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Eric Holder Integrates Church and State
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:24 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: In yet another example of Eric Holder gone wild, the top law enforcement officer in the nation will join members of the Congressional Black Caucus, IRS officials, ACLU attorneys and clergy from the Council of National Black Churches "to discuss ideas to combat the wave of new voter ID laws existing around the country." Can anyone imagine a Republican Attorney General of the United States counseling white churches on voting rights? CBC Chairman Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) said the May 30 summit will advise hundreds of pastors from nine different denominations on the best way to educate their parishioners on the new rules. We will have attorneys there who are well-equipped to provide the guidance to the clergy members. They will understand, before they leave, about some of the new laws in certain states designed - as we interpret them - to reduce the turnout. The day is over when they could just stand in the pulpit and say 'Go vote. It's your duty.' They've got to now be equipped with some sophisticated information to help inspire a turnout and protect parishioners from some of the schemes that are out there. The attack on voting rights is not only coordinated, it is dangerous and it is the worst we've seen since Jim Crow. Given the immense challenge before us, the CBC has decided to take this matter into our own hands and this time we are working with the Black Church, which has diligently served our community for over 200 years fighting for freedom, justice, and equality when African Americans had nowhere else to turn". AG Holder will be the keynote speaker at the all-day conference on Wednesday. Here are some of the topics on the schedule: The Problem: State of Voting Rights in the USA Nicole Austin-Hillery, Director and Counsel, Brennan Center for Justice NYU School of Law Marcia Johnson-Blanco, Co-Director, Voting Rights Project, Lawyers Committee Deborah J. Vagins, Senior Legislative Counsel, ACLU Protecting Your Tax Exempt Status: Conversation with IRS 2:00 PM "Protecting Your Tax Exempt Status" Conversation with IRS Q&A IRS Commissioner Douglas H. Shulman IRS Religious Activities Voting Rights Call to Action Moderator: The Honorable Marcia Fudge, 11th District Ohio Cindy Smalls, Voter Protection Manager, AFL-CIO Jamie Harrison, Principal, Podesta Group Adwoa Ansah, President and CEO, Faith Link Rev Tony Lee, Pastor, Community of Hope Jeff Johnson, Political Analyst, MSNBC IRS Northeast Area Manager, Peter Lorenzetti During a House subcommittee hearing last spring Rep. John Culberson of Texas accused Holder of refusing to prosecute members of the Black Panther Party. The AG took offense insisting "his Department of Justice does not enforce the law in a race-conscious way." Is helping black pastors to get the vote out -- all on the taxpayer's dime I might add -- not being "race conscious?" And how about that pesky separation of church and state violation? http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/eric_holder_integrates_church_and_state_in_anti-voter_id_pushback.html#ixzz1wNVWfj7s
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:39 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:There is NO constitutional right for the citizens to vote for the President of the United States. It's true, there is NONE.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:44 AM
Quote: Since every state has choosen to assign their electors by popular vote people do indeed have the right to vote for president. Not to mention that there will be more than the presidental race on the ballet.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:01 AM
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: It sounds like the Jutice Department is ensure people can exercise that right.
Quote: U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's top law enforcement officer, told a gathering of black church leaders on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., that laws requiring citizens to show a photo I.D. before voting were a threat to voting rights. He said such laws place "an unfair burden on non-white voters."
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:31 AM
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Non-whites are not looking for a free pass. The fact is that ID requirements and other such laws disproportionately affect blacks and other minorities. Until I moved to Florida I never once had to show my ID to vote in New York State.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No they don't. Blacks and other minorities have the same access, the same ability to get IDs as anyone. And most state IDs can be issued, free of charge. Claiming 'non whites' are at some imaginary disadvantage is a trumped up fallacy. This is an overt attack by the AG , to politicize this election year, as much as possible. It's beyond disgusting.
