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Coal Miners Forced to Attend Romney Rally Without Pay

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




Murray Energy Miners Allege They Had To Give Up Pay To Attend 'Mandatory' Romney Rally

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Earlier this month, Mitt Romney was welcomed for a campaign event at the Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio, by hundreds of coal workers and their families. Now many of the mine's workers are saying they were forced to give up a day-worth of pay to attend the event, and they feared they might be fired if they didn’t, according to local news radio WWVA.

The claims have been mostly denied by Rob Moore, Chief Financial Officer of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine. He acknowledges that workers weren’t paid that day but says no one was made to attend the event. Well, kind of.

"Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend," he told local news radio WWVA, which has received several emails from workers claiming that the company records names of workers that don't attend those types of events.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/century-mine-romney-ohio-mand
atory_n_1836674.html?utm_hp_ref=business


And don't they look just thrilled to be there?







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:59 PM

RIONAEIRE

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That ain't fair.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:06 PM

MAL4PREZ


I picture someone like, I don't know, Bjork belting this out with properly eerie background music. Electronic violins in uncomfortably tight, squeaky chords...

Ameeeeeerica! Ameeeeeeerica!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with broooooooootherhood
From sea to shining sea!

...

Ameeeeeeerica! Ameeeeeerica!
God mend thine every flaaaaaaaaaaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in laaaaaaaw!

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:51 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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"Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend," he told local news


Certainly not forced because their children were held hostage or anything.









Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:41 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
...was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend...


Somebody needs to beat that asshat senseless with a copy of Websters Unabridged.

-F

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I wonder what he thinks the difference between "mandatory" and "forced"? I heard about this one last night too, and was predictably disgusted. How these people think just blows my mind...

...and the worst part is, the right will NEVER hear about this shit. I'd give my eyeteeth if there were JUST some way Romney's supporters could hear all the truth about what actually happens--in so many ways! Yeah, I know some--probably most--of them would dismiss all of it, probably as some kind of "librul conspiracy", but there ARE thinking Republicans (I HAVE to believe it!) for whom it would give pause. But they're the last who will EVER know the truth about what they're being fed, so in the end it makes no difference. Dammit.

No, damn FauxNews! If there were no FauxNews, people would have to get their news from other sources, many of which would at LEAST report the truth! As it is, FauxNews and conservative talk shows are their only sources, so, just like Raptor, they only hear what the right wants them to hear.


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The implication seems to be that it was a "mandatory" attendance event as far as your job was concerned, but that they didn't "force" anyone to attend. Unless they wanted to keep their job, of course.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Murray Energy Miners Allege They Had To Give Up Pay To Attend 'Mandatory' Romney Rally


There are few interest groups in America more unified in their opposition to President Obama then West Virginia coal miners.

I suspect the complaint has been filed by the union organizers...who oddly do not share the political views of the members.

It comes down to some very simple facts...coal miners mine coal for use in energy production and the President opposes the mining of coal and its use for energy production. So while Obama may be visiting Akron to talk about stimulas...you probably wont see him in Beckley talking about green jobs.

I note for the record:

1996 Clinton 52, Dole 37, Perot 11

2000 Bush 52, Gore 46

2004 Bush 56, Kerry 43

2008 McCain 56, Obama 43

West Virginia is 3-2 Republican in last 5 elections, 5-5 in the last 10, but prior to 2000 only voted Republican 3 times from 1928-1999.

H


Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:50 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

There are few interest groups in America more unified in their opposition to President Obama then West Virginia coal miners.



And that totally makes it okay to force those who may not feel the same to go. Even those who do support Romney, you really think they were thrilled to give up pay to go? And your "suspicions" don't match up with the words of the people who were ACTUALLY THERE.

Fuck you, "hero". You are an epic piece of shit.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:21 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Fuck you, "hero". You are an epic piece of shit.


Another well reasoned argument.

Look, Coal Miners and Coal Companies are 99.9% at odds in typical Union-Management fashion. The ONE thing they ALL agree on is that they will not vote for Barrack Obama (or ALGore or John Kerry). The fact is Obama and the Coal Miners differ on only one issue...mining coal (which for some strange reason is fairly important to the coal miners). If not for the National Democratic Party's stance on coal production they'd be winning West Virginia by their traditional margins.

