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Obama lied, Freedom died.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Obama scolds George that ObamaCare isn't a tax.



Barry, it's a tax.


Congress called the payment a penalty, not a tax, but Roberts said the court would not get hung up on labels. Among other indications it is a tax, Roberts said, "the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation."

"Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness," Roberts said.



Basically, what Justice Roberts did was grade Barry's work , and instead of giving him an F, he simply changed Barry's argument, so that it fit in with what would allow the Court to pass this abomination, and save Barry's marxist ass.

My guess is, this isn't the first time a teacher has 'fixed' Barry's work, and given him a passing grade.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:43 PM

WHOZIT


He just poked the "Tea Party" with a really sharp stick, 2012 will be worse for the Dems than 2010. Barry may not show up at the DNC Convention.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:09 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!




I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:38 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



I'll have a double and save the bottle, come November 6th you'll need a few shots....and stay away from sharp objects.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Little Rappy posted. Everyone yawned.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 1:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Little Rappy posted. Everyone yawned.



Your emperor isn't wearing any clothes, and you simply want to ignore it.

I get that, I really do.

I just wish someone would surprise me and actually comment on the fact that Barry scoffed at the idea that ObamaCare wasn't a tax, when it absolutely IS , and that's the ONLY reason it's still here.

For now.

But I suppose that's too much to ask for from a board so populated with extreme, far Left wing sycophants.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, June 29, 2012 1:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Little Rappy posted. Everyone yawned.




He left off "Boehner cried."

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Friday, June 29, 2012 2:10 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


...and Rush now has to move out of the US.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 3:19 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


To a place with government-run universal health insurance coverage!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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Friday, June 29, 2012 5:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Freedom isn't dead. Let's not be drama queens here.

This is just one in many steps we've taken as a nation towards the potential death of freedom.

Freedom will only die when the time comes that action needs to take place but we're all still too comfortable and/or meek to take it.



I'm really looking forward to the day that China cuts our credit and our nations credit rating falls to "D". Virtually overnight nearly every government hand out will dry up and this ruling won't even matter. A lot more people will also find themselves out of work and with a lot of extra free time on their hands to brood and fester over the mess our Government has blindly led us into.

Civil War II is coming. I don't think I could smoke enough cigarettes in time to make sure that it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

The irony is that the second Civil War will be fought by the slaves themselves, and not "for the slaves", as our school's textbooks would have us believe.



Stock up on a few years worth of food and water rations when money allows. Get yourself a cache of weapons and ammo and some training in how to safely use them and clean them so you can protect your investment and your loved ones. When the shit inevitably hits the fan, you'll be in a better position than most, and that's just about as much as you could ask for. I sure sleep better at night knowing that I'm prepared for the worst.


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Friday, June 29, 2012 8:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by JackAubery:
I don't blame Obama. He is a moron. A puppet.
I blame the people that are stupid enough to vote for him.




Then shouldn't you blame "the people" for everything? After all, Congress is made up of people that other people were stupid enough to vote for. Bush, McCain, Reagan - all puppets and morons, and just had enough stupid people behind them. Well, except Dubya; he didn't even have that luxury, since he was selected, not elected.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 29, 2012 8:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Freedom isn't dead. Let's not be drama queens here.

This is just one in many steps we've taken as a nation towards the potential death of freedom.

Freedom will only die when the time comes that action needs to take place but we're all still too comfortable and/or meek to take it.



I'm really looking forward to the day that China cuts our credit and our nations credit rating falls to "D". Virtually overnight nearly every government hand out will dry up and this ruling won't even matter. A lot more people will also find themselves out of work and with a lot of extra free time on their hands to brood and fester over the mess our Government has blindly led us into.

Civil War II is coming. I don't think I could smoke enough cigarettes in time to make sure that it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

The irony is that the second Civil War will be fought by the slaves themselves, and not "for the slaves", as our school's textbooks would have us believe.



Stock up on a few years worth of food and water rations when money allows. Get yourself a cache of weapons and ammo and some training in how to safely use them and clean them so you can protect your investment and your loved ones. When the shit inevitably hits the fan, you'll be in a better position than most, and that's just about as much as you could ask for. I sure sleep better at night knowing that I'm prepared for the worst.




