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Friday, March 9, 2012 4:52 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/07/arizona-senate-passes-bill-all
owing-doctors-to-not-inform-women-of-prenatal-issues-to-prevent-abortions
/

Hello,

Please someone tell me that this is not true. A law that allows doctors to withhold information in order to discourage abortions?

It seems too farfetched even for the current crop of 'in your womb' republicans.

Can anyone verify or (hopefully) disprove?

--Anthony



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Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.


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Friday, March 9, 2012 5:18 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


It is very true and very sad.

The only good part is I doubt most doctors would withhold information.

Link to the bill....

http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/553198

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, March 9, 2012 5:25 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

So... to see if I understand this... we've made a law allowing our Doctors to lie to their patients.

All so that they can't make informed decisions about their bodies and lives?

This is diabolical in a Doctor Evil sort of way. People often say hyperbolic nonsense like, "I can't believe this is happening in America!"

But I actually feel that way now.

I need to re-read this law and find some nuance that makes it not evil.

--Anthony


edited to add and
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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Friday, March 9, 2012 7:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Aw, Anthony, I'm sorry. But it's not only very real, it's been going on for a long time now, they just codified it into law:
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A serious but little known problem is putting women’s health and lives at risk: because of their religious beliefs, certain health care providers do not give appropriate treatment to women experiencing serious pregnancy complications. A recent study by Ibis Reproductive Health entitled “Assessing hospital polices & practices regarding ectopic pregnancy & miscarriage management” i adds to the growing evidence that the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services have been applied to deny women experiencing both ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages the treatment and information to which they are legally entitled. The Directives govern Catholic-affiliated hospitals and provide guidance on a range of reproductive health services including surgical sterilization, family planning, infertility treatment and abortion.ii These are cases in which doctors have determined that there is no medical intervention possible that would allow the patient to continue her pregnancy, and delaying care would only endanger the patient’s health or life.

Catholic-affiliated hospitals are governed by the Directives, which provide guidance Most individuals and even many health providers presume that the Directives’ prohibition on the provision of a range of abortion services applies only to non-emergency pregnancy terminations of otherwise viable pregnancies. But the Study is consistent with anecdotal accounts that provide strong evidence that some hospitals and health care providers have interpreted the Directives to prohibit prompt, medically-indicated treatment of miscarriage and ectopic pregnancy, placing women’s lives and health at additional and unnecessary risk, and violating the laws intended to protect patients from such serious lapses in care.

Hospitals are Required by Law to provide the Standard of Care,vi Yet Hospitals Fail to do so Because of their Adherence to the Directives.

• In some of the miscarriage cases described in the Ibis Study, the standard of care requires immediate treatment. Yet doctors practicing at Catholic-affiliated hospitals were forced to delay treatment while performing medically unnecessary tests. Even though these miscarriages were inevitable and no medical treatment was available to save the fetus, some patients were transferred because doctors could still detect a fetal heartbeat or required to wait until there was no longer a fetal heartbeat to provide the needed medical care.

• Methotrexate, a drug used to treat ectopic pregnancies, is the standard of care for some of the cases described in the Ibis Study. Yet several doctors reported that their hospitals have a blanket prohibition on the drug. This means that women for whom methotrexate would be the best treatment option are instead being subjected to unnecessary and invasive surgical treatment.

Hospitals are Required by Law to provide Emergency Care,vii Yet Hospitals Fail to do so Because of their Adherence to the Directives.

• An article in the American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) reports numerous instances of women who suffered delays in receiving stabilizing care for miscarriages at Catholic hospitals. For example, a Catholic hospital refused to provide the uterine evacuation necessary to stabilize a
patient having a miscarriage, saying that it would only give her blood transfusions as long as
there was still a fetal heartbeat. A doctor at a non-sectarian hospital finally agreed to accept the
transfer of the patient, despite the doctor’s concern that the patient was unstable.

• One doctor in the Ibis Study reported “several instances” of potentially fatal tubal ruptures in
patients with ectopic pregnancies.ix This doctor reported that her Catholic hospital subjected
patients with ectopic pregnancies to unnecessary delays in treatment, despite patients’ exhibiting
serious symptoms indicating that a tubal rupture was possible.

Hospitals are Required by Law to Obtain Patients Informed Consent,x Yet Hospitals Fail to do
so Because of their Adherence to the Directives.

• A doctor interviewed in the Ibis Study said she often takes patients aside and reviews all of
their treatment options, including those forbidden by the hospital, even though this level of
disclosure is not allowed. She reported that other physicians at the hospital offer referrals
and information “under the radar” as well.

• The Directives have even been applied to forbid the treatment of a woman who had suffered a
miscarriage, even thought the fetus no longer had a heartbeat. This case provides an additional
example of a patient with a pregnancy complication being denied essential information about her
condition due to a doctor’s restrictive and in this case, blatantly wrong,xi interpretation of the
Directives. In the course of this refusal, the patient was denied adequate information about her
condition, which hindered her ability to seek care at another facility. http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/ibis_factsheet_final.pdf

It's been going on for a long time now--in fact I thought it had been made into law a while back. I KNOW there was one state in which, if a doctor didn't aprise a woman of problems with her pregnancy, the woman was barred from suing the doctor.

This is nothing new, it's merely the next step down a long road which we've been on for quite some time now. I can pretty much guarantee you're not going to find anything in that "law" which mitigates it.



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Friday, March 9, 2012 10:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA


And so, Anthony - you begin to understand the source, the root, of why my hatred for them is such a vast gaping vortex.

They've ALWAYS been like this, you are just now seeing it clearly, is all.
Quote:

“There are two great powers, and they’ve been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit.”

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, March 9, 2012 11:59 AM

OONJERAH



Quote FremdFirma: "There are two great powers, and they’ve been fighting since time began. ..."

But which one will Win?!

      The one that I feed.




             

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Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Uh Oh, that's going too far.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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