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L.A. to outlaw free speech
Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:36 PM
WHOZIT
Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:45 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:55 PM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: If ya can't beat em, ban em.
Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:03 PM
OONJERAH
Friday, March 23, 2012 4:57 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, March 23, 2012 6:18 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 6:37 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Friday, March 23, 2012 6:53 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 7:15 AM
Quote: It's the government telling people what they should and shouldn't say.
Friday, March 23, 2012 8:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: To put it another way- L.A. just issued a resolution asking the Occupy folks to stop protesting.
Friday, March 23, 2012 8:15 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 8:25 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Friday, March 23, 2012 8:51 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 8:56 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:06 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:14 AM
Quote:The Free Speech Movement (FSM) was a student protest which took place during the 1964–1965 academic year on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley. In protests unprecedented in this scope at the time, students insisted that the university administration lift the ban of on-campus political activities and acknowledge the students' right to free speech and academic freedom. Students and others opposed to U.S. foreign policy did indeed increase their visibility on campus following the FSM's initial victory, a major starting point for the anti-Vietnam war movement. The Free Speech Movement had long-lasting effects at the Berkeley campus and was a pivotal moment for the civil liberties movement in The Sixties. Today, Sproul Hall and the surrounding Sproul Plaza are active locations for protests and marches, as well as the ordinary daily tables with free literature from anyone who wishes to appear, of any political orientation. A wide variety of groups of all political, religious and social persuasions set up tables at Sproul Plaza. The Sproul steps, now officially known as the "Mario Savio Steps," may be reserved by anyone for a speech or rally. The Free Speech Monument, commemorating the movement, was created in 1991 by artist Mark Brest van Kempen. It is located, appropriately, in Sproul Plaza. The monument consists of a six-inch hole in the ground filled with soil and a granite ring surrounding that hole. The granite ring bears the inscription, "This soil and the air space extending above it shall not be a part of any nation and shall not be subject to any entity's jurisdiction." Wiki
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:18 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:19 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Wulf, your deliberate ignorance continues to astound me. How on earth you can make the leap to the idea that Californians would somehow eliminate this site (or any other) is totally beyond me. I can't even make that reach...
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Oh, not to mention, do you remember the free speech movement? Guess where THAT started?
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:38 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:44 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 9:49 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Funny how its only one "group" that wants to limit this inborn, freeborn, freedom. With no one left to tell you NO, you could get away with anything. Why you could start killing anyone who you didn't like, force people to be born into taxed-bondage, control what, where, how, when you buy things, control breeding... I'd rather die. No, thats an untruth. I'd rather kill those who would make such a world. "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:01 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:05 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:15 AM
Quote:The Los Angeles City Council called Tuesday for radio outlets to put an end to racist and sexist language on the airwaves. The resolution is a symbolic statement decrying a recent comment by local KFI-AM (640) talk radio hosts John and Ken. Talk radio host Dominique DiPrima of KJLH-FM (102.3) was among a number of speakers in support of the resolution. DiPrima said a lack of diversity among radio hosts contributes to the prevalence of derogatory speech on the airwaves. "Instead of censoring people, or firing people, we want to see representation in terms of hiring and clear standards" she said. Councilman Paul Krekorian said the aim of the resolution was not to stifle free speech, but to seek a greater consensus on what is appropriate speech and to reject what is not. "It's exactly appropriate for this council to speak up against the vile things we hear on the airwaves," he said. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kfi-city-20120322,0,5204752.story other words, the City Council is using THEIR rights to freedom of speech to speak up against what they believe is wrong. Which of course Wulf and Friends wouldn't have, no siree! I'm not crazy about it, but like everyone else (except apparently here) I recognize it's a symbolic statement speaking up against the kind of shit we hear daily on the radio. They've got the right to speak up against it, and nobody had any intent of censoring anyone. Oh, and it's not "one group". A bunch of groups approved of it or encouraged it...I guess THEY don't deserve freedom of speech either. Saw that while reading articles, but not going to bother going back to list them. BEFORE the resolution was even offered, by the way:Quote:After the controversial comments, KFI ordered seven-day suspensions for the popular hosts, saying the station "does not condone, support or tolerate statements of this kind." At the time, the station also made several pledges to increase sensitivity to minorities at the station. Kobylt and Chiampou agreed to take part in "cultural sensitivity training," the station said, "furthering their awareness of the cultural melting pot that is Southern California."Station OWNERS, get it? Predictably, others recognize it for what it is. Comments from one story:Quote:The resolution carries no provision of enforcement. It will never be taken to court nor will any radio stations ever be penalized. It’s just silly drama on the part of the LA City Council to impotently weigh in on Rush Limbaugh’s opinions. ------ Your right politicians love this sort of thing for it gives the appearance of action on their part, without any of the dangers from unintended consequences of actually doing something ----- Exactly. It is just political theater. It’s just like those worthless “Sense of the Senate” resolutions passed in Congress. It carries the legal weight of a hummingbird dropping. ----- L.A. WASTING MORE TAX DOLLARS WITH SUCH GARBAGE RESOLUTIONS. NO POWER OF LAW. NOW POWER OF ENFORCEMENT. WILL NEVER BE TESTED IN COURT. JUST A FEW WASTED COUNSEL MEMBERS TRYING TO KISS SOME ASS.There were numerous comments against the resolution, but most people know it for what it is. Nonetheless, I'm disappointed they passed it. But then, that's L.A.
