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Alabama Immigration Law Gets Bad Press

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:25 AM

ANTHONYT

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/23/after-execs-arrest-st-louis-paper
-slams-alabama-immigration-courts-mercedes/?hpt=hp_t3



Hello,

Alabama authorities arrested a mercedes car executive who was legally in the country but unable to provide the necessary paperwork to prove it from his vehicle. This seems to have cost them some measure of reputation in the eyes of the nation, and we can only imagine that the Germans are not overly pleased with the incident.

I do not think the incident is overblown. If I were a foreigner considering doing business in this country, I would avoid any state where I or my foreign employees may be troubled in this fashion. I suspect that the negative financial impacts to the state from this immigration law will be greater than any boon gained from ridding the state of some of its illegal population.

More saddening to me is the impact on the reputation of the Nation at large. Many foreign people will not make a differentiation between Alabama and other states. They will assume that the entire country is represented by this sample.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner



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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:49 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Having lived many years in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, I feel I am allowed to say this to them:

"Y'all are dumbasses."

Xenophobia is gonna come back and bite you in the ass.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:45 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, and farmers are finding this ain't so good for THEM, either:
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Several states around the nation have enacted laws to crack down on illegal immigration, but farmers left with empty fields are becoming the victims of unintended consequences. And experts say the labor shortage could shrink Georgia's economy by nearly $400 million.

Despite unemployment and a $10.48 hourly rate, which is above $3 more than minimum wage, grower Curtis Rowley can't find enough local workers.

"It would be really nice to walk into town and say we need 15, 20 guys," said Rowley of Cherry Hill Farms. "We end up spending a lot more money because it costs money to bring people from Mexico.

Rowley participates in the federal program called H-2A, which allows foreign workers to enter the United States to make up for the lack of able and willing American workers. However, the H-2A program is not cheap.

To qualify for the program, Rowley had to prove he tried to hire American workers, using advertisements in four local states. He also has to obtain the visas for his workers and cover their transportation and housing. Taking that all into account, Rowley's labor costs have increased by nearly 50 percent.

"You are planning four to six months in advance, and not knowing what Mother Nature is going to give you," Rowley said.
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"There's great value to immigrants as workers, as taxpayers, and one that is much over-looked, as consumers," said Wesley Smith of the Salt Lake Chamber.

Utah has immerged as a leader in immigration reform and will host a Mountain West Summit. Stakeholders from Idaho, Utah, Colorado and Wyoming will meet to discuss the value of immigrants in the U.S. A mayor from Georgia will also speak at the immigration summit to discuss their labor shortage and the impact of the state's new laws.

"I hope they can take a step back and learn the issues and want to really look at the big picture," Rowley said.

As a farmer, Rowley never expected to get caught up in politics, but the future of his farm now depends on immigration reform. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=17807432 all that illegals are used as a political tool, I think in the end the result of cracking down may be disasterous. It's not just that Americans don't WANT to pick crops, either:
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Georgia's tough new immigration laws may have worked too well, says Megan McArdle in The Atlantic: After no undocumented migrant workers showed up for the harvest, Georgia farmers left millions of dollars worth of fruits and vegetables rotting in the fields. Some economists have even pointed out that if the farmers had to hire legal pickers, they'd go bankrupt. But almost everyone is "wildly underestimating what's involved in becoming a skilled picker," McArdle says. If the U.S. actually seals off our southern border, "we will see a lot more ruined crops." Here's an excerpt:
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A lot of commenters (have) suggested alternative labor pools that could be tapped at higher wages: criminals on probation, teenagers bussed from the cities, people on unemployment. Adam pointed out the obvious problem with this theory: Georgia farmers have a low-margin good, and they are competing in a nearly perfectly competitive market with farmers from other states who have cheaper labor. That means that they can't raise their prices to compensate, and they don't have much profit margin to lose. It may well make more economic sense for them to let the crops rot.

Most fruits and vegetables require surprisingly skilled handling (which is why they still use pickers, instead of machines). Bad picking can easily destroy the profit margin on your crop, costing you more than you gain....

The illegal immigrants who harvest our crops have grown up doing this, learning the way my grandparents did. There are almost no Americans left who have either the painfully developed musculature or the painstakingly acquired knowledge to rapidly harvest a field without damaging the crop. And acquiring those skills is tricky, because the picking season for any one crop is very short... after which, it's time to start picking another crop that you don't know how to handle. And it's best done in a group of people who know what they're doing, not in a clueless mob that just got dumped in the fields for the first time.

More at http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/illegal-immgrants-
might-be-undocumented-but-theyre-not-unskilled/241510/
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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:03 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Good points about just how skilled field/farm labor is. Thanks, Niki.

I hope those immigration crackdown states learned their lesson. Xenophobic dumbasses, allo'em.



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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth. -- Lucy Parsons (1853-1942, labor activist and anarcho-communist)

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh yes, and not in good graces with the Anarchists either, who are still grumbling that it's technically ILLEGAL to run the black banner up a pole there...

We had some "fun" with that one, a while back.

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:38 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Question: My grandma has this really good movie that I grew up watching, made by some independent film company so its hard to find. In the story an eleven year old girl becomes best friends with a boy who comes over the border with his family to pick crops every summer and they happen to work at her farm that year. The story takes place in the summer of 65 in Texas and at the end of the summer the workers go back to Mexico and the girl doesn't know whether she'll see him again. So is there still such a thing as something like this, people who are legally allowed to come each year to work for the planting/harvest each year and then go home and then repeat next year? The film is called Friendship's Field in case anyone wants to try and find it. I still enjoy it along with all her other obscure films when I spend time at her house.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:40 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

There is still such a thing, but it is an expensive prospect for the farmers because they are basically paying to have the labor brought in, housed, and then returned.

It is much cheaper to hire labor locally and let them worry about their own transportation and housing.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Maybe we all need to be willing to pay more for produce. Out of curiosity, how young of kids, as in kids who are legally here, are farmers allowed to hire to pick crops these days? When my dad was a boy he would pick berries in the fields from about age 9 or 10 onward. I know that isn't legal anymore, but you'd think that 15 and up would be allowed to do it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 28, 2011 3:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Missouri is trying to woo Mercedes-Benz to move their factory there. They told execs, "We're the 'Show Me State', not the 'Show me your papers state.'"

Smart move on their part.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good for them! I hope they succeed, and AZ keeps getting smacked in the face. Dunno HOW we're ever gonna get real immigration reform, but that ain't it!

Obviously the pols would rather deal with the immigrants themselves than TOUCH the employers (!), but they're already finding out targeting the workers ain't workin' out so well...



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