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DOJ says it will sue Florida over voting rolls purge
Monday, June 11, 2012 4:07 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: In the latest volley in the ongoing battle over Florida voter lists, the Justice Department has sent a letter stating it will take legal action against the state, citing violations of voting rights laws. "Because the State has indicated its unwillingness to comply with these requirements, I have authorized the initiation of an enforcement action against Florida in federal court," said Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Thomas Perez. The lawsuit comes after the department began questioning the legality of the state's so-called voter purge program, which would remove names from Florida's voter rolls months before the 2012 presidential election, when Florida will play a key role as a battleground state with a large chunk of electoral votes. Florida's move to eliminate non-eligible voters from its lists began after the state's Republican governor, Rick Scott, pressed the state to identify non-U.S. citizens who had registered to vote illegally. Using information from Florida's Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, the state identified more than 100,000 names of non-eligible voters that could potentially be on the lists illegally. Critics say the plan unfairly targets minorities, and paint it as an attempt to dissuade typically Democratic voters from going to the polls. While the Justice Department notes that states can legally remove non-eligible voters from their lists, the letter Monday argues that the Florida program does not comply with legal standards has "critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse eligible voters." The letter states that the Florida program improperly uses the information collected from old driver's license applications. "The information is often going to be outdated, as a number of persons will subsequently have become citizens and lawfully registered to vote," Perez wrote. It also suggests that the removal process has been going on during a "90-day quiet period" prior to the August 14 primary election. "Please immediately cease this unlawful conduct," the letter states. Three of the state's largest counties - Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach - agreed last week to end the removal of the names. The legal counsel for Florida's county election officials recommended halting the purge of names until the state responded to the federal government's legal assessment. Florida's Republican-appointed secretary of state, Ken Detzner, has previously defended the state's practice. "It is an unfortunate but now undeniable fact that Florida's voter rolls include individuals who are not citizens of the United States. The Florida Department of State has a solemn obligation to ensure the integrity of elections in this State," Detzner wrote in the letter last week addressed to T. Christian Herren, head of the Justice Department's elections unit. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/11/doj-says-it-will-sue-florida-over-voting-rolls-purge/: HAH! Like this has ANYTHING to do with potential "illegal voters", or that any thinking person in the country believes it does for a minute! Let's hope they can stop them...in time! If the DOJ sues, does that mean the purge is suspended until the outcome of the lawsuit, or do they get to go right on doing it, thereby handing the Republicans a SECOND election? Apparently Florida gave 'em the finger. From the letter: Quote:Based on your June 3, it appears that the state of FLorida is unwilling to conform its behavior to the requirements of federal law.Letter at http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/11/doj.pdf
Quote:Based on your June 3, it appears that the state of FLorida is unwilling to conform its behavior to the requirements of federal law.Letter at http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/11/doj.pdf
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:40 AM
CAVETROLL
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:11 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:12 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: So, Holder's DOJ wants illegal immigrants on the voting rolls. Yeah, no conflict of interest there.
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:18 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: So, Holder's DOJ wants illegal immigrants on the voting rolls. Yeah, no conflict of interest there. Nice quick draw with the BS talking point.
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:45 AM
BLUEHANDEDMENACE
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:53 AM
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:45 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: So, Holder's DOJ wants illegal immigrants on the voting rolls. Yeah, no conflict of interest there. Nice quick draw with the BS talking point. And who should know better than you?
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:50 AM
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:53 AM
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:00 AM
Quote:Actually, even the legislature - which is Republican - is tired of his antics. Thus far, he has cost the state over $25 million in outside legal fees to defend this series of illegal and unconstitutional actions. This is not a liberal-conservative thing. This is a governor with zero respect for the Florida and US Constitutions. His approval ratings are around 35%, which is way below what he won the governorship with. Among those on the voter purge list he came up with is a Brooklyn born 91 year old decorated World War I veteran who was required to prove his citizenship. The entire purge list is based on 2 year old DMV records. And the guy put in charge of it by Scott? Ken Dentzler, whose last job was lobbyist for the beer industry. And don't forget the reduction of early voting time. Yet he rejected any review of absentee ballot procedures even though that is where fraud is most likely to happen. Plus the voter registration constraints, which included a $1000 fine PER FORM turned in late. Note that the time constraint would do nothing to prevent a fraudulent registration. In fact, it would speed it up. John Fund has no idea what he is talking about, since only Florida has such restrictions. How many voters illegally voted in Florida over the last twenty years based on this nonsense? 5. Note that not one of the county elections supervisors will cooperate with this nonsense, and the majority of them are Republicans. As far as anyone can tell, his job creation plan is to keep getting the state sued, thus creating more jobs for outside law firms. We may have had worse governors, but not since Napolean Boneparte Broward, who wanted to drain the Everglades and give it to his developer friends. Unless you live here, you really have no idea what this clown is up to. And I voted for Jeb twice. I wish we could have him back.
