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Democrat takes "very red" Congressional district

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wow.
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Democrat Kathy Hochul swept to victory Tuesday night in a closely watched Congressional election in New York state, which turned into a proxy battle on a House Republican proposal on Medicare.

The race in New York's 26th Congressional district was to fill the seat of former Republican Congressman Chris Lee, who resigned over pictures and e-mails of him trying to find a date on Craigslist.

The seat had been considered safe for Republicans, who had held the district for more than four decades.

Democrats claimed the victory "had far reaching consequences around the country" over Medicare, while a top Republican warned trying to "predict the future based on the results of this unusual race is naive and risky."

With nearly 90 percent of precincts reporting, Hochul has 48 percent of the vote, Republican Jane Corwin 42 percent, self-proclaimed Tea Party candidate Jack Davis nine percent, and Green Party candidate Ian Murphy one percent.

The crowd chanted "Medicare, Medicare" during Hochul's victory speech in Buffalo, after the issue became the center of the once-little talked about race.

Hochul and Corwin attacked each other over it, with both campaigns, parties and outside groups flooding the airwaves with television commercials. Many of the ads spotlighted the political battle over House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan's plan to drastically cut federal spending by reforming Medicare.

Hochul told supporters in her speech voters "looked beyond party labels ... for a message they believed in."

The Eric County clerk vowed to help balance the budget "the right way, not on backs of our seniors."

During the campaign, she highlighted the national fight, telling CNN before the election, "Corwin has 100% embraced the Paul Ryan budget. Even when Republicans in Washington walk away from it, she's been asked again and again, and she continues to support it."

Corwin called Hochul's message "scare tactics," and had argued, "she's trying to put out the idea that I'm trying to end Medicare. There's nothing further from the truth, I'm working to protect Medicare.

Minutes after the results were announced, both parties sought to paint far different implications of the race.

Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said, "Tonight's result has far-reaching consequences beyond New York."

Schultz said "it demonstrates that Republicans and Independent voters, along with Democrats, will reject extreme policies like ending Medicare that even Newt Gingrich called radical."

She said that she hopes the GOP will listen to voters.

"With this election in the rear-view mirror, it is my hope that Republicans will accept the message being sent by voters in this race, in the polls and at town hall meetings across the country and work with Democrats to get our fiscal house in order while protecting Medicare and other initiatives vital to our economic recovery," she said.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Steve Israel said, "We served notice to the Republicans that we will fight them anywhere in America when it comes to defending and strengthening Medicare."

But National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Pete Sessions said the race does not have national implications.

"Obviously, each side would rather win a special election than lose," he said. "But to predict the future based on the results of this unusual race is naive and risky. History shows one important fact: the results of competitive special elections from Hawaii to New York are poor indicators of broader trends or future general election outcomes. If special elections were an early warning system, they sure failed to alert the Democrats of the political tsunami that flooded their ranks in 2010."

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus argued the presence of a third party candidate was a factor in the race.

"Corwin ran a strong campaign in spite of facing a Democrat and a Democrat posed as a Tea Party candidate, both of whom sought to distract from the central issues in the minds of voters: restoring our economy and creating jobs," he said in a statement. "If we have learned anything from these results, it is that Democrats will stop at nothing to preserve the status quo in Washington, which is propelling our country towards bankruptcy."

Looking to the race for the seat next fall, Priebus said, "there is no question Kathy Hochul will have a tough time holding onto this seat in 2012 with Barack Obama and his failed economic leadership weighing heavily on the minds of western New York voters when they return to the polls."

Both parties have brought in some of their big guns to stump for their party's candidates.

House Speaker John Boehner and Cantor made recent trips to the district to campaign for Corwin.

For the Democrats, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, one of the Senate Democratic leaders, went to the district recently to campaign for Hochul, as did the state's other Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/24/breaking-cnn-projects-
hochul-as-winner-in-ny-26/?hpt=T2


Amazing. Shows just HOW pissed off people are about this Medicare thing, to me. It's a very red district, went for Bush both times and then McCain. The GOP spent tons of money this time around, and still lost! Of COURSE it's not a predictor of anything; this is a big issue right now, who knows what the big issue will be in November 2012. But it's still amazing to me.

As to the idea of "a Democrat posed as a Tea Party candidate", that's a flat-out lie by the way:
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A lifelong Republican, Davis switched to the Democrats after being kicked out of a fundraiser headlined by Dick Cheney in 2003 when he tried to ask Cheney questions about free trade policies. He then ran for the U.S. Congress seat in his home district, NY-26, in 2004, 2006 and 2008 as a self-funded candidate, pouring in millions of his own funds and coming close to beating the incumbent Republican Thomas Reynolds in 2006. In the 2008 election, however, he came in third out of three in the Democratic primary. He switched his affiliation back to Republican with the election of fellow wealthy industrialist Chris Lee, becoming an ally and supporter of Lee. After Lee's abrupt departure from Congress in February, 2011 Davis tried and failed to get the Republican nomination to replace Lee, then decided to run as an independent on a newly created Tea Party line.
Wikipedia

