Huckabee's radio commentary under the tag, "Crazy Liberals."




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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...and lastly, to wrap it up:
Quote:

If Donald Trump runs for president, he says he won't release his tax returns unless President Obama releases his birth certificate.

The latest attention-grabbing sound bite from the media mogul came in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos Tuesday, during which Trump was decidedly non-committal on what his policy toward tax disclosure will be. A presidential candidate is not required by election law to disclose tax returns, though most voluntarily do.

"I think I may tie mine into his birth certificate. But I've built a great company," Trump said. "It's a strong company. It's an under-levered company. I've got a lot of cash and a tremendous net worth, far greater than even numbers that you've read."

But Trump added that he will disclose his financial entanglements and net worth - a figure that few have been able to estimate with any confidence.

"I have a great company. I've done a great job. Which if I run, you'll see what a great job. Because I'll do a full disclosure of finances," he said.

Of course he won't, because he won't really run, we all know that... It's all just a load of


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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:01 PM

WULFENSTAR

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I personally hope the RNC puts up Don Trump.

Not cus I would vote for him. Or any of the others they are pimping.

Just because America needs to wake up.

If the RNC is so STUPID as to put him up, or any of the other fools...

Well, it gives people like Ron Paul a shot.

Cus as much as Obama makes libs wet... he is going to lose.

I think now, more than any other time in MY life... the Douchebag or Turd sandwich choice just doesnt cut it anymore.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Asking Trump about a legal issue , which would be outside the scope of the office of President, should he even run, does seem silly.

Most pro/ con on the abortion issue will admit that Roe v wade is a very poor law, and should be overturned.

Mock The Donald for his 'Birther' stance, but this ?

Meh.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:18 PM

DREAMTROVE



Roe v. Wade was decided on a 14th a. stance, privacy was one of the issues considered, another was citizenship. To counter the issue of citizenship, the foetus, as not yet "born" it was argued was "not a person" in an eerie echo of Dred Scott.

The case was rushed through by an agenda driven legal team supported by some of my least favorite people (Nazis, I hate these guys) but the Donald is basically on target on this issue. A challenge to the constitutionality of Roe v Wade would be very solid. The court is not infallible.

If you have a child, and no one knows you have it, and you kill it, then you're not protected by your right to privacy. Ergo, 14th a. birthright citizenship is protecting that child, and not the foetus, ergo, it's not strictly a privacy issue, is it?

It's a 14th a. case. Sure. But it's a shaky one.

That said, Trump is a smart guy. He knows what he's doing. He's re-electing Barack Obama, who will reward him most excellently with contracts. I believe the standard payoff in neocon circles is 1000:1, million changes to billion. Trump will spend a hundred million to get the Reform third party split vote, and he'll get 100 billion in contracts from Obama.

Rich, rich genius.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:25 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I wouldn't vote for Trump because I have this policy about not voting someone to be president who has a reality show, it just zaps their credability to me. Sarah got one and now she's fallen off the candidate spectrum, reality shows and the presidency don't mix, so no Donald for me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:54 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I wouldn't vote for Trump because I have this policy about not voting someone to be president who has a reality show, it just zaps their credability to me. Sarah got one and now she's fallen off the candidate spectrum, reality shows and the presidency don't mix, so no Donald for me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



Lol

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I swear, I don't know where you get some of your ideas, DT!
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If you have a child, and no one knows you have it, and you kill it, then you're not protected by your right to privacy.
That only has meaning for those who believe two cells merging together make a person from the moment of conception, which view I do not share. So it's a judgment call by you, in other words and opinion, that a living child independent of a woman's body has no more or less rights than a cell growing within her body.

As to Trump "helping" Obama get re-elected, that is such a reach it's not worth me responding to. You think some strange things sometimes, in my opinion, and believe them to be "fact"--or at least that's how you put them forward.


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Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:28 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I swear, I don't know where you get some of your ideas, DT!
Quote:

If you have a child, and no one knows you have it, and you kill it, then you're not protected by your right to privacy.
That only has meaning for those who believe two cells merging together make a person from the moment of conception, which view I do not share. So it's a judgment call by you, in other words and opinion, that a living child independent of a woman's body has no more or less rights than a cell growing within her body.




Sorry, you missed a step there, or I did: If the logic is *strictly* a privacy one, than radical extremists would have the right to kill their grown children. Except that they don't, because it's illegal to kill people. The conclusion that was reached in Roe v. Wade REQUIRED absolutely the definition that a foetus is not a person. Otherwise even with the privacy clause, it's in the same boat.