Quote:After the controversial comments, KFI ordered seven-day suspensions for the popular hosts, saying the station "does not condone, support or tolerate statements of this kind." At the time, the station also made several pledges to increase sensitivity to minorities at the station. Kobylt and Chiampou agreed to take part in "cultural sensitivity training," the station said, "furthering their awareness of the cultural melting pot that is Southern California."
Quote:The resolution carries no provision of enforcement. It will never be taken to court nor will any radio stations ever be penalized. It’s just silly drama on the part of the LA City Council to impotently weigh in on Rush Limbaugh’s opinions. ------ Your right politicians love this sort of thing for it gives the appearance of action on their part, without any of the dangers from unintended consequences of actually doing something ----- Exactly. It is just political theater. It’s just like those worthless “Sense of the Senate” resolutions passed in Congress. It carries the legal weight of a hummingbird dropping. ----- L.A. WASTING MORE TAX DOLLARS WITH SUCH GARBAGE RESOLUTIONS. NO POWER OF LAW. NOW POWER OF ENFORCEMENT. WILL NEVER BE TESTED IN COURT. JUST A FEW WASTED COUNSEL MEMBERS TRYING TO KISS SOME ASS.
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:19 AM
Quote:In other words, the City Council is using THEIR rights to freedom of speech to speak up against what they believe is wrong.
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:21 AM
Quote:So which group du jour do you think you mean?
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:32 AM
Quote:Just as those of another 'type' or 'group' who tried to ban flag burning or various books did not represent the whole of their constituency. I hope that the majority of any 'type' or 'group' would oppose any such censorship, thus countering the real 'type' we all must oppose: People who rail against freedom in any 'group.'
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:33 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 10:36 AM
Quote:Now the the government wants to control free-speech.
Quote:you are now controlled in what you say.
Friday, March 23, 2012 11:21 AM
Quote:Even for a lawyer, you have to see that this is not right.
Friday, March 23, 2012 11:34 AM
Friday, March 23, 2012 11:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Power doesn't come from government. Its people, only people." Just a random thought - Groups are like organisms and the people in them are like cells. Those organisms have life, growth, drives, appetites, and a will to live. The people in them are as unknowing as a kidney cell is, performing their functions in support of the organism.
Friday, March 23, 2012 1:12 PM
Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:13 AM
Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: I notice: Troll Country: Trolls are sent here where they can talk amongst themselves. Trolls are sent to Troll Country, I gather, because they don't voluntarily stay there. The free speech of trolls need not be read by me. Query: When are they sent there? Because to me, Pirate News is a really disgusting troll, not funny. Crazy, yes. No sense of decency.
Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Gawd, Hero, you're as bad as him (and your other cohorts here). The Free Speech Movement--in caps, okay?--started here. The Boston Tea Party wasn't a free speech movement, it was a protest, and protests have gone on all through history. They DID NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH in Boston at that time, or don't you know your history?
Monday, March 26, 2012 9:23 AM
RIONAEIRE
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