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Mississippi Voters Defeat Anti-Choice "Personhood" Amendment
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:05 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:18 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:27 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:31 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: I'd respond but haven't we been forbidden to discuss this topic?
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I'd rather this was settled out in full, rather than put off for another time.
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:59 PM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:49 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 5:02 AM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 5:35 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:59 AM
Quote:Abortion opponents say they're still pursuing life-at-fertilization ballot initiatives in six other states after Bible Belt voters in Mississippi defeated one Tuesday. The "personhood" proposal was intended to prompt a legal challenge aimed at overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that established a legal right to abortion. Keith Mason is co-founder of Personhood USA, which pushed the Mississippi measure. The Colorado-based group is trying to put initiatives on 2012 ballots in Florida, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Nevada and California. Voters in Colorado rejected similar proposals in 2008 and 2010. Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the initiatives represent an "extreme, dangerous and direct assault" on abortion rights. Mason told The Associated Press that Personhood USA might revive efforts for another ballot initiative in Mississippi. Speaking of the failure in Mississippi on Tuesday, Mason said, "it's not because the people are not pro-life. It's because Planned Parenthood put a lot of misconceptions and lies in front of folks and created a lot of confusion." Planned Parenthood Federation of America said in a statement: "Mississippi voters rejected the so-called 'personhood' amendment because they understood it is government gone too far, and would have allowed government to have control over personal decisions that should be left up to a woman, her family, her doctor and her faith, including keeping a woman with a life-threatening pregnancy from getting the care she needs, and criminalizing everything from abortion to common forms of birth control such as the pill and the IUD." The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of Mississippi voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted. The measure divided the medical and religious communities and caused some of the most ardent abortion opponents, including Republican Gov. Haley Barbour, to waver with their support. Opponents said the measure would have made birth control, such as the morning-after pill or the intrauterine device, illegal. More specifically, the ballot measure called for abortion to be prohibited "from the moment of fertilization" — wording that opponents suggested would have deterred physicians from performing in vitro fertilization because they would fear criminal charges if an embryo doesn't survive. Opponents also said supporters were trying to impose their religious beliefs on others by forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies, including those caused by rape or incest. Amy Brunson voted against the measure, in part because she has been raped. She also has friends and family that had children through in vitro fertilization and she was worried this would end that process. "The lines are so unclear on what may or may not happen. I think there are circumstances beyond everybody's control that can't be regulated through an amendment," said Brunson, a 36-year-old dog trainer and theater production assistant from Jackson. Buddy Hairston, 39, took his 8-year-old triplets to a precinct outside Jackson to hold signs supporting the initiative. "Unborn children are being killed on a daily basis in our state and country, and it's urgent that we protect them," said Hairston, a forestry consultant. Mississippi already has tough abortion regulations and only one clinic where the procedures are performed, making it a fitting venue for a national movement to get abortion bans into state constitutions. The state's largest Christian denomination, the Mississippi Baptist Convention, backed the proposal through its lobbying arm, the Christian Action Commission. "We mourn with heaven tonight over the loss of Initiative 26, which would have provided the hope of life for thousands of God's unborn babies in Mississippi," said the commission's director, the Rev. Jimmy Porter. "Instead the unborn in Mississippi will continue to be led down on a path of destruction to horrible deaths both inside their mothers and in laboratories." The bishops of the Episcopal Diocese of Mississippi and the General Conference of the United Methodist Church opposed the initiative. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2099013,00.html the intention wsa to get it to the Supreme Court, apparently. Gawd, what a thought; I'll be very, very frightened that the current Supremes will overturn Roe v. Wade. Apparently we learned nothing from prohibition. The war is never over, as we all know...
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:06 AM
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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:55 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: This being defeated sounds like a good thing, but it only means they can keep coming over and over and over for years or decades. It is a postponement of a battle, not a victory. At least, that's how I see it. --Anthony _______________________________________________
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:59 AM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:17 AM
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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:58 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:20 PM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:56 PM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:54 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:21 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: "do we really wanna hash this out all over again?"
Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:27 PM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:02 PM
Quote:Election 2011: A Victory for the Silent Majority Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/09/election-2011-a-victory-for-the-silent-majority/#ixzz1dLXml5VlI’m out here for the deathless drama and schoolyard hijinks that attend each and every Republican debate and, wandering the spin room, I came upon NBC’s Chuck Todd who made a very good–and sort of flattering–political point: last night’s election results reaffirmed the mood that I encountered on my recent road trip. It was a victory for the sensible center. Now, I know that assorted progressives are crowing about the defeat of Mississippi’s attempt to pass an excessive anti-abortion law, and the defeat of Ohio’s attempt to pass an excessive anti-union law, and the successful recall of Arizona’s excessively anti-immigrant Senator Russell Pearce, and dozens of anti-excessive local results around the country. That’s to be expected and it’s justified: the far right lost big last night. But I’m not convinced that this is good news for the left. A more moderate anti-abortion law might have passed in Mississippi; in Ohio, people didn’t want the public employee unions busted, but I’m not sure they want to continue funding gold-plated union pension plans or allowing work rules that prevent school reform; in Arizona, as in much of the rest of the country, there are mixed feelings about the (waning) tide of illegal immigration. In sum, I would suspect that we’ve gone about as far right on those issues as we can go. It will be interesting to see whether the Republicans clotting the stage at Oakland University will get this message. The day of the screamers is passing. It’s time for pragmatism, compromise and sanity to regain its place at the heart of the American political system. http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/09/election-2011-a-victory-for-the-silent-majority/ it be loverly...
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