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For Geezer
Monday, August 29, 2011 5:54 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Working-class anger bubbled over at a town hall hosted by Rep. Charlie Bass Saturday, when dozens of organized activists berated the Republican congressman for not helping the job market in his home state. "During the ’90s we could afford to hire members of the community, but now we're barely able to pay ourselves," said Greg Goldberg, a furniture store manager who wore an Obama 2012 cap. "How much longer are we going to be able to do even that if companies continue to get tax breaks while continuing to send our jobs overseas?" Many in the audience - including an organized group that traveled by van to the event - tried to turn the meeting into a rowdy debate as they scoffed at Bass' answers and applauded each other's hostile questions. Bass stood at the podium with his sleeves rolled up and two bottles of water at hand, scribbling down questions on a sheet of paper as he called on even the most defiant questioners. "To what degree did working-class Americans contribute to this crisis?" asked Tess George, a Democrat who said "Wall Street greed" and spending on foreign wars were to blame for the debt crisis. Bass responded that Democrats should share the blame for the struggling economy, saying the president had several years to create jobs. He told the audience the Obama administration's stimulus initiative helped prove that spending would not pull the country out of its economic slump. "We've got to create an environment in which businesses want and can employ people to do real jobs," Bass said. "And my ideas for that - I know you won't like, but they're the only hope, in my opinion that we have at this point - and that is to lower our corporate tax rate so it's competitive –" He was cut off by shouts and groans in the audience. Bass then added Congress would work to make the tax code "simpler and fairer" in the fall. Some of the outspoken opposition said they were members of the American Dream movement, a progressive group that advocates for middle-class workers. At times, Bass would listen to a speaker's question and then say he had already answered with his thoughts. When one questioner became heated, Bass said: "Fair enough, that's your view, not mine." He also pointed out that with 5.2% unemployment, New Hampshire is better off than many other states. At one point a man asked Bass about his thoughts on General Electric, which pays little to no federal taxes and has become the target of liberal ire. "In answer to your question, I don't believe that companies are people," Bass replied, drawing applause from the audience. On the campaign trail, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has attracted notice by saying "corporations are people too" in defense of low tax rates for businesses. Not to be outdone, some conservatives in the audience attacked Bass for signing onto the deal to raise the debt ceiling. One man called Bass' vote on the debt deal "gutless" because it didn't cut enough spending. After an hour of questions, Bass thanked the group and said the back-and-forth gave him "renewed vigor and optimism" about the electorate. "I welcome you to come and I appreciate the fact that you're here," he said. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/27/organized-opposition-dominates-bass-town-hall/#more-172625
Monday, August 29, 2011 6:05 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Monday, August 29, 2011 6:18 AM
Monday, August 29, 2011 12:55 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, August 29, 2011 1:18 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Monday, August 29, 2011 1:39 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: And I'm going to try very hard not to respond to what I'm sure will come from you on this.
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, August 29, 2011 1:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Suggesting to Geezer that U.S. military bases are legitimate targets for our enemies to attack tends to bring the worst out in him, though.
Monday, August 29, 2011 1:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Suggesting to Geezer that U.S. military bases are legitimate targets for our enemies to attack tends to bring the worst out in him, though. Mike, your trollskin is showing. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Monday, August 29, 2011 1:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Suggesting to Geezer that U.S. military bases are legitimate targets for our enemies to attack tends to bring the worst out in him, though. Mike, your trollskin is showing. "Keep the Shiny side up" Awwww, looks like I touched a nerve. Or a troll. "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Monday, August 29, 2011 2:00 PM
Monday, August 29, 2011 4:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Not mysterious at all; quite predictable, in fact. For all his vitriol towards me and posting about leaving in a snit, he still can't help but dance when I play a tune.
Monday, August 29, 2011 4:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Not mysterious at all; quite predictable, in fact. For all his vitriol towards me and posting about leaving in a snit, he still can't help but dance when I play a tune. So you're pretty much admitting you're a troll. Such a surprise. You want to actually discuss stuff in a thread, I'll do so. You want to be a troll in a thread, I'll call you one and ignore you. In this thread, you're a troll. Bye. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Monday, August 29, 2011 4:58 PM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:00 AM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:04 AM
Quote:I have issues with his answers, b/c frankly, he lied a few times. 'Bravely' facing a hostile audience with propaganda is not an honorable thing. And I fault the audience for not calling him on them.
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:05 AM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:45 AM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:36 PM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:42 PM
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: [BGeezer, you didn't--to the best of my recollection--state that it was only that the article wasn't even handed in the other thread (if we're talking about the Republican's "pay-per-view" argument); if you did, you went FAR beyond that.
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:57 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Tax breaks ? It's the tax INCREASES and ridiculous over regulation in the first place that are sending jobs over seas. The inability of the Left to comprehend basic economics and the free market can't be this bad. No way. There must be an overt attempt to sound stupid and lie about what's going on here, by the Left, to try to sway people's opinions. It's the only logical conclusion. The Left has no real ideas, nothing but more of the same train wreck that's keeping us from recovery, and they don't want folks to wake up and see the light. Hopefully, astro-turffed stunts like these will only hasten Barry's exit from the White House, and remove enough socialist loving Dem scum from power. " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:18 PM
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Tax breaks ? It's the tax INCREASES and ridiculous over regulation in the first place that are sending jobs over seas.
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:30 AM
Quote:Nowhere does the article state they don't hold town hall meetings at all. In fact, per the article, Rep Ryan will "... host telephone town hall meetings but no free events in person during the recess, spokesman Kevin Seifert said. Seifert said Ryan is also “holding business tours and office hours throughout the recess.”, so folks apparently have access to him. Also, the concept that a person interested in confronting their representative would be dissuaded by a $15.00 charge for a chicken dinner seems a bit unbelievable.
Quote:They were so "Un-American" as Nancy Pelosi branded them. Interesting how, in your view, if Democrats are hassled it's an un-American plot, but if Republicans are hassled it's free speech. Double standard, perhaps?
Quote: I gotta admit, rebranding fundraisers as 'pay-per-view' when Republicans hold them is pretty spinny.
Quote: Wow. Quote an article that's pretty much a plagarized version of the Politico article....
Quote:The Politico article is a political hatchet job; something for all the liberal outlets to pick up, change a word here or there, and push out to the faithful. It takes the fact that some Republicans aren't holding in-person town hall meetings during four weeks of the August recess and trys to turn it into a massive conpiracy to silence opinion or dissent. And the faithful ovrlook it's obvious bias in writing and sources and just lap it up.
Quote: If you spin much faster, you're gonna distort local gravity
Quote:Anyone with PN's brain perhaps. Business groups and civic associations have been asking congresspersons (Democrat and Republican) to speak for a century or more, but, to you, if it's Republicans, its suddenly a conspiracy. .... Any you're being paranoid. And of course you believe the drivel from the liberal feel-good sites, but completely ignore the NY Times article about Democrats doing the same, or worse. Hope you enjoy the Kool-aid.
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:42 AM
Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Geezer, in my opinion you are mischaracterizing what happened.
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