Way ahead of ya. Have weapons, ammo, training, growing my own food, plenty of water storage, etc., and a car that can get me across the country at a moment's notice with very little demand for fuel or maintenance.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Freedom isn't dead. Let's not be drama queens here.

This is just one in many steps we've taken as a nation towards the potential death of freedom.

Freedom will only die when the time comes that action needs to take place but we're all still too comfortable and/or meek to take it.



I'm really looking forward to the day that China cuts our credit and our nations credit rating falls to "D". Virtually overnight nearly every government hand out will dry up and this ruling won't even matter. A lot more people will also find themselves out of work and with a lot of extra free time on their hands to brood and fester over the mess our Government has blindly led us into.

Civil War II is coming. I don't think I could smoke enough cigarettes in time to make sure that it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

The irony is that the second Civil War will be fought by the slaves themselves, and not "for the slaves", as our school's textbooks would have us believe.



Stock up on a few years worth of food and water rations when money allows. Get yourself a cache of weapons and ammo and some training in how to safely use them and clean them so you can protect your investment and your loved ones. When the shit inevitably hits the fan, you'll be in a better position than most, and that's just about as much as you could ask for. I sure sleep better at night knowing that I'm prepared for the worst.




As much as we might fight, brother, this is one of the key points I hope to instill on others...

I take you at your word that you do this yourself, and I implore you to make it your duty to implore your neighbors and friends and family to do the same. They're all paying rediculous tax payments for the land... they might as well start making the land pay back some for them...., right?




Forgive me for my anger.

My intelligence (not IQ) BUT understanding of what was going down did me well. My parent's business was all but crushed. My friends are only treading water because they are Union Employees...

I don't tell THEM I said so.....

Sorry for the RWED, but I direct that HERE to people I don't know.....



Bottom line, for everyone I know, Bush Jr. made life bad, and Obama made it worse....

God (or any atheist adjective for God) help us.


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Sunday, July 1, 2012 2:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Bush Jr. made life bad, and Obama made it worse....

God (or any atheist adjective for God) help us.



Bush43 surely didn't live up to MY expectations. But because of the fabricated, artificial rancor the Left generated towards him, Jesus himself couldn't have won in '08, running on the GOP ticket. What's truly sad is that folks have been conditioned to think that anything anti-Bush HAS to be good.

Guess again. It's worse. It's a LOT worse.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, July 2, 2012 1:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/28/rush-li
mbaugh/health-care-law-not-largest-tax-increase-us-histor
/






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, July 2, 2012 5:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/romney-campaign-calls-oba
macare-a-penalty-not-a-tax
/


Romney's campaign also says it's not a tax.


Huh. Next Romney will be trying to take credit for it. Any takers on that bet?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, July 2, 2012 5:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's a tax. It's many taxes, actually.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, July 2, 2012 5:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Antonin Scalia says you're wrong:

"We never have classified as a tax an exaction imposed for violation of the law," he writes, "and so too, we never have classified as a tax an exaction described in the legislation itself as a penalty."



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 12:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's not a tax, but Roberts claimed it was, in order to make the law work. This is how contorted and convoluted this ruling is, that ObamaCare is called a tax, but not a tax, so that it would stand.

From Mark Levin -


This may seem a little technical, but it is not a minor matter. A number of politicians and commentators are claiming that the Supreme Court in the Obamacare case “limited” the reach of the commerce clause, i.e., five justices held that individuals cannot be mandated to buy insurance under the commerce clause. Actually, the five justices did not limit anything. They simply did not accept the Obama administration’s ridiculous argument that inactivity is commerce. The status quo stands because Obamacare was upheld under the tax provisions. However, the bigger point is this — when a court issues an opinion, it is said to be the “Opinion of the Court.” The Opinion of the Court is the controlling precedent. Chief Justice Roberts wrote the Opinion of the Court for Parts I (background on the Obamacare law), II (the Anti-Injunction Act is not a bar to the lawsuit proceeding and being decided) and III-C (Obamacare is valid under the tax power).

But respecting Part III- A, the commerce clause and necessary and proper section, the decision notes that Roberts is writing for himself, not for a majority. Furthermore, the Dissent is labeled as: “Justice Scalia, Justice Kennedy, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito, dissenting.” It is not labeled as “dissenting in the judgment, concurring in part” or some permutation.

