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Why Obama is losing.
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:12 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Romney camp raises $3.5 million after Ryan veep announcement Andrea Saul@andreamsaul $3.5 million raised online in 24 hrs of @MittRomney's pick of @PaulRyanVP #RomneyRyan2012
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:16 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:37 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:39 AM
HKCAVALIER
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:59 AM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: He's BUYING the election.
JONGSSTRAW
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: He's BUYING the election. Nah, he's TRYING to buy the election. He won't win it on policy alone. You've been owned, schooled & punked, AU. Pack your back & droop yer head, yer party & yer candidate's chances are dead. Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured pleebs
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:04 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: This election may be won or lost based on voter turnout. I don't think that picking Ryan increases the numbers for Republicans, but I do think it provides Obama with fertile material to motivate his base into going out and voting for him again.
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Such childish delusions...
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:26 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:41 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:43 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Jong - we NEED ideological rancor in this race. McCain played the 'go along to get along ' crap, and look where it got him ? The time is now. No longer can we kick the can down the road. I'd rather die fighting for what's right, than surrender for the sake of 'making nice' w/ the crooks and traitors across the aisle.
Monday, August 13, 2012 12:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Jong - we NEED ideological rancor in this race. McCain played the 'go along to get along ' crap, and look where it got him ? The time is now. No longer can we kick the can down the road. I'd rather die fighting for what's right, than surrender for the sake of 'making nice' w/ the crooks and traitors across the aisle. We need the electoral votes from Florida and Ohio a lot more than Paul Ryan's divisive economics.
Monday, August 13, 2012 12:10 PM
WHOZIT
Monday, August 13, 2012 12:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Jong - we NEED ideological rancor in this race. McCain played the 'go along to get along ' crap, and look where it got him ? The time is now. No longer can we kick the can down the road. I'd rather die fighting for what's right, than surrender for the sake of 'making nice' w/ the crooks and traitors across the aisle. We need the electoral votes from Florida and Ohio a lot more than Paul Ryan's divisive economics. The only folks Ryan's economics is divisive for are the Democrats. They're living in a fantasy world, which if it keeps up, will end this country in a Greece like situation, but far worse. Ryan's approach is a sober, adult view of the world, and not one in which Obama lives, full of lolly pop trees and gummy bear clouds. Like when Simon said to River... " It's time to wake up"
Monday, August 13, 2012 12:26 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:They're living in a fantasy world, which if it keeps up, will end this country in a Greece like situation, but far worse. Ryan's approach is a sober, adult view of the world, and not one in which Obama lives, full of lolly pop trees and gummy bear clouds.-rappy Believe me, I understand all that. But elections aren't about truths any more. It's all smoke and mirrors; image, momentum, and cash.-Jongsstraw
Monday, August 13, 2012 2:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Cash is POURING into the Romney campaign now. You go ahead and believe the heavily biased Democrat sampled polls. I'm giddy over the Ryan pick, and can't wait for a complete and total ASS KICKING come November.
Monday, August 13, 2012 2:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The only folks Ryan's economics is divisive for are the Democrats.
Monday, August 13, 2012 3:15 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, August 13, 2012 4:09 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Mitt Romney has had a tough couple of weeks on the campaign trail -- and it shows in the latest Fox News poll. After a barrage of campaign ads, negative news coverage of his overseas trip and ongoing talk about his tax returns, Romney’s favorable rating and standing in the trial ballot have declined. As a result, President Obama has opened his biggest lead since Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee. The president would take 49 percent of the vote compared to Romney's 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup if the election were held today, the poll found. Last month, Obama had a four percentage-point edge of 45 percent to 41 percent. This marks the second time this year the president has had a lead outside the poll’s margin of sampling error. Obama’s advantage comes largely from increased support among independents, who now pick him over Romney by 11 percentage points. Some 30 percent of independents are undecided. Last month, Obama had a four-point edge among independents, while Romney had the advantage from April through early June. There was also an uptick in support for Obama among women, blacks and Democrats.