So while you get the typical..."I don't wanna go and you can't make me" from the same guy that says "my lunch break was fifteen seconds short" or "I had to walk an extra fifteen feet to take a leak" and immediately files a grievence...I guarantee that the company and the miners (as a whole) were all glad to show their support on the one thing they all agree on.

Had a cop file a grievence once because we were resurfacing the parking lot and he had to park in the lot across the street adding about fifty feet to his walk to work for ONE day. He won...I called him a pansy. He beat his wife (largely unrelated to the parking issue)...we fired him. He filed a grievence and won. As soon as he gets out of prison (he got three years)...he can come back to work...as a police officer...who can't carry a gun because he beat his wife...that my friends is why unions suck (or are great depending on your perspective).

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mark, it's even worse than just mandatory attendance and losing a day's pay. Not only were they forced to attend, THEY HAD TO CONTRIBUTE TO ROMNEY'S CAMPAIGN!!!
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On August 14, 2012, Mitt Romney held a campaign event in Beallsville, Ohio that featured coal miners as a back drop from the Century Mine. Yesterday, on WWVA talk radio, host David Blomquist read e-mails from coal miners who work for the Century Mine, which is owned by Murray Energy Corporation.

In the e-mails, miners said that they were forced to attend the campaign rally, without pay, and had to donate to the Romney campaign. Bloomquist said that he had received several e-mails and calls to his show about the intimidation being used against them.

Blomquist interviewed Rob Moore the Chief Financial Officer for Murray Energy Corporation on his talk show to address the complaints by the miners.

David Blomquist told Moore that miners feared for their jobs if they did not attend the Romney event, and then read one of the e-mails from the miners:
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““Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up by non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time,” the employees told Blomquist. “Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events.”

“I realize that many people in this area and elsewhere would love to have my job or my benefits,” one worker explained. “And our bosses do not hesitate in reminding us of this. However, I cannot agree with these callers and my supervisors, who are saying that just because you have a good job, that you should have to work any day for free on almost no notice without your consent.”

“We do not appreciate being intimidated into exchanging our time for nothing. I heard one of your callers saying that Murray employees are well aware of what they are getting into upon hire, or that they are informed that a percentage of their income will go to political donations. I cannot speak for that caller, but this is news for me. We merely find out how things work by experience.”

CFO Rob Moore told Blomquist that the charges were untrue, and the following conversation between Moore and Blomquist took place:
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Moore: “There were no workers that were forced to attend the event. We had managers that communicated to our work force that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event. We had a preregistration list. And employees were asked to put their names on a preregistration list because they could not get into the event unless they were preregistered and had a name tag to enter the premises.”

Blomquist: “What about not getting paid for an eight-hour day? If the mine was shut down for the visit, I understand, but wouldn’t it be fair, let’s use the word ‘fair’, to still pay these individuals for that day? I mean, it wasn’t their fault they weren’t working.”

Moore: “Our management people wanted to attend the event and we could not have people underground during Romney’s visit”.

Blomquist: “But why not still pay then their wage for that day?”

Moore: “By federal election law, we could not pay people to attend the event. And we did not want anyone to come back and see where anyone had been paid for that day.”

Blomquist: “I’m not saying pay them to attend the event, I’m saying, ‘Hey look, we have to close down the mine, if you want to attend this event, that’s fine, but you’re still going to get a day’s pay for the work that you would have done. Why not do that?”

Moore: “As a private employer, it was our decision and we made the decision not to pay the people”.

“We’re talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that’s related to the coal industry. I do not believe that missing an eight-hour day, when you put it into perspective, when you think about how critical this next election is, and how critical it is that we get someone in this office that supports coal, to give up eight hours for a career, I just don’t believe that there is anything negative about that.”

Robert Murray, the CEO of Murray Energy Corporation received national attention in 2009 after his Crandall Canyon Mine in Utah collapsed, leaving six miners trapped inside. Government mine inspectors had issued 325 citations against the Utah mine since January 2004, according to federal Mine Safety and Health Administration online records.

