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I weep for humanity.
Monday, August 8, 2011 10:07 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Monday, August 8, 2011 10:09 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, August 8, 2011 10:12 AM
Monday, August 8, 2011 10:36 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, August 8, 2011 10:38 AM
BYTEMITE
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:01 AM
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:05 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:15 AM
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:18 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: If I EVER, EVER, EEEVVVER heard a liberal make a valid point, that could be backed up by real-life experience, or even something that could be validated BEYOND a "utopian" vision.. I would actually listen. I may actually agree. But so far. Nothing. Nada.
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Hey m52, How about I post a retort, but its a picture of Obama, or Pelosi, with crosshairs on the sweetspot? Have its underscore say "I want the red mist"? You might want to rethink your little, cute, fake, picture. "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:29 AM
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Well lets see, mine has a illustrated snake and yours would have a real person. I can totally see how those are the same. (For those to slow to catch it, I was being sarcastic in that second sentience.)
Monday, August 8, 2011 11:51 AM
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Monday, August 8, 2011 12:17 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, August 8, 2011 12:21 PM
YINYANG
You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Research suggests that Salon.com is a tabloid site, and that this may be a joke article, perhaps similar to an Onion article. If it is not, then my concern is less about what people believe, and more about the kind of slice of life crap that gets written as "news" these days. What the hell, journalists?
Monday, August 8, 2011 12:35 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If the kid is smart, she'll back the TEA party movement. If not, she'll be a ward of the State, and will never know freedom.
Monday, August 8, 2011 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: It is not a joke, but an essay in a series looking at families in the 21st century. It is not a bad essay. The women talks about the her desire for her daughter to share her politic views but also make up her own mind. People should actually read it. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Monday, August 8, 2011 12:41 PM
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Monday, August 8, 2011 2:06 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, August 8, 2011 2:35 PM
Monday, August 8, 2011 2:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Well, I noticed that Wulf has not been able to discuss any particular point in the essay that causes him to "weep". Which isn't surprising because in order to do that he would have to be able to read with comprehension, understand HIS OWN point of view and relate it to the essay, and then formulate in sentences of more than three words (without using video clips) how his POV differs from that of the essay, and why he feels he is correct.
Monday, August 8, 2011 5:19 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: God forbid my daughter should become like the mean-spirited, greedy, hate-filled bastards we see here.
Monday, August 8, 2011 6:03 PM
Monday, August 8, 2011 6:15 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, August 8, 2011 9:58 PM
KANEMAN
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:27 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:29 AM
Quote: How about I post a retort, but its a picture of Obama, or Pelosi, with crosshairs on the sweetspot? Have its underscore say "I want the red mist"?
Quote: Or you know you could respond to the body of the essay and state problems you have with arguments made within in it.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:30 AM
Quote: This one in particular is meant to spark a conversation; in general, Salon seems to be more about analyzing and discussing than news-making.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:53 AM
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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:23 AM
Quote:What if my daughter grows up to be Democrat? At 12, Lizzie is a Tea Partier like me. But what if one day she embraces the Democratic party, like her grandparents? My parents are Democrats. I'm a conservative. My husband is to the right of your average Bircher. Dinners together walk a tightrope of small talk -- none of us wanting to veer too far in either direction, frightened we'll go careening into a political abyss. Our daughter, Lizzie, is always a safe topic. She's our Switzerland. But I'm not sure how much longer that will last. Lizzie, at 12, is becoming politically aware. She's always been well informed. Not that she had much of a choice. After the 2000 election and before her first birthday, she participated in her first pro-Bush rally. I stuffed her in her bright green baby backpack and headed to Times Square. There, she grinned and drooled as tourists in fanny packs and white tennis shoes yelled mean things at a dozen of us who were protesting the Democrats' election fraud in Florida. Thanks to the Supreme Court, George W. Bush was sworn in -- thus assuring that Lizzie's formative years had ample opportunities for protest. Her favorite was the huge pro-war rally in Central Park, when she was 3. There were balloons and face painting -- and the playground near the park was more exciting than the ones back in Brooklyn, N.Y., where we then lived. Riding the train home, she waved her small paper flag like a sword and chanted, "'Merica! 'Merica!" Then she yawned and asked for her sippie cup. I don't want to indoctrinate my child into the cult of my political beliefs. I want her to make up her own mind. But, since she's a kid, she mirrors our beliefs, as her friends do their parents'. If I were a union thug, an elitist intellectual, an Olbermann-watching left-winger, she would probably share my misguided views. But I'm a pickup-driving capitalist--and therefore so is Lizzie. (Except the driving part -- at 12, she doesn't yet. Thankfully.) It's not like we sit her down with Edmund Burke flashcards or whisper Ann Coulter to her as she sleeps, but we talk a lot at dinner, discussing politics and what's going on not just in our neighborhood or city, but in the world. (We recently chatted about climate change and chocolate eclairs -- and, because my husband is a historian, she probably knows more about Kierkegaard than any other kid her age.) But how to balance the way we view the world with how other people do? How to show her both sides of the political picture? Our family dinners are very different from those when I was a kid. Back then, we didn't discuss politics at the dinner table -- or anywhere else. Our household was more of a dictatorship, with my dad's liberal beliefs reigning supreme. There was no