Monday, August 13, 2012 4:20 PM
Quote:Meanwhile, Obama is trusted more than Romney on foreign policy (13 points), helping people achieve the American dream (+8 points), national security (+ 8 points), health care (+ 7 points) and stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons (+4 points). Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/#ixzz23U0GT2rc
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:13 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: This election may be won or lost based on voter turnout. I don't think that picking Ryan increases the numbers for Republicans, but I do think it provides Obama with fertile material to motivate his base into going out and voting for him again.
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I don't know why you guys go on like you do.
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The only folks Ryan's economics is divisive for are the Democrats. ...and people who understand economics, people who don't want it to take 40 some years to balance the budget, and people who like medicare. You know that last group, many of them live in Florida. Romney simple can't win the election if he loses Florida.
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:20 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:44 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:02 AM
Quote:where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. Kleptocracies are generally associated with corrupt forms of authoritarian governments, particularly dictatorships, oligarchies, military juntas, or some other forms of autocratic and nepotist government in which no outside oversight is possible, due to the ability of the kleptocrat(s) to personally control both the supply of public funds and the means of determining their disbursal.
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No one 55 or older would have their benefits touched, so the lie that Left is pushing is shameless, as it is reckless.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Does Erskine Bowles know anything about economics ? ( Chairperson of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, White House Chief of Staff, etc.. )
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Obama? He HAS no plan to balance the budget. So tell me, who is the adult in this discussion, and who is the big eared,whiny man - child who is going around lying about everything and not standing up and taking responsibility for his actions ( or in-actions ) like a man?
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So tell me, who is the adult in this discussion, and who is the big eared,whiny man - child who is going around lying about everything and not standing up and taking responsibility for his actions ( or in-actions ) like a man?
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:58 AM
Quote:Obama's plan it to increase taxes on those who can afford it while slowly reducing government spending as the economy improves. See the President, who is the adult in the room, understands math. Seems others don't. You can't cut taxes and spending and fix the budget, the numbers simply don't add up. Even Ryan's plan adds to the deficit for many years to come.
Quote:After the initial enthusiasm about the boldness of Mitt Romney's choice of Paul Ryan as running mate, Republican pundits and consultants early this week began voicing measured concerns that the Medicare front may not be where the battle should be joined for November. Politico reported on Tuesday that many key Republican consultants in Washington are nervous about Ryan and the Medicare distraction, while some are downright despondent and resigned.
Quote:(CBS News) CHILLICOTHE, Ohio - When Mitt Romney announced on Saturday he was picking Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate, he was roundly applauded by Republicans and especially conservatives. But as attention has shifted from jobs and the economy to Ryan's position on Medicare and social programs, some in the party are showing some concern about the selection. In a USA Today/Gallup poll, 39 percent of Americans said Ryan is an excellent or pretty good choice for vice president. Forty-two percent said he's fair or poor. The Gallup poll taken Sunday showed Romney's pick helped in his conservative base. Thirty-six percent of Republicans said they are more likely to vote for him -- that's 6 points higher than when John McCain picked Sarah Palin in 2008. But some inside the GOP establishment tell CBS News there are fears Ryan will do more harm than good with independent voters. Romney has staked his campaign on the economy, the issue voters say they care about most. But getting more attention now are Ryan's proposals to cut the budget and reform entitlements like Medicare.
Quote:CLEVELAND -- No one wants to admit it openly, but here in Ohio, one of the top battleground states, the reaction to the choice of Paul Ryan is disappointment by Republicans and relief by Democrats. Both sides believed that to secure Ohio's 18 electoral votes, Romney would have been better off picking Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. No vice-presidential pick can guarantee his home state. But one influential Republican strategist, who voiced his dismay only on background, told National Journal on Saturday that Portman could have added between 1.5 and two points for Romney in Ohio -- and Ryan could make it harder to win here. Some Republicans fear that Ryan's controversial plans to overhaul Medicare will be a tough sell to Ohio's blue-collar voters. "I'm shocked," said the strategist. "Why would you put them into play? Why would you put Florida into play?"