Murray is a large campaign donor for Republicans and runs a Super PAC called the Murray Energy Corporation Political Action Committee. The Super PAC has given $317,575.00 to various Republican campaigns, including Mitt Romney in 2012.

This past June, Mitt Romney spoke to the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB), and told them to threaten their employees and “make it very clear” that they must support his campaign or they could lose their jobs. http://www.examiner.com/article/coal-miners-forced-to-attend-romney-ev
ent-and-donate-to-campaign

Damn those government inspectors; obviously a private company should be able to do whatever they want with their employees! After all, they're expendable...

That "make it clear" thing?
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Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican Party nominee, spoke to the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) yesterday in a Tele-Townhall meeting, telling them to “make it very clear” to their employees who they should vote for in the November General Election. The NFIB has over 100,000 members nationwide. "I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections," Romney said. He laughed, saying “nothing illegal” about informing your employees, even if it may be inferred as a threat to losing their jobs. "Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I believe that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision."
Wow. Just wow.

ANYONE who tries to defend mine owners at this point should be strung up by their balls (if they have them, which I sometimes doubt). Given the PROVEN egregious conduct by mine owners and how it has cost the lives of many miners, defending them is unconscionable. I have friends who live there, one married to a miner, and the things they have to say about how the miners are treated would curl your hair.

Response from someone on the difference between "mandatory" and "forced" in the article had me giggle:
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You know. It’s the same as the difference between “forcible rape”, where you actively hold down the struggling woman, or “not really rape” where you just say “lie there or I’ll kill you” and she does. If you don’t actually use force, then it’s not so bad.
and
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If the miners were legitimately forced to attend, then it would be impossible for them to be impregnated with Republican talking points.
The situation is disgusting, but you gotta laugh at those reactions.




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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I guarantee that the company and the miners (as a whole) were all glad to show their support on the one thing they all agree on.



The fact that there are complaints from some of the miners about being told to attend and NOT being paid to do so proves you wrong, Zero.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How much does that CFO make in a year? Let's work out what that "8-hour day" would be for him, in real dollars, and ask him if he's comfortable giving that up just on someone else's say-so.

If you're living paycheck to paycheck, losing a day's wages isn't something you'll take kindly to.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:44 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Fuck you, "hero". You are an epic piece of shit.


Another well reasoned argument.

Look, Coal Miners and Coal Companies are 99.9% at odds in typical Union-Management fashion. The ONE thing they ALL agree on is that they will not vote for Barrack Obama (or ALGore or John Kerry). The fact is Obama and the Coal Miners differ on only one issue...mining coal (which for some strange reason is fairly important to the coal miners). If not for the National Democratic Party's stance on coal production they'd be winning West Virginia by their traditional margins.

So while you get the typical..."I don't wanna go and you can't make me" from the same guy that says "my lunch break was fifteen seconds short" or "I had to walk an extra fifteen feet to take a leak" and immediately files a grievence...I guarantee that the company and the miners (as a whole) were all glad to show their support on the one thing they all agree on.



You can be as "sure" as you want, douchebag - they're the ones who were forced, and THEY spoke up about it.

Seriously, fuck off you piece of shit. There is no argument to be had. You're an asshole.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

So while you get the typical..."I don't wanna go and you can't make me" from the same guy that says "my lunch break was fifteen seconds short" or "I had to walk an extra fifteen feet to take a leak" and immediately files a grievence...I guarantee that the company and the miners (as a whole) were all glad to show their support on the one thing they all agree on.
Oh my gawd, what a truly ASSININE statement! Those (and it wasn't just one or two) who dared to speak up about it MUST be slack offs! Wow.

Try this on for size:
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Employees who contacted Blomquist and others in the industry contend that the August event is the latest example of the lengths Murray is willing to go to back his political priorities. In the days just after the rally, about seven or eight mine workers, supposedly independent of one another, emailed and called Blomquist to tell him about the circumstances surrounding the rally. The radio host, known as Bloomdaddy, said once he began talking about the issue on the air, he was contacted by other current and former Murray employees, bringing the number of those sharing the same concerns to 15 to 20 people.