room for dissent and none encouraged. When I was in second grade, I made up my own mind about an election. Our teacher gave us each a copy of the Weekly Reader, which still smelled of fresh newsprint. One story was about the '72 election and we got to vote! I'd checked the box next to Nixon's head. It was a nice head, I'd thought. He looked so smart compared to that McGovern fellow. I skipped to our house, no doubt wearing an outfit like rainbow shift and headband, something that would have fit in more in, say, 1964 San Francisco rather than 1972 Omaha, where we lived at the time. I have no way to prove this scientifically, but I'm pretty sure we were the most liberal family Omaha. While other kids were attending Up With People concerts, we were singing along to the Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar". Dropping my plastic school satchel on the ground, I proudly pulled out the secret ballot to show my parents. "No one in our house votes Republican!" my dad scolded. He was joking, of course, but I still felt ashamed, like I'd just admitted I loved guns or Christian Evangelicals. How could I have been so wrong? I should have voted for McGovern! My parents later did, but he lost. Meanwhile, I slunk off, feeling like I'd committed a crime. I have no idea if I crumbled up that Weekly Reader or if my mom eventually stuffed it in the trash. In my mind, I picture myself crumbling it up, my first foray into politics a horrid mistake. But do my husband and I truly encourage dissent with our daughter? What if Lizzie decides she wants to volunteer for whomever runs on the Democratic ticket in 2012? She'll be in eighth grade then. Would I drive her to help with that campaign? I happily drove all over eastern Pennsylvania when she wanted to canvass for Bush. She held pamphlets as we meandered door to door, encouraging registered Republicans to vote. Would I do the same quite as cheerfully if she supported Obama? I don't think so. But I honestly can't see Lizzie embracing a Democratic candidate. For her, politics is all about values, and for now, at least, she values family and religion. And how to explain "values" and the coded semantics of political language to a kid? During a recent local election, Lizzie and I trawled the voters' guide, which was filled with names and photos of candidates and blurbs about their positions on various issues. One candidate had written she supported "intellectual values." I muttered, "Uh-oh. I'll stay away from her." "But Mom, aren't intellectual values a good thing? Our family is intellectual," she said, puzzled. I tried to explain that those "intellectual values" were often quite different from what our family values. If she someday embraces "intellectual values," the intellectual elites or other left-wing agendas, could it damage my relationship with her? Although I try to understand my parents' political beliefs, I don't. When I see what Newsmax "article" or Wall Street Journal editorial my father "hates" on Facebook, or glance at a photo, taken a few years back, of my folks dressed as Obama and Biden for Halloween, I feel physically sick. Sometimes it's hard to even have simple conversations with them. Even the most innocent pleasantry, like "Nice weather," could spiral out of control if I don't watch what I say. (For the record, they are loving grandparents and are far more gracious than I am about not bringing up delicate topics.) If my dad says, "I bet you guys are happy you're not back east this winter. Climate change has sure screwed things up." I'm tempted to mutter something about the idiocy of climate change, but instead I bite my tongue and say, "Yes, in Portland we don't have to shovel rain." It sometimes seems my parents and I are as divided as Congress, neither side understanding the other's point of view. But when I'm around them, I'm somehow whisked right back to adolescence. I morph into a sullen 16-year-old with no power, whose views are considered childish. I want to engage, to discuss topics calmly with them, but my emotions knock any possibility of cool-headed debate out of the way. All my facts and statistics -- the cornerstone of rational debate -- get gummed together in my mouth by raw emotion and I only manage to get out incoherent raw ravings. And if history is any indication of the future, I'm doomed to repeat myself. I wish I could calmly debate issues like my husband does. Or maybe I should take a lesson from Lizzie. The truth is, she can teach me a thing or two about politics. Instead of getting scorched by the heat of the moment, like I do, she's cool and collected. She listens intently. Then a question she asks will sum up the prejudice of the other side quite succinctly. "Why do Grammy and Grampy want Charlie's lesbian moms to get married? That's not right." And she's right. It's not.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:32 AM
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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Well done, Nix. Well done. (tipping my hat) "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:41 AM
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar:In short.. teach them what you think is right, show them that your ideology works, then let them make their own decision. They will anyways.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:44 AM
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 12:56 PM
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Replace "What if my child grows up to be a Republican?" with, "What if my child grows up to be gay?" (and supporting diatribe) See the "outrage" fly. Hypocrits, all of you liberals. Or. "What if my child grows up to be a Democrat"? You claim to be so "liberal", so "progressive", so "tolerant". Until someone disagrees with you. (Had an idea. I should rewrite the article. "What if my child grows up to be a Democrat?" Use the same type of writing and examples. See what would happen. Can't tho. I have a job. Anyone want to take up the challenge?)
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:54 PM
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Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Everybody indoctrinates their kids in their beliefs one way or another.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:10 PM
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Dunno if we've met before, some people pop in so rarely I don't remember them, but if not, welcome; it's always great to hear a new voice.
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: As for the 'what if my child grows up gay' I can admit that I sincerely hope that my son is not gay, and not because I hate gays, but because in this country being gay is still damned hard. People are blatantly, violently and openly anti gay and I would hate for him to have to deal with that. But whatever happens, I'll love and support him.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:39 PM
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by yinyang: Hardly seems like a good solution, though - to hope that people facing bigotry don't exist, rather than hoping for bigots to go away.
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