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:43 AM
Quote:Republicans strategists are worried that Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) addition to the presidential ticket will cost their party House and Senate seats this fall. Their concern: Democrats will successfully demonize Ryan’s budget plan, which contains controversial spending cuts and changes to Medicare. “There are a lot races that are close to the line we're not going to win now because they're going to battle out who's going to kill grandma first, ObamaCare or Paul Ryan's budget,” said one Republican strategist who works on congressional races. “It could put the Senate out of reach. In the House it puts a bunch of races in play that would have otherwise been safe. ... It remains to be seen how much damage this causes, but my first blush is this is not good.” Many Republicans in tough races this year, especially in the House, voted for Ryan’s proposal, which makes it hard for them to distance themselves from it. And while Republicans are expected to keep the House, the more seats they lose, the closer the Democrats will be to a takeover in 2014. The Senate is too close to call; the GOP only needs to gain four seats (if President Obama wins reelection) to take control. The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) circulated a memo to lawmakers and candidates on Monday, obtained by The Hill, that they say offers a road map for winning the debate over Ryan’s proposal. The presentation tells candidates to fight back on Medicare until the issue becomes a tie then refocus the debate on the economy. To do so, Republicans are advised to tie their opponent unequivocally to Obama’s law, highlight the law’s cuts to Medicare and offer counter-messaging that uses credible outside spokespeople — like seniors, or, in Amodei’s case, his mother — to convince seniors that Republicans are in the right on the issue. Former Rep. Tom Reynolds (R-N.Y.), who chaired the NRCC from 2003-2006, warned that he foresaw in this election shades of President George W. Bush’s fight to create a voucher program for Social Security early in his second term, which many say cost the GOP seats in 2006. “You saw what happened to Bush with Social Security in the 2006 election,” he said. “This is déjà vu.” Reynolds warned that Romney and Ryan need to get ahead of the story and define themselves before Democrats do it for them. “This next couple weeks is what this is about, Ryan getting vetted. They should use that time to further explain Romney-Ryan as they see it relative to entitlements including Medicare. If they don't define themselves for it Democrats will do it for them,” he said. One Republican strategist who’d seen the NRCC’s memo worried that the plan offered little new advice, and having Ryan at the top of the ticket lent additional credibility to Democrats on the issue. "It becomes more difficult. The Republican argument and Democrat argument on Medicare now aren't on equal footing anymore — Ryan being on the top of the ticket gives Democrats more credibility,” the strategist said. “There's going to be more resonance when the Democrats attack our guys. It's going to be a part of the national discussion, there's going to be more credibility on this now, and we're not going to be able to wave them off as nonsense.“ http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243473-gop-concerned-ryan-could-cost-party-house-and-senate-seats this from a Republican and NRA supporter:Quote:I have an acquaintance who is a full-fledged NRA supporter and member. He generally doesn't like Republican policies but often votes that way over the issue of guns. Up until last week he had every intention of voting for Romney for that reason. But then Romney announced that Ryan is his running mate. BANG. Just like that, he is now voting for Obama. He could stomach the what-passes-for-centrist-in-today's-GOP Mitt Romney, but not the let's-destroy-medicare-and-Social-Security radical Paul Ryan. He's just one example, but truly middle of the road voters are complicated. There may be some who were leaning Obama and are now leaning Romney because of Ryan, but outside of his relative youth, charm, and good looks it's hard to see what appeal he has to undecided voters. (Palin had all three as well - okay, the charm part is up for debate but I think a certain segment of the population liked her. And keep in mind the "relative" qualifier...) The economy is still Issue Number One, and Ryan's pet issues are ones on which he is vulnerable (he voted for Bush's budgets like a good minion) and which are not necessarily related to the economy. I think the Dems and allied groups aren't wasting any time trying to define Ryan as the radical that he is. http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/18300/republicans-worry-about-ryan-effect-on-house-senate] I'm reading it all over the place:Quote:You've heard them on television and read them on POLITICO -- cheerful, defiant statements from Republican political professionals about Mitt Romney's bold masterstroke in tapping Paul Ryan as his running mate, and turning the 2012 presidential race into a serious, far-reaching debate about budgets and the nation's future. Don't buy it. Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren't being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right -- and a huge chance of going horribly wrong. In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives -- old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike -- the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election. And the more pessimistic strategists don't even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP. Many of these people don't care that much about Romney -- they always felt he faced an improbable path to victory -- but are worried that Ryan's vocal views about overhauling Medicare will be a millstone for other GOP candidates in critical House and Senate races. If you are one of those people who thinks if someone has something negative to say, they should have the guts to put their name on it, you won't find much to impress you in this article. Nearly all the Republican professionals interviewed for this story said they would share their unfiltered views only "on background" rules of attribution. But Washington political chatter is a pervasive reality even when the chatterers prefer not to risk personal relationships or professional prospects by publicly second-guessing their party's nominee. For Romney, even if he ultimately proves the doubters wrong, the skepticism among capital insiders is an obstacle as he seeks to frame a general election argument. And that skepticism about Ryan among GOP strategists is striking. They're worried about inviting Medicare -- usually death for Republicans -- into the campaign. They're worried it sidetracks the jobs issue. They're worried he'll expose the fact that Romney doesn't have a budget plan. Most of all, they're worried that Romney was on track to lose anyway -- and now that feels all but certain. "Whether or not they [the Romney campaign] want to say that they have their own plan on Day One, or whatever they're doing, it doesn't change the reality of them having to own the Ryan plan. How is that in the wheelhouse of creating jobs?" added a GOP consultant. Joked another: "The most popular phrase in Washington right now is: 'I love Paul Ryan, but ...'" The most cutting criticism of Ryan, shared only by a handful of strategists, is that Ryan isn't ready to be president -- or doesn't come across as ready. A youthful man who looks even younger than his 42 years, Ryan could end up labeled as Sarah Palin with a PowerPoint presentation, several operatives said. "He just doesn't seem like he can step into the job on Day One," said the strategist, who professed himself a Ryan fan. And that's just what it does to the Romney-Ryan ticket. Forget how it plays in close House and Senate races. "Very not helpful down ballot -- very," said one top Republican consultant. "This is the day the music died," one Republican operative involved in 2012 races said after the rollout. The operative said that every House candidate now is racing to get ahead of this issue. Another strategist emailed midway through Romney and Ryan's first joint event Saturday: "The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular." The Romney campaign isn't oblivious to Republican skittishness about the pick. In fact, several sources close to the Romney campaign said that top advisers to the candidate initially favored Tim Pawlenty as a "do no harm" choice for the vice presidency, and that even late in the process some leaned toward Ohio Sen. Rob Portman as a running mate who would bring gravitas and governing heft to the ticket -- without Ryan's obvious risks. Sources close to the selection process tell POLITICO that within the Romney campaign, there was considerable unease about picking Ryan -- but also a recognition that each of the possible picks for running mate had drawbacks to varying degrees. With Ryan, some on the campaign feared that his first and most crucial days on the trail would be consumed with answering charges about his views on entitlements and completely get the ticket away from its economic message. That's the signal concern now among the Republican worrywarts. "It turned a referendum into a choice," said one Washington Republican lawyer. "[Choosing Ryan] forfeited the no-real-world-experience point Romney has been building up for months [about Obama] and put a new state in play that was otherwise trending his way [Florida]." Republicans are not (evidently) at the point of publicly breaking ranks with Romney and Ryan, and may never get there. After all, Romney is still the presidential nominee and Ryan commands deep respect -- even awe -- in many corners of the party. Several have noticed that Romney seems more energized since Ryan joined the ticket and that their chemistry seems real. Yet the Romney campaign has quieted few doubts in the 36 hours since announcing Ryan for vice president. The Republican presidential nominee has endured withering press coverage in senior-heavy Florida and dodged questions about where his views on Medicare differ from Ryan's. The longer Republicans have to litigate this issue instead of campaigning on jobs and the economy, strategists say, the more ground they will lose against Obama and the greater the odds that Romney will drag down other members of his party. Since Saturday, however, the actions of campaigns on both sides of the 2012 race have effectively spoken for themselves on the importance Ryan's plan may have in the race: Democrats have launched, almost by reflex, into a full-scale "Medi-scare" campaign while Republicans have rushed to blunt that argument with attacks on Obama's health care plan. Yet another operative deeply involved in the 2012 campaign said that in "every competitive race in the country, strategists have held conference calls in the last 48 hours to try to figure out how to be on offense on this. A week ago we were talking about jobs, and this week we're talking about entitlement reform." "Everybody loves Paul Ryan. Everybody supported the Ryan plan," the strategist said. "But nobody thinks Ryan should be the tip of the spear." http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120810paul-ryan-pick-republicans-worried-politico.htmlRaising 3.5 million dollars ain't gonna count for SHIT with all the millions being spent on this campaign. You always get a spike when a VP is picked--how much did the pick of Sarah Palin raise immediately after she was announced? And we know where THAT went... Personally, I think Ryan is a WORSE pick than Palin, tho' to me not as offensive a one, since Ryan seems like a nice guy and is intelligent. We shall see....
