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Is Rick Perry the new white knight of the right?
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:28 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:With Republicans expressing general dissatisfaction over the field of presidential candidates so far, Perry's expected entry to the race is considered an effort to galvanize the divided political right behind a contender who can appeal to tea party and Christian conservatives as well as pro-business moderates ..... His entry into the race will shake up the Republican field, putting Perry into direct competition with Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota for core right-wing support. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, if she runs, also would vie for that backing. A new CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday showed 15% of Republican and independent voters who lean toward the GOP picked Perry as their choice for the Republican nomination. ...... Donald Bishop, who spoke to CNN at the Fellowship Baptist Church in Lexington, South Carolina, said he likes what he knows so far about Perry. "I like what he's doing economically in Texas. I like his stance, his belief in Christ," Bishop said. To Democrats, Perry represents an uncannily similar opponent as Bush -- both are Texans who portray themselves as straight-talking conservatives who cherish their Christianity and their country. ..... His appeal to Christian conservatives also is clear. Last weekend, Perry delivered a Scripture-invoking, 10-minute talk at a daylong prayer and fasting event in Houston called "The Response." Leading thousands of worshippers in prayer, Perry called on God's help to comfort Americans reeling from the nation's troubled economy. In an apparent gesture to critics who have accused him of mixing prayer and politics, Perry joked, "God is wise enough not to be affiliated with any political party." His conservative Christian identity considered a likely asset against Romney, who is Mormon. Asked about Romney, Bishop called him "a decent, clean, moral individual," then added, "I do not agree with all his Mormon beliefs, but I would have no problem with him being ..." His voice trailed off without completing the sentence. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/11/perry.gop.appeal/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:42 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:43 PM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:50 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:21 AM
Quote: I'm over being freaked at the thought of one of them actually being our President, time to enjoy the show. Srsly, Jon Stewart and the like must just be loving this election cycle. The hardest part has to be where do you start?
Quote: cranking out bloodthirsty crusader types via catastrophic personality breakdown and abusive pyschology.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:06 AM
Quote:Minnesota Teen Challenge describes itself as a “para-church” ministry that completes the “spiritual restoration” of Minnesotans dealing with drug addiction, yet over the last seven years it’s received more than $10 million in government funds — and twice the Minnesota Legislature has singled the program out for a raise.
Quote:Teen Challenge, an evangelical Christian recovery program connected to the Assemblies of God denomination, is at the center of the debate between the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law & Justice. Lynn referenced in his Beliefnet blogalogue last week a recent article in The Minnesota Independent about the more than $10 million in government funds that the Minnesota Teen Challenge has received over the past seven years. The Minnesota government has also raised federal funding for the Christian organization several times during that time period.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:26 AM
Quote:Frank Vennes Jr., born-again ex con who served on the board of Teen Challenge MN, was a fraudster and money launderer. According to a federal search warrant affidavit, Vennes helped convince five investors to put $1.2 billion into Petters's companies, which won Vennes more than $28 million in commissions. Previously Frank Vennes Jr. had spent five years in prison for charges of illegally selling a firearm, using a phone to distribute cocaine, and money laundering, but claimed to be rehabilitated after finding God. Frank Vennes found guidance from evangelical Christian ministry while in prison and then upon leaving prison found support from the Assemblies of God run residential treatment facility Teen Challenge in Minnesota. The Directors of Teen Challenge MN knew about his previous convictions for money laundering, drug dealing and gun running but they still placed him in charge of financial affairs for Teen Challenge MN and for fund raising activities. Congressman Michele Bachmann had received many thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Frank Vennes, his family and lawyer/lobbyist G. Craig Howse. In a letter to the Office of Pardon Attorney dated Dec. 10, 2007, a year after she was elected, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann wrote requesting a presidential pardon for Frank Vennes Jr., she stated in that letter to then President George W. Bush that Fidelis Foundation was "backed" by Frank Vennes Jr. and Bachmann stated that a Presidential pardon of Vennes would be "good for society"
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PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Monday, August 15, 2011 7:25 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, August 15, 2011 11:08 PM
Quote:It is almost impossible to understate just how much of a "get out of jail free" card Teen Challenge was provided by George W. Bush. Teen Challenge is notable for several reasons. Firstly, it is one of the few groups promoting abusive "kiddie boot camps" that is clearly linkable to a known religious group with documented coercive tactics (to the level that Narconon was linked to the Church of Scientology); secondly, it is a known recipient of federal funds under the "Faith Based Initiatives" program (one of the few abusive facilities of this type to get such funding); thirdly, Teen Challenge acts as a wonderful example of the bad things that can happen when "faith-based" kiddie gulags go completely unregulated. One reason Teen Challenge has likely gotten preferential treatment from Bush is because it is actually an Assemblies of God frontgroup (and a very closely connected one at that--namely, it's technically a division of its youth ministries program focusing on "troubled youth"). The group operates a chain of facilities (including not only ranches but other inpatient facilities similar to the now-closed "Love In Action/Refuge" "degaying" center) across the US and in several other countries. Of note (and in a sign that the Assemblies does operate Scientology or Moonie-style fronts), it does not openly advertise its Assemblies links or the fact it is technically an Assemblies youth ministry but this information is easy enough to find, including on the Assemblies' own website. Teen Challenge has also been the subject of multiple reports of abusive activity--not only spiritual abuse, but physical and mental as well. There are also in fact two expose groups on Teen Challenge--not only a site operated by a Teen Challenge survivor, but a second page detailing additional reports of abuse (and further documentation of the Assemblies linkages). In addition to unlicensed counselors hired at the Texas ranch (an occurence common across Teen Challenge facilities and one which has led to a known child molester being manager of a Teen Challenge facility in Maine), there was evidence of educational neglect (educationally insufficient material) and reports of physical, mental, sexual, and emotional abuse. And such reports are not isolated; Teen Challenge (which is an Assemblies of God frontgroup managed by their youth ministries division which focuses on "troubled youth") has had many reports of abuse at their various facilities including forced missionary activity, possible violation of child labour laws, forcing people to sign over paychecks to Teen Challenge for not joining additional programs, and the abusive use of "discipling and shepherding", and physical abuse and medical neglect including at least inmate suffering a miscarriage who was not referred to appropriate medical care. Teen Challenge has also been listed on one group's listing of abusive "faith based" centers--the same site notes that Teen Challenge's present program has close links to Mel Sembler of Straight, Inc, (via his Drug Free America Foundation).
Quote:Note here that there is practically no non-religious education--no maths, no sciences, pretty much nothing but consistent "How To Be A God Warrior" type stuff. (Yes, there's a reason that even Texas--a state whose educational system has been under severe pressure from dominionists for years--found Teen Challenge's programs to constitute educational neglect.) The work program indicates that people who do not perform sufficiently well will be deprived of food
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