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Bachman signs Marriage Vow
Friday, July 8, 2011 5:54 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Quote: The GOP presidential hopeful is the first candidate to sign an Iowa group's controversial "Marriage Vow" The Family Leader, one of Iowa's most influential social conservative organizations, says that in order to receive the group's endorsement, GOP presidential candidates must sign a 14-point pledge affirming a commitment to traditional marriage. By signing the pledge, called The Marriage Vow, a candidate agrees to remain faithful to his or her partner, oppose gay marriage, reject pornography, reject Islamic Sharia law, and uphold the assertion that married couples have better sex, among other things. Michele Bachmann has already signed it. perhaps the biggest outcry is over an aspect of the pledge that states a child born into slavery was "more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household" than one born after the election of President Obama.
Friday, July 8, 2011 5:56 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, July 9, 2011 3:44 AM
PENGUIN
Saturday, July 9, 2011 7:31 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Penguin: I hereby pledge NOT to vote for anyone who would sign that piece of crap.
Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:48 AM
BYTEMITE
Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:54 AM
Saturday, July 9, 2011 11:50 AM
Saturday, July 9, 2011 12:41 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:45 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:57 AM
Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Penguin: If they truly wanted to "protect marriage", they would make infidelity a crime and make divorce nearly impossible to get. I'm betting Newt wouldn't vote for that... King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa
Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I'm surprised there isn't something about abortions in there too--they seem to have covered all their bases except for that. Sick, sick people.
Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: It's also factually questionable because one of the major things that slave owners did to prevent uprisings, and just one of the great tragedies of the whole thing, was to split up families. Husbands from wives, children from parents, and so on. Many of them were never able to find each other again.
Monday, July 11, 2011 4:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: perhaps the biggest outcry is over an aspect of the pledge that states a child born into slavery was "more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household" than one born after the election of President Obama.
Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 AM
Quote:Because of the high premium placed on male labor, throughout every period of American slavery, black men were the most likely to be parted from their families. For slave owners, who considered the basic family unit to be comprised of mother and child, husbands and fathers could be, and were, easily replaced. Many a slave woman was assigned a new husband by her master [so much for their having been "husbands and wives" back then]. Male children were also frequently taken from slave mothers. The bond between an enslaved mother and daughter was the least likely to be disturbed through sale. Yet this tie was also fragile. Owners could reap large returns by selling pretty girls, especially light-skinned ones, into prostitution or concubinage. The possibility of separation was an ever-present threat to every member of a slave family. When a master died, his slaves might be indiscriminately distributed among his heirs or sold off to multiple buyers. When a planter's child was born or married, he or she might receive the gift of a black attendant. Mothers were taken from their own children to nurse the offspring of their masters. And slave children were torn from mothers and brought into the house to be raised alongside the master's sons and daughters.
Quote: We have better statistics on modern black family formation than our statistics on slave transactions, but we can agree on this -- black children are someone less likely to be ripped away from their mothers and raised by slave owners these days. Both Bachmann and Santorum had it in their power to scan this and say something like, "hey, if you take out this historical gibberish, I can sign the pledge, but not before." They didn't do that. Meanwhile, Gary Johnson, who isn't competing for any of the FAMiLY Leader's base, comes out against the whole pledge.Quote:This "pledge" is nothing short of a promise to discriminate against everyone who makes a personal choice that doesn’t fit into a particular definition of "virtue." While the Family Leader pledge covers just about every other so-called virtue they can think of, the one that is conspicuously missing is tolerance. In one concise document, they manage to condemn gays, single parents, single individuals, divorcees, Muslims, gays in the military, unmarried couples, women who choose to have abortions, and everyone else who doesn’t fit in a Norman Rockwell painting.
Quote:This "pledge" is nothing short of a promise to discriminate against everyone who makes a personal choice that doesn’t fit into a particular definition of "virtue." While the Family Leader pledge covers just about every other so-called virtue they can think of, the one that is conspicuously missing is tolerance. In one concise document, they manage to condemn gays, single parents, single individuals, divorcees, Muslims, gays in the military, unmarried couples, women who choose to have abortions, and everyone else who doesn’t fit in a Norman Rockwell painting.
Quote:"We came up with the pledge and so we had no idea that people would misconstrue that," she said. "It was not meant to be racist or anything. it was just a fact that back in the days of slavery there was usually a husband and a wife...we were not saying at all that things are better for African-American children in slavery days than today."
Monday, July 11, 2011 5:43 AM
Quote:you pause and replay it in your mind, either because you didn't know that someone could be that wrong, or you're not even actually sure what was just said.
Monday, July 11, 2011 6:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I have decided to dub the "slave children" section in the preamble an excellent example of insane troll logic (re: tvtropes). Quote:you pause and replay it in your mind, either because you didn't know that someone could be that wrong, or you're not even actually sure what was just said. "It was not meant to be racist or anything. it was just a fact that back in the days of slavery there was usually a husband and a wife...we were not saying at all that things are better for African-American children in slavery days than today." They still don't get it. Amazing. No, I'll give them the credit that they weren't being racist, just unaware of history to a completely baffling degree. The rest of it is slightly less mind melting logic bomb, though laden with some abhorrent agendas.
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:16 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:00 PM
Quote:No signer herein claims to be without past wrongdoing, including that of adultery.
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:59 PM
Quote:Earlier this month, police in Oakland County, Michigan raided a medical marijuana dispensary in the town of Oak Park. The deputies came in with guns drawn and bulletproof vests, with at least one wearing a mask. They made no arrests, but they did clean the place out. They confiscated all of the dispensary’s cash on hand and—in a particularly thuggish touch—also took all of the cash from the wallets and purses of employees and patients.
Quote:The rule comes in the wake of a drive-by shooting in May at the Texas Fried Chicken and Pizza restaurant, where an off-duty Newark police officer was killed.
Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:10 AM
Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:33 AM
Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:34 AM
Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Gee; who exactly is surprised? I think they definitely made it up, just out of their "mentality", then had to backtrack. You hear some pretty obviously stupid things come out of politico's mouths. Like the guy a while back who said when things were segregated it wasn't "that bad". It's how a person thinks, in my opinion, and that they elieve everyone thinks the same, until they're caught up short. Thanx for checking that out; I did wonder. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:39 AM
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