Quote:I have an acquaintance who is a full-fledged NRA supporter and member. He generally doesn't like Republican policies but often votes that way over the issue of guns. Up until last week he had every intention of voting for Romney for that reason. But then Romney announced that Ryan is his running mate. BANG. Just like that, he is now voting for Obama. He could stomach the what-passes-for-centrist-in-today's-GOP Mitt Romney, but not the let's-destroy-medicare-and-Social-Security radical Paul Ryan. He's just one example, but truly middle of the road voters are complicated. There may be some who were leaning Obama and are now leaning Romney because of Ryan, but outside of his relative youth, charm, and good looks it's hard to see what appeal he has to undecided voters. (Palin had all three as well - okay, the charm part is up for debate but I think a certain segment of the population liked her. And keep in mind the "relative" qualifier...) The economy is still Issue Number One, and Ryan's pet issues are ones on which he is vulnerable (he voted for Bush's budgets like a good minion) and which are not necessarily related to the economy. I think the Dems and allied groups aren't wasting any time trying to define Ryan as the radical that he is. http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/18300/republicans-worry-about-ryan-effect-on-house-senate] I'm reading it all over the place:Quote:You've heard them on television and read them on POLITICO -- cheerful, defiant statements from Republican political professionals about Mitt Romney's bold masterstroke in tapping Paul Ryan as his running mate, and turning the 2012 presidential race into a serious, far-reaching debate about budgets and the nation's future. Don't buy it. Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren't being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right -- and a huge chance of going horribly wrong. In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives -- old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike -- the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election. And the more pessimistic strategists don't even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP. Many of these people don't care that much about Romney -- they always felt he faced an improbable path to victory -- but are worried that Ryan's vocal views about overhauling Medicare will be a millstone for other GOP candidates in critical House and Senate races. If you are one of those people who thinks if someone has something negative to say, they should have the guts to put their name on it, you won't find much to impress you in this article. Nearly all the Republican professionals interviewed for this story said they would share their unfiltered views only "on background" rules of attribution. But Washington political chatter is a pervasive reality even when the chatterers prefer not to risk personal relationships or professional prospects by publicly second-guessing their party's nominee. For Romney, even if he ultimately proves the doubters wrong, the skepticism among capital insiders is an obstacle as he seeks to frame a general election argument. And that skepticism about Ryan among GOP strategists is striking. They're worried about inviting Medicare -- usually death for Republicans -- into the campaign. They're worried it sidetracks the jobs issue. They're worried he'll expose the fact that Romney doesn't have a budget plan. Most of all, they're worried that Romney was on track to lose anyway -- and now that feels all but certain. "Whether or not they [the Romney campaign] want to say that they have their own plan on Day One, or whatever they're doing, it doesn't change the reality of them having to own the Ryan plan. How is that in the wheelhouse of creating jobs?" added a GOP consultant. Joked another: "The most popular phrase in Washington right now is: 'I love Paul Ryan, but ...'" The most cutting criticism of Ryan, shared only by a handful of strategists, is that Ryan isn't ready to be president -- or doesn't come across as ready. A youthful man who looks even younger than his 42 years, Ryan could end up labeled as