This decision was made under the 14th a. citizenship "born" clause, claiming the unborn therefore, "not people" which is an eerie resurgence of the twisted logic of Dred Scott.

Not going to debate this issue, just pointing out the connection.

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
As to Trump "helping" Obama get re-elected, that is such a reach it's not worth me responding to. You think some strange things sometimes, in my opinion, and believe them to be "fact"--or at least that's how you put them forward.



So, just to get this straight, you think that Perot in no way helped Clinton get elected and re-elected and was in no way rewarded, and that his splitting of the '92 vote was coincidence, and his subsequent govt. contracts were also coincidence? Remember, I worked for the reform party, the inside story is that Perot offer Clinton a deal, and Clinton said "I don't need you, can I can win without you" and so Perot dropped out. Polls then showed that in fact, without Perot, Bush Sr. would be re-elected. So Clinton called Perot back and said "get back in the race, and you have a deal."

It was widely known in the RPUSA that If Perot had really wanted to win, he probably could have pulled it off, but he just had no interest in the job. Dancing in and out of the race certainly killed his victory chances, but victory wasn't the goal.

Not saying all billionaires think alike, just that Donald Trump is a long term member of the Reform Party, and he knows this story just like the rest of the RPUSA. Perot made a fortune on that deal, a lesson that was not lost on Trump. All I'm saying.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, April 22, 2011 12:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

The conclusion that was reached in Roe v. Wade REQUIRED absolutely the definition that a foetus is not a person.


Wrong. It required only that the fetus is not a CITIZEN. And, as we've been shown, strict constitutionalists don't believe in "human" rights, only CITIZENS' rights, which they tell us absolutely are NOT conferred to other people of the world, and are ONLY conferred upon American citizens. Thus, a fetus has no rights. A born baby DOES have rights, according to the Constitution. Killing a baby violates the rights of a citizen; killing a fetus does not, according to the righties.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, April 22, 2011 1:35 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,

Point conceded, but the result and hinge points are the same. I disagree with the court's decision. I worry that when it is overturned, it will refer to the procedure of abortion, and not the systematic sterilization and depopulation of the poor, of which the majority of focus is now on EC and not abortion anyway, so the abortion debate is becoming moot.

To everyone on the other side, I would say, to those of us that care, this is an issue. I understand that to others it is not. I run into a similar thing with environmental issues. I have to work around the fact that other either don't care about little fuzzy animals, or do, but feel they are in no danger. The question is whether families are in danger, particularly poor ones, like my own and those I know.

Hopefully we can come to an agreement down the road that doesn't involve divisive conflict.


As to the original thread topic, I feel very sure that Trump is baiting for a power position by using a third party run. The GOP would never support him because parties like to support their own, and he's not a member. Even if he just becomes one, that's not loyalty. He's probably just doing it to get attention, and if he runs, he'll run Reform, because, like Jesse Ventura, that's the party he belongs to, and they will take him. That will result in a three way split favoring Obama, and everyone in politics knows it. I assume Mr. Trump is hoping the president will offer a sweetheart deal.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, April 22, 2011 2:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm more cynical; I view it as Trump just trying to trump up his ratings for his horrible show. NBC is happy to help, of course, because they make money off his idiocy. Or, worst case, he wins, and NBC has an ear in the Oval Office. It's win-win for them.

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Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


DT,
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If the logic is *strictly* a privacy one, than radical extremists would have the right to kill their grown children. Except that they don't, because it's illegal to kill people.
Wrong. Privacy pertains to the woman's BODY...once a baby is outside her body, killing it is illegal. I realize apparently you don't agree that a woman has the right to the privacy of her own body, but that's how it WORKS OUT, whatever it was intended, and your corollary fails.

I hold with the belief that abortion after a certain point is wrong, but that's my personal belief; when it comes to privacy of my body, I believe that SHOULD be a right. It gets murky, unquestionably, but I find it interesting that those arguing for impinging on a woman's body in public are generally men. I don't mean those protesting at clinics which provide abortions, I consider them to be mostly people who swallowed the propaganda of their religious leaders, their own fanatacism, their political cohorts. I mean the legislators, the politicians; they're almost always men.

As I've said before, the day I see every loud anti-choice proponent adopt a child and raise it is the day I'll take them seriously. Until then, they just want to have control of the reproductive process and the right to decide for women, in my opinion.


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