You cannot say it was the “opinion of the court” that the mandate violated the commerce clause. You have to cobble together sections where Roberts is writing for himself and the dissent (which did not formally join with Roberts), is writing for itself.

In fact, Justice Thomas, in his separate dissenting opinion, wrote:
“The joint dissent and THE CHIEF JUSTICE cor­rectly apply our precedents to conclude that the Individual Mandate is beyond the power granted to Congress under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause.”


Notably, this does not explicitly state that the dissenters joined with the Chief’s opinion respecting the commerce clause. If five justices had intended for their view of the commerce clause to be controlling as the majority view of the court, they would have said so by joining or concurring in each others’ parts. They didn’t. There was no formal majority on the commerce clause issue. Should this matter come before a court again, it is not settled as a matter of precedent and no doubt the litigants will still be fighting over it.


Point is, this pile of go-se was stood on its head and spun around every which way, JUST so it could be allowed to be upheld. Much like it was rammed down our throats in the first place, using every conceivable trick in the book, ( Cornhusker kick-backs, anyone ? )

The people do NOT want this excessive burden, yet an array of bureaucratic drones in DC are hell bent in forcing it upon us, no matter what.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That Rap, I do agree with you on....

Not only that, but because of how bad Bush43's administration ran things and the media on the Left, we're probably lucky that the worst we got was a politician who not only hailed from the most corrupt state of 50, but who has placed his "most trusted advisor" as the mayor of the most corrupt city in the most corrupt county of the US too...

As much as I hate to admit it, we probably got off lucky....

I hate to admit it even more, but GWB and his administration did whatever they could to make everyone hate "white", "men", "rich", "religious" (particularly Christians)..... and we should count our blessings that the aftermath of GWB wasn't the proverbial "Anti-Christ"....

I'm no bible thumper, but the "AC" hails from Europe, not Kenya.

I don't know my Morman History, but without proof, I'd say that Romney isn't "He" either....




I feel pretty comfortable that if the world does end December 12th, it wasn't because of any US Presidential Election anyway....

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

Bush Jr. made life bad, and Obama made it worse....

God (or any atheist adjective for God) help us.



Bush43 surely didn't live up to MY expectations. But because of the fabricated, artificial rancor the Left generated towards him, Jesus himself couldn't have won in '08, running on the GOP ticket. What's truly sad is that folks have been conditioned to think that anything anti-Bush HAS to be good.

Guess again. It's worse. It's a LOT worse.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall




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Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Romney agrees with Chief Justice John Roberts. Except when he doesn't agree with him. Romney today says it's a tax, but his website says it's a fee, not a tax.

Romney didn't refer to it as a tax when he passed the same plan in Massachusetts.

Meanwhile, right-wingers across the nation are clamoring to call it 'the biggest tax increase hin history' - Rush Limbaugh calls it the biggest tax increase in the history of the universe.

It's not even the biggest tax increase in a generation. *IF* it's a tax increase at all. MItt Romney isn't sure, and neither is his campaign. Rappy isn't sure, either.

Is a fee for not following the law a "tax"? When I got a speeding ticket, was I being taxed for exceeding the speed limit? Or was I being fined so I wouldn't do that again?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, July 4, 2012 4:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





CBO says the "tax" will effect 1.2% of Americans.





So in other words, the GOP is only concerned about the 1%.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:55 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Way ahead of ya. Have weapons, ammo, training, growing my own food, plenty of water storage, etc., and a car that can get me across the country at a moment's notice with very little demand for fuel or maintenance.




really?

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Way ahead of ya. Have weapons, ammo, training, growing my own food, plenty of water storage, etc., and a car that can get me across the country at a moment's notice with very little demand for fuel or maintenance.




really?




Yup. None of it was any conscious end-of-worlder stuff, but it all just kinda happened. The guns and ammo happened because I like shooting. The growing food happened because I like food and wanted to get some real use out of my yard. Tomatoes, peppers, onions, garlic, rosemary, mint, cilantro, limes, grapefruit, peaches, blackberries, squash, cucumbers, and hopefully next year strawberries.