Sarah Palin with a PowerPoint presentation, several operatives said. "He just doesn't seem like he can step into the job on Day One," said the strategist, who professed himself a Ryan fan. And that's just what it does to the Romney-Ryan ticket. Forget how it plays in close House and Senate races. "Very not helpful down ballot -- very," said one top Republican consultant. "This is the day the music died," one Republican operative involved in 2012 races said after the rollout. The operative said that every House candidate now is racing to get ahead of this issue. Another strategist emailed midway through Romney and Ryan's first joint event Saturday: "The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular." The Romney campaign isn't oblivious to Republican skittishness about the pick. In fact, several sources close to the Romney campaign said that top advisers to the candidate initially favored Tim Pawlenty as a "do no harm" choice for the vice presidency, and that even late in the process some leaned toward Ohio Sen. Rob Portman as a running mate who would bring gravitas and governing heft to the ticket -- without Ryan's obvious risks. Sources close to the selection process tell POLITICO that within the Romney campaign, there was considerable unease about picking Ryan -- but also a recognition that each of the possible picks for running mate had drawbacks to varying degrees. With Ryan, some on the campaign feared that his first and most crucial days on the trail would be consumed with answering charges about his views on entitlements and completely get the ticket away from its economic message. That's the signal concern now among the Republican worrywarts. "It turned a referendum into a choice," said one Washington Republican lawyer. "[Choosing Ryan] forfeited the no-real-world-experience point Romney has been building up for months [about Obama] and put a new state in play that was otherwise trending his way [Florida]." Republicans are not (evidently) at the point of publicly breaking ranks with Romney and Ryan, and may never get there. After all, Romney is still the presidential nominee and Ryan commands deep respect -- even awe -- in many corners of the party. Several have noticed that Romney seems more energized since Ryan joined the ticket and that their chemistry seems real. Yet the Romney campaign has quieted few doubts in the 36 hours since announcing Ryan for vice president. The Republican presidential nominee has endured withering press coverage in senior-heavy Florida and dodged questions about where his views on Medicare differ from Ryan's. The longer Republicans have to litigate this issue instead of campaigning on jobs and the economy, strategists say, the more ground they will lose against Obama and the greater the odds that Romney will drag down other members of his party. Since Saturday, however, the actions of campaigns on both sides of the 2012 race have effectively spoken for themselves on the importance Ryan's plan may have in the race: Democrats have launched, almost by reflex, into a full-scale "Medi-scare" campaign while Republicans have rushed to blunt that argument with attacks on Obama's health care plan. Yet another operative deeply involved in the 2012 campaign said that in "every competitive race in the country, strategists have held conference calls in the last 48 hours to try to figure out how to be on offense on this. A week ago we were talking about jobs, and this week we're talking about entitlement reform." "Everybody loves Paul Ryan. Everybody supported the Ryan plan," the strategist said. "But nobody thinks Ryan should be the tip of the spear." http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120810paul-ryan-pick-republicans-worried-politico.htmlRaising 3.5 million dollars ain't gonna count for SHIT with all the millions being spent on this campaign. You always get a spike when a VP is picked--how much did the pick of Sarah Palin raise immediately after she was announced? And we know where THAT went... Personally, I think Ryan is a WORSE pick than Palin, tho' to me not as offensive a one, since Ryan seems like a nice guy and is intelligent. We shall see....
