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Anakin Skywalker and Padme, OR Anakin and Ashoka Tano(padawan in CLONE WARStv show)

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Friday, April 29, 2011 12:32 AM

JAMERON4EVA


Which would you think would be the better paring?

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Friday, April 29, 2011 5:16 AM

CYBERSNARK


Anakin/Padme is honestly more believable (in The Clone Wars, anyway). Padme represents something that Anakin has never had. Not just luxury, but Padme's convictions and idealism --and a way of looking at things entirely unconnected to Jedi parochialism.

Even without the age difference (though Ahsoka is apparently closer to Anakin's age than he is to Padme), Ahsoka and Anakin are far too similar, personality-wise. I actually think that was part of Yoda's reasoning in throwing them together; that they'd grind off each other's hard edges (I assume that, if there wasn't a war on, Ahsoka would've been bounced from Jedi training and sent to the agri-corps).

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Friday, April 29, 2011 7:33 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, even though Padme and Anakin as written are boring and cliche as hell, I can't help but think there's some issues with a teacher of any sort getting involved with their student.

I mean, sure, people going into a relationship may be coming from different backgrounds, one might have more money or social position in general, so you can't always say it's a perfect 1:1 in the power ratio in the relationship.

But I see that as very different from a relationship where one character actually IS supposed to be subordinate to another character, and punishment is possible if they disobey. Power ratio is just way too extreme to be comfortable with, it skirts becoming a question of consent.

It's the same problem to be found in an employer/employee relationship, or a military commander/subordinate relationship.

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Sunday, May 1, 2011 1:12 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, even though Padme and Anakin as written are boring and cliche as hell, I can't help but think there's some issues with a teacher of any sort getting involved with their student.

I mean, sure, people going into a relationship may be coming from different backgrounds, one might have more money or social position in general, so you can't always say it's a perfect 1:1 in the power ratio in the relationship.

But I see that as very different from a relationship where one character actually IS supposed to be subordinate to another character, and punishment is possible if they disobey. Power ratio is just way too extreme to be comfortable with, it skirts becoming a question of consent.

It's the same problem to be found in an employer/employee relationship, or a military commander/subordinate relationship.



I understand all of that, and yes i knew the comparison to the military thing, i WAS in MCJROTC for 4 years. But remember, the Jedi are different, and master DID marry there padawaans at a time in the Jedi history. Remember, the council you see in the prequils, is the post Ruusan Reformation of the GALAXY version of the council, one that, face it, was TOO AFRAID of everything. In fact, thats a fault that Palpatine played Anakin into his hands from.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Sunday, May 1, 2011 1:36 PM

BYTEMITE


There's a fair point to be made about the Jedi Council being too paranoid about many things, including whether or not to have relationships or families period. But the potential trouble and liability of teacher student relationships is probably not a place where you can be too careful.

Just as a rules against relationships between a doctor and a patient are fair and valid, as the doctor might use the relationship to secure sexual favours from their patient in return for the patient's continued life and well being, so too are teacher student relationships similarly murky.

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Monday, May 2, 2011 4:19 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
There's a fair point to be made about the Jedi Council being too paranoid about many things, including whether or not to have relationships or families period. But the potential trouble and liability of teacher student relationships is probably not a place where you can be too careful.

Just as a rules against relationships between a doctor and a patient are fair and valid, as the doctor might use the relationship to secure sexual favours from their patient in return for the patient's continued life and well being, so too are teacher student relationships similarly murky.




And again, many Jedi were married to other Jedi, both BEFORE, AND AFTER the reformation, and the Purge

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Monday, May 2, 2011 4:27 PM

BYTEMITE


And they were considered Grey Jedi, the Jedi equivalent of heretics, and expelled from the order for it. (That was for marriage in general, so of course master and padawan liaisons would fall under the same rule)

Why exactly do you think Anakin and Padme had to keep their marriage secret?

And that if they didn't decide you were too dangerous, and wipe all memory of your training, your powers, and your life.

I'll give you that the Jedi aren't exactly the paragon of morality.

But the teacher student thing is a very dangerous and murky ground to go into, Jedi or not.

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 12:24 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


The Darth Bane books explain the change in Jedi Traditions as well as the new Sith "Rule of two." 1,000 years before a new hope, Jedi could marry, have children, multiple apprentices and even be involved in politics. There were more than a few Jedi of wealthy families who were quite powerful in this respect. The end of that Jedi vs Sith war brought with it the first non-Jedi Supreme Chancellor in some time as well as the new Jedi regulations that made them advisers and keepers of peace but forbade them having any real political power. No more attachments and the like, only training young-lings who weren't yet corrupted, in hopes that this new focus would keep the Jedi on the straight and narrow and they would not lose any of their own to the dark side again.