The water happened because of drought conditions.

The car thing happened because it's a Honda. :)

Wish I could afford to put solar panels on the roof and help get off the grid a bit.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Tax" "Penalty" -- it's all a bunch of bullshit. Whatever it is, VERY few people will encounter it, and even those who do won't have to pay it. Yes, legally it CAN be enforced but the administration has made it patently clear it WON'T be, period.

Obama wants to call it a penalty so he can say he didn't raise taxes...which is more bullshit, because it doesn't "raise" anyone's taxes anyway.

Romney, poor baby, is stuck between calling it a penalty or a tax (actually, he just doesn't want to talk about it at all!); a penalty would be nice, but his base wants it to be a tax--which means he lost his claim of never having raised taxes while he was Governor. I almost feel sorry for him.

But in the long run, it's all just bullshit absurdity, and nothing more. Ridiculous argument taking over the "news" and having people debate it...I mean really???


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Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


By the way, further on whether it'll be enforced or not:
Quote:

The New Healthcare Tax That the IRS Won’t Enforce

Politifact, the fact-checking website run by the Tampa Bay Times, last week questioned assertions by some Republican politicians that Obamacare represented a massive tax increase after conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh told his listeners that it was “the largest tax increase in the history of the world.” Politifact said that hyperbolic statement dwelled “in the realm of the ridiculous” and gave the statement its least coveted “Pants on Fire” award.

The Obamacare tax increase by the time it is fully in effect in 2019 will total just 0.49 percent of gross domestic product, which is roughly equivalent to the tax increases passed by President Jimmy Carter in 1980, President George H.W. Bush in 1990 and President Bill Clinton in 1993, the paper’s website reported. And it will be significantly less than the tax increase signed into law by President Ronald Reagan in 1982, which tipped the balance sheet at 0.8 percent of GDP
......
150 million Americans who receive insurance through their public or private employers do not pay the tax; the nearly 100 million Americans who gets their insurance through Medicaid and Medicaid do not pay the tax; nor will people who pay no income tax, even if they are uninsured, since the legislation has no enforcement power.More at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/07/03/The-New-Healthcare-T
ax-That-The-IRS-Wont-Enforce.aspx#page1
you have it. It has NO ENFORCEMENT POWER.


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Thursday, July 5, 2012 9:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

CBO says the "tax" will effect 1.2% of Americans.



That's the biggest stretch since Armstrong. It's going to effect EVERYONE, destroy our economy, and drive costs way the hell up.




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Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

CBO says the "tax" will effect 1.2% of Americans.



That's the biggest stretch since Armstrong. It's going to effect EVERYONE, destroy our economy, and drive costs way the hell up.





Prove it.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, July 6, 2012 6:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's a cute idea Kwick, and maybe it's true. Time will tell.

The truth is, none of us know how any of this is going to play out. All I see when there is another legal avenue for Government to tax us, they will start off small and 30 years from now our kids and their kids will be paying 30% more for the same thing and not even ask why.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



CBO says the "tax" will effect 1.2% of Americans.





So in other words, the GOP is only concerned about the 1%.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy




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Friday, July 6, 2012 7:08 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Why did Roberts change his vote?

Cuz Obama whipped out spy photos proving Roberts is a flaming mo.

That's why it's a felony to be a mo -- too easy to blackmail.

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Friday, July 6, 2012 7:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


what's an MO?



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Friday, July 6, 2012 7:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

That's the biggest stretch since Armstrong. It's going to effect EVERYONE, destroy our economy, and drive costs way the hell up.
Wow. He must have a helluva long nose by now, all the lies he tells. Yeah, Mike, as usual it's one of his over-the-top statements for which there will be no proof offered. The usual M.O.

Just for fun, I'll prove the opposite. First off, how much the UNENFORCEABLE fine amounts to:
Quote:

Beginning in 2014, if you are uninsured, not exempt from the new mandate, and refuse to sign up for health care coverage, how much will you owe Uncle Sam?

The health care law sets out a formula to determine your penalty, which will be assessed and collected by the IRS as part of your federal income taxes.