Quote:You've heard them on television and read them on POLITICO -- cheerful, defiant statements from Republican political professionals about Mitt Romney's bold masterstroke in tapping Paul Ryan as his running mate, and turning the 2012 presidential race into a serious, far-reaching debate about budgets and the nation's future. Don't buy it. Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren't being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right -- and a huge chance of going horribly wrong. In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives -- old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike -- the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election. And the more pessimistic strategists don't even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP. Many of these people don't care that much about Romney -- they always felt he faced an improbable path to victory -- but are worried that Ryan's vocal views about overhauling Medicare will be a millstone for other GOP candidates in critical House and Senate races. If you are one of those people who thinks if someone has something negative to say, they should have the guts to put their name on it, you won't find much to impress you in this article. Nearly all the Republican professionals interviewed for this story said they would share their unfiltered views only "on background" rules of attribution. But Washington political chatter is a pervasive reality even when the chatterers prefer not to risk personal relationships or professional prospects by publicly second-guessing their party's nominee. For Romney, even if he ultimately proves the doubters wrong, the skepticism among capital insiders is an obstacle as he seeks to frame a general election argument. And that skepticism about Ryan among GOP strategists is striking. They're worried about inviting Medicare -- usually death for Republicans -- into the campaign. They're worried it sidetracks the jobs issue. They're worried he'll expose the fact that Romney doesn't have a budget plan. Most of all, they're worried that Romney was on track to lose anyway -- and now that feels all but certain. "Whether or not they [the Romney campaign] want to say that they have their own plan on Day One, or whatever they're doing, it doesn't change the reality of them having to own the Ryan plan. How is that in the wheelhouse of creating jobs?" added a GOP consultant. Joked another: "The most popular phrase in Washington right now is: 'I love Paul Ryan, but ...'" The most cutting criticism of Ryan, shared only by a handful of strategists, is that Ryan isn't ready to be president -- or doesn't come across as ready. A youthful man who looks even younger than his 42 years, Ryan could end up labeled as Sarah Palin with a PowerPoint presentation, several operatives said. "He just doesn't seem like he can step into the job on Day One," said the strategist, who professed himself a Ryan fan. And that's just what it does to the Romney-Ryan ticket. Forget how it plays in close House and Senate races. "Very not helpful down ballot -- very," said one top Republican consultant. "This is the day the music died," one Republican operative involved in 2012 races said after the rollout. The operative said that every House candidate now is racing to get ahead of this issue. Another strategist emailed midway through Romney and Ryan's first joint event Saturday: "The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular." The Romney campaign isn't oblivious to Republican skittishness about the pick. In fact, several sources close to the Romney campaign said that top advisers to the candidate initially favored Tim Pawlenty as a "do no harm" choice for the vice presidency, and that even late in the process some leaned toward Ohio Sen. Rob Portman as a running mate who would bring gravitas and governing heft to the ticket -- without Ryan's obvious risks. Sources close to the selection process tell POLITICO that within the Romney campaign, there was considerable unease about picking Ryan -- but also a recognition that each of the possible picks for running mate had drawbacks to varying degrees. With Ryan, some on the campaign feared that his first and most crucial days on the trail would be consumed with answering charges about his views on entitlements and completely get the ticket away from its economic message. That's the signal concern now among the Republican worrywarts. "It turned a referendum into a choice," said one Washington Republican lawyer. "[Choosing Ryan] forfeited the no-real-world-experience point Romney has been building up for months [about Obama] and put a new state in play that was otherwise trending his way [Florida]." Republicans are not (evidently) at the point of publicly breaking ranks with Romney and Ryan, and may never get there. After all, Romney is still the presidential nominee and Ryan commands deep respect -- even awe -- in many corners of the party. Several have noticed that Romney seems more energized since Ryan joined the ticket and that their chemistry seems real. Yet the Romney campaign has quieted few doubts in the 36 hours since announcing Ryan for vice president. The Republican presidential nominee has endured withering press coverage in senior-heavy Florida and dodged questions about where his views on Medicare differ from Ryan's. The longer Republicans have to litigate this issue instead of campaigning on jobs and the economy, strategists say, the more ground they will lose against Obama and the greater the odds that Romney will drag down other members of his party. Since Saturday, however, the actions of campaigns on both sides of the 2012 race have effectively spoken for themselves on the importance Ryan's plan may have in the race: Democrats have launched, almost by reflex, into a full-scale "Medi-scare" campaign while Republicans have rushed to blunt that argument with attacks on Obama's health care plan. Yet another operative deeply involved in the 2012 campaign said that in "every competitive race in the country, strategists have held conference calls in the last 48 hours to try to figure out how to be on offense on this. A week ago we were talking about jobs, and this week we're talking about entitlement reform." "Everybody loves Paul Ryan. Everybody supported the Ryan plan," the strategist said. "But nobody thinks Ryan should be the tip of the spear." http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120810paul-ryan-pick-republicans-worried-politico.html
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:58 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Okay...Mitt is going to try and buy the election with huge amounts of money form very rich contributors. That I agree with. Problem is most polls still have Obama in the lead.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:23 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: President Obama has raised more money then Mitt Romney, the problem is that he's been spending it with little return. Now his doners who have been hit time and again for four years running are not shelling out the same money they were up to about a year ago. Romney on the other hand is just tapping into his base's support including Tea Party money and the big boys who bankrolled his competitors in the primaries. Its an intersting strategic bind for the President. He waged an expensive campaign against Romney in June and July which has kept this race a statistical tie. Romney now has the benefit of cash and momentum and can focus on a handful of battleground states. I think you will see the Romney offensive take off during the Republican National convention with a phase 2 rollout the week after the Dem convention. Dem's have the money to keep up the fight in September but by October the President will be rolling on empty barring some dynamic change (like VP Hillary Clinton).
