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How Well Can You Live on Minimum Wage?
Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:27 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Raise it? Don’t raise it? The state of the minimum wage has long been a hot-button political issue, but in a struggling economy, an election year, and with many states proposing changes, it’s only getting hotter. This month, the New Jersey General Assembly’s Labor Committee approved legislation that would set a minimum wage of $5 an hour by June 2013 for tipped employees (the current rate is the federal minimum of $2.13). Also making headlines is the city of San Francisco, which raised its minimum wage to $10.24 in February?that’s nearly $3 above the federal minimum of $7.25, which hasn’t risen since 2009. Many states, including New York and Massachusetts, are also considering increases, to much praise and outcry. Approximately 4.4 million Americans, or 6 percent of all hourly workers, earned wages at or below the federal minimum in 2010, and workers under age 25 made up about half of them. Many fiscal conservatives and economists argue that an increase could further raise unemployment, while others, especially at the state and local level, claim minimum wage is in serious need of a hike. Even the Republican candidates are divided. Mitt Romney said at a trip to New Hampshire that the minimum wage should naturally raise according to inflation clocked by the Consumer Price Index?and was soon lambasted by radio host Rush Limbaugh. Rick Santorum has also taken flak for supporting a minimum wage increase in a 2006 campaign commercial (Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul are both adamantly opposed.) Since being established at 25 cents in 1938 under the Fair Labor Standards Act, the federal minimum wage has been raised only 22 times. Though it was originally proposed to periodically raise wages along with the increased cost of living, the law that was passed left any increases to Congress and the president. “Congress decided to not tie the minimum to the rate of inflation because they wanted to get credit each year for raising the minimum,” says Stephen J. Rose, senior economist at the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University. The result is an effective decrease in the minimum wage. According to the website EconProph, when inflation is factored in, the federal minimum wage is actually 25 percent lower today than it was in 1968. When it comes to housing costs, for example, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) suggests applying no more than 25 percent of your gross income towards rent. But almost no one earning minimum wage would be able to pay the national median rent using that formula. The jury is still out on whether an increase would also increase unemployment. “Economic theory would seem to indicate that raising the minimum wage would have negative employment,” Rose says. “But when you look at the long term effects, a higher minimum wage increases workers’ earnings over multiple years as they move in and out of the labor force, so the increased pay while working offsets whatever small negative effects there are on employment.” All the talk got us thinking?what is the real power of the minimum wage? The Fiscal Times looked at the minimum wage at the start of each decade from 1950 to 2010, and compared it to average unadjusted prices for two necessities and one indulgence?rent, a gallon of gas, and a ticket to the movie theater?to see how many hours you’d have to work at minimum wage to afford them. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/04/05/How-Well-Can-You-Live-on-Minimum-Wage.aspx#page1 of what minimum wage bought in 1950 compared to 2010 (all figures represent the average cost of a movie ticket, a gallon of gas, and the median rent):Quote:Often looked to as a model era, the 1950s may have been nearly as picture-perfect as Leave it to Beaver seemed to suggest?minimum wage workers could pay rent for a month for less than a week and a half of full-time work?or catch Disney’s Cinderella for just over a half-hour of labor. Minimum wage: $0.75/hour Gas: $0.27 or 22m Movie ticket: $0.48 or 38m Rent: $42 or 56hrs 1960 By 1960, the minimum wage of $1 had not quite kept up with inflation, making rent a bit less affordable?though still not quite two weeks of minimum-wage work. On the other hand, filling up the Corvette was actually relatively cheaper?it took just under twenty minutes of work to get a gallon of gas. Minimum wage: $1/hour Gas: $0.31 or 19m Movie ticket: $0.69 or 41m Rent: $71 or 71hrs 1970 In 1970, the outlook for minimum-wage workers was about as bright as a spinning disco ball. Compared to ten years before, the cost of rent and gas actually decreased. Movie tickets were the one exception?gaining in popularity and breadth (31 movies were released in 1970, compared to just 19 in 1960 and 11 in 1950), the cost of a ticket saw a big hike, and was the equivalent of a near hour of work. Minimum wage: $1.60/hour Gas: $0.36 or 14m Movie ticket: $1.55 or 58m Rent: $108 or 67.5hrs 1980 The beginning of Reagan’s era marked the last in which paying the median rent was semi-feasible on a single minimum-wage income. A minimum wage worker could still pay rent with just under two weeks of work (but that’s still double the ratio that HUD recommends). Of course, if you lived in a more affordable area, you’d be in better shape. In Mississippi, for example, you’d only have to put in 58 hours of work to pay the median rent there. Minimum wage: $3.10/hour Gas: $1.25 or 24m Movie ticket: $2.60 or 50m Rent: $243 or 78hrs 1990 By 1990, renting an average place on minimum-wage pay became near impossible. Employees would need to work 118 hours (that’s nearly 70 percent of gross monthly pay) to get shelter. And entertainment was no easier. You’d have to work over an hour to see Home Alone or Pretty Woman. The one bright spot was gas?prices were actually down from ten years prior, meaning earners only had to put in about a third of an hour of work to afford a gallon. Minimum wage: $3.80/hour Gas: $1.13 or 18m Movie ticket: $4.23 or 1hr, 7m Rent: $447 or 118hrs 2000 By the time George W. Bush got to office, things were no better?though arguably, no worse. With a minimum wage of only $5.15 (it hadn’t raised since 1995, and wouldn’t again until eight years later in 2008) workers still had to work nearly 120 hours to afford median rent and more than an hour for a trip to the cinema. Minimum wage: $5.15/hour Gas: $1.49 or 17m Movie ticket: $5. 39 or 1hr, 3m Rent: $602 or 117hrs 2010 Though the housing crash actually made rent more affordable, minimum-wage workers still had to put in 109 hours of work (or more than 60% of monthly income) in 2010. Of course, in cities like New York, the numbers are much higher. In 2010, the NY-Northern NJ-Long Island area had a median gross rent of $1,125, which equals 155 hours of work. Basically, if you worked full-time, didn’t eat, commute, or pay utilities, and gave nearly every penny to your landlord, you could just make it in the Big Apple. Minimum wage: $7.25/hour Gas: $2.78 or 23m Movie ticket: $7.95 or 1hr, 6m Rent: $790 or 109hrs http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2012/04/04/Minimum-Wage-and-What-It-Buys-You-1950s-to-Now.aspx to put it another way:
