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Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:08 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:56 PM
HERO
Monday, December 26, 2011 7:35 AM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, December 26, 2011 2:04 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:13 PM
Quote:In the space of three years, the administration has built an extensive apparatus for using drones to carry out targeted killings of suspected terrorists and stealth surveillance of other adversaries. The apparatus involves dozens of secret facilities, including two operational hubs on the East Coast, virtual Air Force cockpits in the Southwest and clandestine bases in at least six countries on two continents.
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:21 PM
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: What you're essentially saying, porcupine, is that Obama has actually built Skynet. Oh dear, we elected Miles Dyson.
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:31 AM
Quote:In sum: the President can kill whomever he wants anywhere in the world (including U.S. citizens) without a shred of check or oversight, and has massively escalated these killings since taking office (at the time of Obama’s inauguration, the U.S. used drone attacks in only one country (Pakistan); under Obama, these attacks have occurred in at least six Muslim countries). Because it’s a Democrat (rather than big, bad George W. Bush) doing this, virtually no members of that Party utter a peep of objection (a few are willing to express only the most tepid, abstract “concerns” about the possibility of future abuse). And even though these systematic, covert killings are widely known and discussed in newspapers all over the world — particularly in the places where they continue to extinguish the lives of innocent people by the dozens, including children — Obama designates even the existence of the program a secret, which means our democratic representatives and all of official Washington are barred by the force of law from commenting on it or even acknowledging that a CIA drone program exists (a prohibition enforced by an administration that has prosecuted leaks it dislikes more harshly than any other prior administration). Then we have this: Quote:Another reason for the lack of extensive debate is secrecy. The White House has refused to divulge details about the structure of the drone program or, with rare exceptions, who has been killed. White House and CIA officials declined to speak for attribution for this article. Inside the White House, according to officials who would discuss the drone program only on the condition of anonymity, the drone is seen as a critical tool whose evolution was accelerating even before Obama was elected. The Most Transparent Administration Ever™ not only prevents public debate by shrouding the entire program in secrecy — including who they’re killing and why, and even including their claimed legal basis for these killings (what Democratic lawyers decried during the Bush years as the tyranny of “secret law”) — but they then dispatch their own officials to defend what they’re doing solely under the cover of anonymity so there is no accountability.
Quote:Another reason for the lack of extensive debate is secrecy. The White House has refused to divulge details about the structure of the drone program or, with rare exceptions, who has been killed. White House and CIA officials declined to speak for attribution for this article. Inside the White House, according to officials who would discuss the drone program only on the condition of anonymity, the drone is seen as a critical tool whose evolution was accelerating even before Obama was elected.
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:59 AM
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:53 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:18 AM
Quote:Still, the New America Foundation, which tracks covert strikes based on news accounts, suggests that the administration is killing fewer innocents than its predecessor; since 2004, the foundation estimates that as many as 20 percent of the fatalities were "nonmilitants," but that in 2010, when drone strikes reached a height of 118 missions, the number was "more like 5 percent." A U.S. official familiar with the details of the program says even those numbers are high; since the beginning of 2009, she says, 180 strikes have killed 1,200 "militants," with only 30 "noncombatants" killed, none since the summer of 2010. The drone is "the most precise weapon in the history of warfare," she says.
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:05 PM
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:19 PM
Quote:No Important Militants Killed ... the attack is said to have killed 82, many of them students
Friday, December 30, 2011 2:58 AM
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