Monday, August 20, 2012 3:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: You go ahead and believe the heavily biased Democrat sampled polls.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:43 AM
Quote:A new poll shows that a majority of voters in 12 key U.S. swing states feel they are worse off than they were four years ago, yet still support President Barack Obama over his presumptive Republican rival, Mitt Romney. The results of the survey, conducted jointly by the USA Today newspaper and the Gallup polling agency, were published Monday. They show that when respondents were asked "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" those in the swing states (competitive states most likely to swing the Electoral College in the November 6 presidential election) answered "no" by 56-42 percent. Voters polled in all 50 states answered "no" by 55-42 percent. Still, the poll found that President Obama leads Romney in the swing states, 47-44 percent. The 12 swing states surveyed are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. One key in determining how big a threat the lack of improvement in voters' lives is to Obama's re-election chances is whether they blame him for their situation. The poll finds that voters do not widely blame Obama for their circumstances. Twenty percent of swing-state voters say they are not better off and blame Obama alone. Another 15% are not better off and blame Obama but also blame George W. Bush. And 21% do not blame Obama, including 7% who believe Bush alone is responsible. It is quite possible that voters may cut Obama some slack on the economy, given that he took office during one of the worst economic downturns in U.S. history. And the poll finds that is the case for just under half of voters in the swing states, with 46% saying Obama has done as well as could be expected in dealing with the economy given its condition when he took office, while 52% say he has not. The majority of those who are better off say Obama has done as well as could be expected, while most of those who say they are not better off disagree. Still, swing-state voters are not convinced they would be better off in four years under Romney. Forty-four percent predict they would be better off four years from now if Romney wins and 49% say they would not be better off. Those figures are roughly the same when voters are asked to predict their situation in four years if Obama is re-elected -- 42% say they would be better off and 52% say they would not be. http://www.voanews.com/content/poll_majority_of_swing_state_supporters_unhappy_but_still_back_obama-/1491487.html more recently, Politico, as of yesterday, has the electoral college for ten swing states standing at Obama, 111; Romney 15. Overall, they put the electoral college at Obama, 332; Romney, 206 http://www.politico.com/2012-election/swing-state/. They'd better get their act together! It's still early on, and anything can happen, as everyone knows, but that's a pretty big gap for just over two months from election time. From the pundits I've been hearing that Obama's pretty much tied up minorities, young and women voters, which leaves Romney only men and the elderly (some of whom he's losing now because of the Medicare issue). That's a tough sell, if it's true. Obviously it's not 100%, as there will be those in any of those groups who won't vote as predicted, but it's got to be uncomfortable for Romney. It's still a looong ways off; will be interesting to see what the polls come up with as the Akin thing has time to sink in. All in all, first Medicare now this; as the saying goes, any time we're not talking about the economy, Romney is losing. Here's hoping more crap comes up that splatters all over Romney... What was that about "Why Obama is Losing"? (/snicker)
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:05 AM
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Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:43 AM
REDREAD
The poster formerly known as yinyang.
Quote:A new poll shows that a majority of voters in 12 key U.S. swing states feel they are worse off than they were four years ago, yet still support President Barack Obama over his presumptive Republican rival, Mitt Romney.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Or an administrations' campaign might want to reconsider how to better deal with national security leaks rather than enter a war for hearts and minds against Navy Seals and Special Ops heroes .
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:07 PM
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Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:39 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:01 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: The more Romney gains in strength in terms of campaign money and poll numbers, the more the MSM is going to dig their heels in and defend and promote Obama on everything, while they also rev up their relentless assault on Romney. That's the sad reality we saw in 2008. Now it's even more important than ever for them that Obama wins. He can't fail, not our first African-American President. They've invested too much, gone all in so to speak... no, that will never happen.
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