Quote:Often looked to as a model era, the 1950s may have been nearly as picture-perfect as Leave it to Beaver seemed to suggest?minimum wage workers could pay rent for a month for less than a week and a half of full-time work?or catch Disney’s Cinderella for just over a half-hour of labor. Minimum wage: $0.75/hour Gas: $0.27 or 22m Movie ticket: $0.48 or 38m Rent: $42 or 56hrs 1960 By 1960, the minimum wage of $1 had not quite kept up with inflation, making rent a bit less affordable?though still not quite two weeks of minimum-wage work. On the other hand, filling up the Corvette was actually relatively cheaper?it took just under twenty minutes of work to get a gallon of gas. Minimum wage: $1/hour Gas: $0.31 or 19m Movie ticket: $0.69 or 41m Rent: $71 or 71hrs 1970 In 1970, the outlook for minimum-wage workers was about as bright as a spinning disco ball. Compared to ten years before, the cost of rent and gas actually decreased. Movie tickets were the one exception?gaining in popularity and breadth (31 movies were released in 1970, compared to just 19 in 1960 and 11 in 1950), the cost of a ticket saw a big hike, and was the equivalent of a near hour of work. Minimum wage: $1.60/hour Gas: $0.36 or 14m Movie ticket: $1.55 or 58m Rent: $108 or 67.5hrs 1980 The beginning of Reagan’s era marked the last in which paying the median rent was semi-feasible on a single minimum-wage income. A minimum wage worker could still pay rent with just under two weeks of work (but that’s still double the ratio that HUD recommends). Of course, if you lived in a more affordable area, you’d be in better shape. In Mississippi, for example, you’d only have to put in 58 hours of work to pay the median rent there. Minimum wage: $3.10/hour Gas: $1.25 or 24m Movie ticket: $2.60 or 50m Rent: $243 or 78hrs 1990 By 1990, renting an average place on minimum-wage pay became near impossible. Employees would need to work 118 hours (that’s nearly 70 percent of gross monthly pay) to get shelter. And entertainment was no easier. You’d have to work over an hour to see Home Alone or Pretty Woman. The one bright spot was gas?prices were actually down from ten years prior, meaning earners only had to put in about a third of an hour of work to afford a gallon. Minimum wage: $3.80/hour Gas: $1.13 or 18m Movie ticket: $4.23 or 1hr, 7m Rent: $447 or 118hrs 2000 By the time George W. Bush got to office, things were no better?though arguably, no worse. With a minimum wage of only $5.15 (it hadn’t raised since 1995, and wouldn’t again until eight years later in 2008) workers still had to work nearly 120 hours to afford median rent and more than an hour for a trip to the cinema. Minimum wage: $5.15/hour Gas: $1.49 or 17m Movie ticket: $5. 39 or 1hr, 3m Rent: $602 or 117hrs 2010 Though the housing crash actually made rent more affordable, minimum-wage workers still had to put in 109 hours of work (or more than 60% of monthly income) in 2010. Of course, in cities like New York, the numbers are much higher. In 2010, the NY-Northern NJ-Long Island area had a median gross rent of $1,125, which equals 155 hours of work. Basically, if you worked full-time, didn’t eat, commute, or pay utilities, and gave nearly every penny to your landlord, you could just make it in the Big Apple. Minimum wage: $7.25/hour Gas: $2.78 or 23m Movie ticket: $7.95 or 1hr, 6m Rent: $790 or 109hrs http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2012/04/04/Minimum-Wage-and-What-It-Buys-You-1950s-to-Now.aspx to put it another way:
Saturday, May 5, 2012 5:16 AM
WISHIMAY
Saturday, May 5, 2012 5:24 AM
WHOZIT
Saturday, May 5, 2012 8:19 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, May 5, 2012 1:47 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: I think you need to change the system so that only millionaires appear to be able to get themselves elected in the first place.
Monday, May 7, 2012 5:28 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, May 7, 2012 6:06 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: I think you need to change the system so that only millionaires appear to be able to get themselves elected in the first place. Wha? Are trying to say it seems only millionares are elected, or that only millionares SHOULD be? 'Cause that last one is scary... And yeah, it does seem only rich people get elected...The rest of us are too busy chasing meals and rent...and sanity...I've always said "Anyone who WANTS ta make rules for other people is not firing on all thrusters!" I'm not sure you could pay me enough to do that.
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:50 AM
Quote: Originally posted by AURaptor: Or, you could do what I did. Work 3 jobs until you find something that pays better and or which you enjoy doing. Life isn't a guarantee. Nothing is. No one owes you a damn thing.
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:41 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No one got 'rich' by working for minimum wage, twice that.
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:55 AM
ESTEAD
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: No one said that, you fuckwit.
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:59 AM
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:35 PM
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:44 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:54 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:was the biggest upset this board has had in a while, I'm thinking of what earth shattering experiment to do next, just to see what will happen if I do, given the rous that ensued, who knows what lurks after my next sojourn into stirring the pot.
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