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It's an overt effort by the GOP to politicize voting rights this year.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:56 PM
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Not requiring ID's would also make the requirements equal.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rule # 39: There is no such thing as coincidence.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:31 PM
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Still not seeing the whole "integration of church and state" part of this story.
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:00 PM
PIRATENEWS
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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:27 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And you've been utterly unable to make your case. Guess there's nothing to this story after all.
Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And you've been utterly unable to make your case. Guess there's nothing to this story after all. There's everything to this story, and it's all that you're conveniently ignoring, out of pure , juvenile spite. The AG shouldn't be politicizing ANYTHING, and yet he's speaking to exclusively Left wing groups, BLACK church leaders....he's not even hiding his bias, or pretending to be neutral on the issue. Holder is , once again, politicking, from the office of AG that should be looking out for everyone, not catering to his party's platform.
Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Yes. It would. For illegals and dead voters, everywhere.
Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:23 AM
CAVETROLL
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rule # 39: There is no such thing as coincidence.
Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: If a state has a Republican majority, then why do they want to require IDs? To keep the leftists, like you, from rigging the election with graveyard voters.
Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The voter ID laws are addressing a problem which simply does not exist.
Friday, June 1, 2012 1:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Actually, it does exist, and has been shown to exist, time and time again. Which is the reason why it's being addressed.
Friday, June 1, 2012 1:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Actually, it does exist, and has been shown to exist, time and time again. Which is the reason why it's being addressed. Really, show me massive cases of voter fraud. Don't bother to mention ACORN because that was registration fraud and was caught because of the verification system. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, June 1, 2012 6:20 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, June 1, 2012 6:49 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 9:37 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It might not be a "massive" case, but Indiana's Secretary of State, a Republican, was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud this year.
Quote:Photocopying on the petitions was so rampant that one sheet with 15 signatures was copied once or in some cases two times with the duplicates mixed into the stack. In those cases, 15 signatures would be turned into 30 or 60. The difference between the copies would be changes to the petition identification number and in some cases a different petition circulator's signature. The overt copying is "frankly unheard of," said Chris Thomas, Michigan's director of elections, as he thumbed through the stack of petitions Tuesday. "It's amazing when you sit and look, and it starts to dwell on you what they've done."
Friday, June 1, 2012 9:47 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 10:09 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 10:47 AM
Quote:A government official is trashed because he's trying to HELP legitimate American citizens utilize their right to vote...
Friday, June 1, 2012 10:49 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 11:05 AM
Friday, June 1, 2012 11:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Nah, those don't affect Republicans getting more and more power; and they're useful in insisting we're a "Christian" nation, so Christians (certain GROUPS of Christians, that is) should always get preferential treatment. Careful, or they'll claim you're waging a "War on Money"!
Friday, June 1, 2012 3:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Meanwhile, I wonder if Rappy will join a movement to remove "in god we trust" from our money, and get the "under god" part stricken from the Pledge of Allegiance, since both of those were late add-ons that were never intended to be there in the first place.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Actually, it does exist, and has been shown to exist, time and time again. Which is the reason why it's being addressed. Really, show me massive cases of voter fraud. Don't bother to mention ACORN because that was registration fraud and was caught because of the verification system.
Quote: Originally posted by Kwicko: Meanwhile, I wonder if Rappy will join a movement to remove "in god we trust" from our money, and get the "under god" part stricken from the Pledge of Allegiance, since both of those were late add-ons that were never intended to be there in the first place.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:A government official is trashed because he's trying to HELP legitimate American citizens utilize their right to vote... Thing is, right-wing idiots like Rappy keepy trying to insist that legitimate American citizens HAVE no right to vote.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It might not be a "massive" case, but Indiana's Secretary of State, a Republican, was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud this year. Rappy seemed to feel there was nothing to it, though. Imagine that.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 5:01 AM
Saturday, June 2, 2012 5:44 AM
Quote:a jury found Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White (R) guilty on six felony counts of voter fraud, theft, and perjury. The conviction cost White his job.