In practice, I believe it made them blind to many things, including the Sith they thought they had eradicated, which was probably exactly what Darth Bane intended.

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Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:41 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
The Darth Bane books explain the change in Jedi Traditions as well as the new Sith "Rule of two." 1,000 years before a new hope, Jedi could marry, have children, multiple apprentices and even be involved in politics. There were more than a few Jedi of wealthy families who were quite powerful in this respect. The end of that Jedi vs Sith war brought with it the first non-Jedi Supreme Chancellor in some time as well as the new Jedi regulations that made them advisers and keepers of peace but forbade them having any real political power. No more attachments and the like, only training young-lings who weren't yet corrupted, in hopes that this new focus would keep the Jedi on the straight and narrow and they would not lose any of their own to the dark side again.

In practice, I believe it made them blind to many things, including the Sith they thought they had eradicated, which was probably exactly what Darth Bane intended.



I agree with you, i read all three DARTH BANE books, and i saw that, that's why Palpatine was so confident, the Jedi had become complacent and afraid, and as yoda always said, fear leads to the darkside.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:11 PM

CYBERSNARK


And I've always liked what Bard'ika said in one of the Republic Commando books; that maybe the reason the Jedi were having so much trouble sensing the Dark Side (compared to previous generations of Jedi) was because there wasn't as much contrast anymore --the Jedi themselves had grown faded and tarnished.

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Wednesday, May 4, 2011 3:44 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


I wonder how many Jedi became corrupted while filling the role of Generals in the clone wars. If order 66 hadn't wiped most of the out, I wouldn't be surprised if the clone wars would have eventually created an army of dark jedi. Of course, an army of dark jedi would not be in Palpatine's interest, it would dilute the dark side's power.

If he followed Darth Bane's philosophy, he believed there should be only two Sith, one to have the power, and another to covet it. The apprentice learns from the master until they are powerful enough to strike them down and become the master themselves. Meanwhile, the master is made all the more powerful from maintaining their guard at all times on account of their apprentice. That's the theory anyway.

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Thursday, May 5, 2011 6:14 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I wonder how many Jedi became corrupted while filling the role of Generals in the clone wars. If order 66 hadn't wiped most of the out, I wouldn't be surprised if the clone wars would have eventually created an army of dark jedi. Of course, an army of dark jedi would not be in Palpatine's interest, it would dilute the dark side's power.

If he followed Darth Bane's philosophy, he believed there should be only two Sith, one to have the power, and another to covet it. The apprentice learns from the master until they are powerful enough to strike them down and become the master themselves. Meanwhile, the master is made all the more powerful from maintaining their guard at all times on account of their apprentice. That's the theory anyway.






Unfortunantly OR fortunantly, Palpatine DIDN'T follow the, "Rule of Two"


"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Friday, June 10, 2011 12:10 AM

TERRAN57


Polygamy in a far away galaxy. So take em both.

Terran57

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Friday, June 10, 2011 1:37 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Both. At once. Many times.

After all, who's the Darth Vader?

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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:08 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I wonder how many Jedi became corrupted while filling the role of Generals in the clone wars. If order 66 hadn't wiped most of the out, I wouldn't be surprised if the clone wars would have eventually created an army of dark jedi. Of course, an army of dark jedi would not be in Palpatine's interest, it would dilute the dark side's power.



Along those lines, I think had Mace killed Palpetine in ROTS, he would have gone ahead and seized power.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:46 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
And I've always liked what Bard'ika said in one of the Republic Commando books; that maybe the reason the Jedi were having so much trouble sensing the Dark Side (compared to previous generations of Jedi) was because there wasn't as much contrast anymore --the Jedi themselves had grown faded and tarnished.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.





I have personal beef with Karyen Traviss. I like the fact that she expanded on the Mando'ae, but she's taking them TOO far. Plus the fact that she killed off Mara, that is solely a decision that should've been made by Timothy Zahn, and written by him, not a punk upstart like Traviss. Without Zahn, without the thrawn trilogy, without MARA JADE, the books would never be this far, numerous, or popular. And, without those three books, there's a good chance there might never have been a new trilogy. Hate Jar jar all you want, remember, jar jar wasnt meant for the older generations, but the newer ones. Just like the new series while following the original's backstory, was also geared for a slightlym different audience.



"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
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