He may be a fake Tea Party candidate, but if he's faking for any reason, it appears he's doing so just to win, after trying unsuccessfully many times, not a Democrat ringer. That's a rather shameful political excuse, and to go further and say it shows the Dems "will do anything" is also something Priebus should be ashamed of. Typical politics; shameful and untrue. Nothing new there.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:36 AM

KANEMAN


Yeah okay....you have seen what has happened in the last two years ? right? Let's wait till 2012.......before we gloat...However, if you lick your finger and stick it out the window you will figure out which way the wind is blowing...unless you are stupid. After this patriot act sleaze shit it is over for the Dems locally, statewide, congress, and maybe even the Whitehouse......you should hang out in bars more instead of mental health forums...trust me.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mmmm, there goes your "vow" not to call people names (the "names" come out pretty clearly). No real change, I see...

I'll save your comments about it being "over" and we can discuss them after the 2012 elections. Just like the Medicare kerfluffle, I doubt that will be the deciding issue upon which people vote then. I agree: "Let's wait till 2012".

Just to add: Look what happened between 2000 and 2004, and they voted Bush back in. People aren't always that smart, or paying that much attention, or even trying to understand the issues. Deciding which is worse, what Bush did for 8 years or what Obama's done for 2, is kind of a game of futility in my opinion, and doesn't reflect how people will vote.


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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:55 AM

KANEMAN


Works for me...but in the end I don't think any of us can "gloat" we seem to lose more and more, for more and more money....we suck.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Who's gloating? Did I not say that I disagreed, that I think the Medicare issue is NOT an indication of a national change, as some have claimed? You have a major problem in that you seem to see me "gloating" (this is the second mention of that); I'm not gloating, and I rarely do. It's understandable given how much some here have gloated, cheered, neener-neenered all over the forum over every potential Republican win or Democratic loss, but I'm not one of them. I found it amazing, personally; I thought maybe the Dem would come CLOSE, which would indicate a mentality, but I never expected her to WIN! And I don't expect it to last any more than the fear and anger of the American voters which put all those Tea Partiers in office. Now that they're getting a glimpse of what all those people intend to DO, not what they SAID, the pendulum is swinging. That's just how it works; voters are fickle and easily led.

But the Ryan budget has been interesting to watch in how it has affected those in his party. Gingrich is pretty representational of the rock-and-a-hard-place it put them in. Agree with it, you'll lose a lot of voters; disagree with it, the Tea Partiers will come crashing down on your head. I think they're realizing that being against it could potentially lose them the nomination, but being FOR it could lose them the general election. I actually feel sad for them (but not in a sneering, gloating way); serious legislators KNOW the only way things get done is through compromise, now they're stuck with a bunch who'd rather lose than compromise. Doesn't make for ANYTHING good coming out of Washington, and that gives me no pleasure.

And I certainly wasn't "gloating" over the stupid remarks about a "fake Democrat", I thought the remark was a very (sadly common) political ploy. Resplectfully, you might try reading what is written, and perhaps, just perhaps, viewing people as individuals who react individually.


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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:19 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Saw this story this morning in the LA Times, Los Angleles' answer to Pravda, buried on like page 7 of the second section. Funny how a *L*I*B*E*R*A*L*, commie/Socialist paper like that would bury a story like this, considering how they've been running
" Groundhog sees Shadow! Bad News for Obama in 2012!"
stories on the front page ever since he was inaugurated. Republican wins city council seat here, bad for Obama. Republican wins special election there, bad for Obama. Newt scores in poll of Wingnut party members, bad for Obama. Palin wins Best Legs poll, bad for Obama.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Prize for first good giggle of the day goes to NewOld. Precisely the point I was making, but made with far more humor. Thank you.


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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's going to be interesting to see just how quickly and how radically the GOP-baggers do an about-face and run, FAST, away from Paul Ryan's "Kill Medicare and send Granny to the poor-house" budget plan.

New York's 26th Congressional District already showed what happens to those who support it.

So they can either bail on Ryan's idiotic plan, and face the wrath of their own party and the tea-baggers, or they can stick with him, and face the wrath of the voters.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 5:32 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Why does it matter if he's looking for a date on craigslist. In OR craigslist is a legitimate way to get dates, its the only way I can ever get them anyway.

Now if he had groty pictures of himself naked or something or was talking super dirty in his ad I can see why people might be unsettled, but just an ad doesnt' seem bad enough to get kicked out of government. Then again was it one of those groty "I'm married but I'm bored" ads?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 6:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Here's his Craigslist photo that started this whole thing.



Christopher Lee, who fancies himself "The Man With the Golden Guns".

He's married, by the way, and was looking for dates. Reportedly, at least three DC-area transsexuals have come forward claiming that he had contacted them for "dates" in the past, which it seems may be just the thing he was trying to cover up.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 8:36 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Well then that fits into the afore mentioned "I'm married and bored" category which is inapropriate for someone in a leadership position to be posting all over the Internet, that's just asking to be done with a government career, though with the morals I see around me I don't think that people are going to care in another few years, anything will be allowed to go unagknowledged. :(

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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