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:37 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: I'm all for people who aren't legally here not being able to vote, but there's got to be a better way than this, this is out of hand and causing trouble for more legal voters than illegal ones. I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:48 PM
Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:52 AM
Quote:Ushered in amid promises that it would save taxpayers money and deter drug users, a Florida law requiring drug tests for people who seek welfare benefits resulted in no direct savings, snared few drug users and had no effect on the number of applications, according to recently released state data. Because the Florida law requires that applicants who pass the test be reimbursed for the cost, an average of $30, the cost to the state was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test. As a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780. And the testing did not have the effect some predicted. An internal document about Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, caseloads stated that the drug testing policy, at least from July through September, did not lead to fewer cases. “We saw no dampening effect on the caseload,” the document said. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html]
Quote:Governor Rick Scott remained on the offensive Tuesday in his effort to purge noncitizens from Florida’s voter registration rolls. Scott appeared on six morning news programs, including cable news networks, national radio programs and a Tampa morning television program. “We have almost 100 individuals that are registered to vote that are non-U.S. citizens," he told Fox viewers. “Over 50 of them have voted in our elections. I have an obligation to enforce the laws of our land. You don’t get to vote in Florida if you are a non-U.S. citizen.” There are 11.2 million people registered to vote in Florida, according to state statistics. More than 5.4 million residents voted in the 2010 statewide general election. Professor Michael D. Martinez, chair of University of Florida's political science department, said “There seems to be a lot of effort being expended for a small payoff. And it comes at the risk of burdening qualified voters to prove their citizenship and county officials who have to do this with declining budgets.” http://www.thefloridacurrent.com/article.cfm?id=28071142! fifty illegal voters out of 5.4 million voters. Makes sense to me (not!). Oh, by the way, in case nobody noticed:Quote: With Florida in a very ugly stand-off with the Department of Justice over Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s massive voter purge Robert Greenwald reports on how the Koch brothers are bankrolling those voter suppression efforts. The billionaire brothers gave $100,000 donation to a Florida group called Protect Your Vote in 2010. The deceptively-named group was created to fight ballot initiatives designed to guarantee fair redistricting in the wake of excessive gerrymandering by the right. These initiatives, known as Amendments 5 and 6 said that district boundaries couldn’t be drawn to favor a political party, deny minorities equal opportunity, or be gerrymandered. The initiatives passed, as they should. After all, fair redistricting efforts benefit all constituencies, not just specific special interests. So why did the Koch brothers oppose them? Greenwald breaks it down: But who could have opposed such sensible guidelines? Anyone with a vested interest in maintaining control over the political process instead of trusting the public to govern itself. Anyone, that is, who wants to preserve the illusion of public accountability while rigging results behind the scenes — creating suppression in effect, if not in name. Could there be a more apt description of the Koch brothers’ modus operandi? Meddling in the Florida redistricting process isn’t the end of the Koch brothers efforts to buy, cheat and steal their way to an electoral victory in November. They help drive the Voter ID bills pushed by the American Legislative Council (ALEC) which are specifically designed to make it more difficult for vulnerable populations to vote. It’s a deeply disturbing short-term and long-term strategy designed to permanently wrest governing control in states all across the country and it’s well past time they are held accountable for it. http://www.care2.com/causes/koch-bros-help-bankroll-florida-voter-purge.html, what WOULD the right do without Koch money and ALEC legislation-writing? Have to play fair like the rest of us? Heaven forbid! These efforts to suppress Americans' right to vote are absurdly obvious voter-suppression techniques and, in any year where Republicans hadn't manage to get control of state legislatures and governors, wouldh't even have been considered, as well they shouldn't be. They're being instituted for only one reason, and everyone knows it: to give the right even more power over the states (and thus the country as a whole). Whatever you can say about them, nobody ever said they were stupid when it comes to stuff like this (and abortion, and gay marriage, and, and, and). Smaller government my ass!
Quote: With Florida in a very ugly stand-off with the Department of Justice over Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s massive voter purge Robert Greenwald reports on how the Koch brothers are bankrolling those voter suppression efforts. The billionaire brothers gave $100,000 donation to a Florida group called Protect Your Vote in 2010. The deceptively-named group was created to fight ballot initiatives designed to guarantee fair redistricting in the wake of excessive gerrymandering by the right. These initiatives, known as Amendments 5 and 6 said that district boundaries couldn’t be drawn to favor a political party, deny minorities equal opportunity, or be gerrymandered. The initiatives passed, as they should. After all, fair redistricting efforts benefit all constituencies, not just specific special interests. So why did the Koch brothers oppose them? Greenwald breaks it down: But who could have opposed such sensible guidelines? Anyone with a vested interest in maintaining control over the political process instead of trusting the public to govern itself. Anyone, that is, who wants to preserve the illusion of public accountability while rigging results behind the scenes — creating suppression in effect, if not in name. Could there be a more apt description of the Koch brothers’ modus operandi? Meddling in the Florida redistricting process isn’t the end of the Koch brothers efforts to buy, cheat and steal their way to an electoral victory in November. They help drive the Voter ID bills pushed by the American Legislative Council (ALEC) which are specifically designed to make it more difficult for vulnerable populations to vote. It’s a deeply disturbing short-term and long-term strategy designed to permanently wrest governing control in states all across the country and it’s well past time they are held accountable for it. http://www.care2.com/causes/koch-bros-help-bankroll-florida-voter-purge.html, what WOULD the right do without Koch money and ALEC legislation-writing? Have to play fair like the rest of us? Heaven forbid! These efforts to suppress Americans' right to vote are absurdly obvious voter-suppression techniques and, in any year where Republicans hadn't manage to get control of state legislatures and governors, wouldh't even have been considered, as well they shouldn't be. They're being instituted for only one reason, and everyone knows it: to give the right even more power over the states (and thus the country as a whole). Whatever you can say about them, nobody ever said they were stupid when it comes to stuff like this (and abortion, and gay marriage, and, and, and). Smaller government my ass!
Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, Mike, I loved--I think it was--Jon Stewart's comment about how "I'm sure tons of illegal aliens, afraid of being deported, show up to vote".
Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:26 AM
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