Quote:The chief election official in the very first state in the nation to implement polling place Photo ID restrictions --- under the guise of preventing "voter fraud" --- has been found guilty of three counts of felony voter fraud today. In an early morning verdict following 12 hours of deliberation, a jury in Hamilton County found Indiana's Republican Secretary of State Charlie White guilty of three counts of voter fraud related to having voted in a precinct where he did not live and where he was illegally registered to vote. The Hoosier State's controversial first-in-the-nation Photo ID restrictions, originally implemented in 2008, did nothing to prevent either White's illegal registration or his unlawful vote for himself as Secretary of State in 2010 when he was elected to office. Of the seven criminal felony counts White had been charged with in March of 2011, the jury also found him guilty of three other Class D felonies related to perjury and theft.
Quote:An Indiana tea partier filed voter fraud allegations against Lugar last December, claiming his official residency is now in Virginia and that he has committed fraud each time he has voted since selling his Indianapolis home in 1977. Hoosiers for Conservative Senate, a tea party umbrella group backing Mourdock, planned to petition Gov. Mitch Daniels Thursday to act on the complaint. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/wsbt-indiana-tea-partiers-challenge-lugar-residency-20120215,0,7251000.story, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News. An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters. Las Vegan Eric Russell worked for a company called Voters Outreach of America, along with 300 other people. He says he witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats. "They were thrown away in the trash. I grabbed them out," said Eric Russell. One of those forms belonged to Daren Gray, who was shocked to learn that the re-registration form he filled out was never turned in. The FBI confirms that it is gathering information about the case. Secretary of State Dean Heller issued a statement that his office is also taking a look, trying to figure out what if any laws might have been violated. Voter Outreach of America is being paid by the National Republican Party. The Republican National Committee acknowledges that it hired Voters Outreach of America to register voters, but in a statement said it had zero tolerance for any kind of fraud. However, similar problems have been alleged elsewhere. In Washoe County, the registrar says he too has turned over information to the FBI about Republican backed registration efforts. In Oregon, the same company that was operating here has been criticized for its tactics in signing up voters. There, it used the name America Votes, which is actually the name of a Democratic organization. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/2421595/investigation-into-trashed-voter-registrations, Florida: Mark Anthony Jacoby of Young Political Majors (YPM), who also ran JSM LLC with Jenny Breslin, who herself was the subject of a criminal investigation in Ohio for voter registration fraud for turning in registrations with forged signatures, faced charges of serious impropriety in Arizona and Florida for trashing Democratic voter registrations and switching party registrations on an estimated 4,000 students from Democrat to Republican. Tens of thousands of voter registrations were thrown in the trash, and voters told they were signing petition for cheaper gas but in reality, they were signing a petition to put Ralph Nader on the ballot. http://www.politicususa.com/arizona-chases-birtherism-ignorning-republican-voter-fraud.html of these are unquestionably voter REGISTRATION fraud, it's nonetheless election fraud if "tens of thousands" of people who registered show up to vote and find they're NOT registered. That's different from fake registrations which will never actually show up to vote.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 6:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It might not be a "massive" case, but Indiana's Secretary of State, a Republican, was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud this year. Rappy seemed to feel there was nothing to it, though. Imagine that. There WAS nothing to it. The issues was his place of residency, not tampering with votes, as you'd like folks to believe.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Gotta love the pre-qualifiers. Show me! But don't include ACORN,and make sure they're " massive ", other wise I won't acknowledge there's any issue in the first place.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Gotta love the pre-qualifiers. Show me! But don't include ACORN,and make sure they're " massive ", other wise I won't acknowledge there's any issue in the first place. ...all because disenfranchising people and making everyone jump through hoops to vote is not worth it to address a few cases that would not affect an election result. As far as ACORN, as I said it was registration fraud, not voter fraud. There is a difference. The voter ID laws would not have helped against the ACORN case. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:48 AM
Quote:There is NO constitutional right for the citizens to vote for the President of the United States. It's true, there is NONE.
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