There are plenty of exemptions from the penalty. You do not face it if your insurance premiums would be more than 8 percent of your gross income, if you’re a member of an American Indian tribe, or if you lacked insurance for less than three months during a year.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office projects that 7 million uninsured, non-exempt Americans will refuse to get medical coverage and face the penalty in 2016. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/health-care-law-mandate-t
ax-how-much-is-it/
million out of how many? And remember, even those don't have to pay it, as Roberts made it clear it's UENFORCEABLE. Now, as to the bullshit Raptor spewed:

From Kaiser:
Quote:

“That people know about the mandate—and may even worry about it—is not surprising, given both the heated political controversy and the constitutional challenge surrounding this provision of the law,” begin the authors from the Urban Institute. “What may be surprising, however, is that if the ACA were in effect today, 94 percent of the total population (93 percent of the nonelderly population) or 250.3 million people out of 268.8 million nonelderly people—would not face a requirement to newly purchase insurance or pay a fine,” find the authors, who were funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation for this analysis. The authors used “the Urban Institute’s Health Insurance Policy Simulation Model (HIPSM) to estimate the number and share of Americans potentially subject to the mandate, identify their insurance status absent the ACA, and simulate eligibility for Medicaid and exchange-based premium and cost-sharing subsidies.” http://healthreform.kff.org/scan/2012/march/urban-institute-report-exa
mines-how-many-would-be-affected-by-the-mandate.aspx
all the spin and punditry about the national health care law’s mandate that Americans buy health insurance or pay a penalty, the vast majority wouldn’t be forced to buy anything or pay any penalty.

In fact, only 6 percent of Americans, about 18 million people, would have to “newly purchase” insurance under the law, the study found. And of this group, roughly 11 million would be eligible for subsidies to help buy their coverage from new insurance marketplaces, or “exchanges,” created by the law.

This relatively thin sliver of Americans who’d be required to pay for full coverage belies the dominant public perception that the mandate would be a financial strain for wide swaths of the population.

“That was one of the reasons we wanted to do this study, because we felt like the real impact was being blow out of proportion,” said Blumberg, who was the lead researcher on the study.

A closer look at numbers shows that 87.4 million of the 268.8 million Americans under age 65 would be exempt from the mandate because they’re illegal immigrants, have incomes below the law’s tax-filing threshold or can’t get coverage because the premiums would eat up too much of their income.

Nearly 75 percent of this group – 63.4 million – already have coverage, while 24 million do not. Blumberg said these 24 million comprised 7.3 million illegal immigrants, 14.3 million people whose incomes are below the tax-filing threshold and 2.4 million people who can’t get affordable coverage.

That leaves 181 million Americans under age 65 who could be subject to the mandate, Blumberg said. But 86 percent of this group, 155 million people, already have coverage.

“So they’re not going to be subject to any penalty. They don’t have to change anything that they’re doing,” Blumberg said. “Some of them have public coverage already, some of them are buying coverage on their own, some of them are in employer-based insurance.”

That leaves 26 million non-elderly people who are uninsured and potentially subject to the penalty.
Of this group, 8 million are low-income people who’d be eligible for free coverage under Medicaid. Nearly 11 million others probably would get federal subsidies to buy coverage on the insurance exchanges, “so they wouldn’t have to pay the full freight, but they would have to pay something in order to avoid a penalty,” Blumberg said.

In his majority decision, Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. suggested that the law’s penalties for not obtaining coverage may not be enough to compel the uninsured to purchase it.

“Some people will definitely pay the penalty instead,” Blumberg acknowledged. “But I think people would also like to spend their money and get something in return, rather than spending it and getting nothing in return, which is what the penalty is.” http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/06/29/154483/health-care-laws-mandate-
unlikely.html
, from the same, another nice little chart for you:



Put that in your pipe and smoke it Raptor! He'll go on spouting the party line, we all know it, but unless he can show any proof from a VERIFIABLE source that shows otherwise, what he claimed is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

If the damed Dems/Obama would just explain how few would be affected by this, dammit, the favorable/unfavorable numbers would be a helluvalot different. Problem is, the right has done an all-too-good job of spinning the damned thing to scare people--not Raptor, I'm pretty sure that's just another of his idiotic claims just to get attention, but the rest of the country...


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Aaaaannnnd Rappy runs away yet again.


Dance, monkey, dance.

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