The wife of an hourly employee at the Century mine said in an interview with the Washington Bureau the event was mandatory, and that workers were told to arrive at 8 a.m. to a local school, where they registered to attend the rally and then waited much of the day to be bused to the mine. The schedule ate into her husband’s free time, which bothered him, she said. She said she did not want to be identified for fear her husband would lose his job.

“He was really upset that they took his free time with his family away from him,” she said. In general, she said “he felt like they were pushing the Republican choice on him and he felt a little intimidated by that.”

Blomquist’s correspondents said they are routinely pressured to donate to Republican causes and that the company keeps track of who gives and who doesn’t. Workers sometimes have their pay envelopes stuffed with political literature, the employee’s wife said.

Blomquist said his callers chose to stay anonymous from the radio audience for fear of dismissal, but that he had not spoken to anyone who suffered retribution for veering from Murray Energy’s politics. The mine worker’s wife said her husband did not attend the rally and so far hasn’t faced any repercussions.

Blomquist said his callers mainly wanted an end to the overt politics. “They just want the feeling of pressure and the rhetoric to stop,” he said.

Phil Smith, spokesman for the United Mineworkers of America, which endorsed Obama in 2008, said although many coal companies talk to employees from time to time about developments in the industry, Murray Energy stood apart.

“He holds frequent meetings with employees letting folks know his views with respect to politics and trashing Obama and trashing us for supporting Obama in '08,” Smith said of Robert Murray. “They’re weekly, maybe biweekly. So, in tone and amount of activism, he is unique.” http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-miners-romney-rally-2012082
9,0,7736824.story
]
Yeah, everything's like you said, and all is hunky-dorey with all but the "slackers". Right.

By the way:
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Murray Energy gained attention during the August 2007 collapse of a mine it co-owned in Utah, Crandall Canyon Mine, during which six miners were killed and three other men perished in the rescue effort. The media at the time revealed that Murray Energy had a far worse safety record at some of its mines than other coal companies of similar size. Robert Murray blamed the collapse on an earthquake, a theory scientists later discredited.
Yeah, he's definitely one of the good guys--screw the miners, it's that bottom line that counts!

Let's look a bit closer:
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Besides American Century, Murray's company, the largest independent coal operator in the country, also owns, via a subsidiary, the Crandall Canyon Mine in Utah. Five years ago this month, six miners and three rescue workers were killed in that mine. Murray showed his true colors with his belligerent behavior after the accident. The Mine Safety and Health Administration fined the operation more than $1.85 million for violations that it says directly contributed to the deaths. Murray had said the violations were trivial and lied about one of the them, withholding information from the federal government about a dangerous mining technique the company decided to use to meet its coal quota just before the lethal collapse.

Murray has lobbied against new safety regulations, arguing that these are "playing politics with the safety of my employees."

Yup, obviously one of the good guys!

Oh, and just for the hell of it, so is Romney--or at least he WAS:
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Romney now opposes strong regulation of the coal industry and argues that carbon emissions should not be subject to regulation under the Clean Air Act. As Massachusetts governor, however, he lauded carbon emission limits and at one point stood outside a coal plant and said, "I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant, that plant kills people." He also backed a regional cap-and-trade system, which would reduce carbon pollution by imposing caps on emissions and allowing companies to buy and sell pollution permits, before backing off of that position.
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In early May, Republican Mitt Romney made a pilgrimage worth about $1.7 million to the White Palace Ballroom in Wheeling, West Virginia. He was greeted by almost 700 donors assembled with the help of host Bob Murray, chief executive officer of Murray Energy Corp. and a coal mine owner.

Romney, who as Massachusetts governor vowed to close an aging coal-fired power plant because it “kills people,” has embraced the coal industry in his presidential bid, with Murray proving a key ally. He touts coal development as central to his aim of achieving “North American energy independence” at the end of a second term in office.

If you actually trust this guy, you are off your noggin!

And then there's this:
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The recent letter from the President of the Ohio Coal Association (OCA) misrepresented President Obama’s policy on coal. The Obama administration sought an unprecedented amount of federal funding for clean coal technology, and President Obama signed the 2009 law providing $3.4 billion to support such technology. Employment in Appalachian coal mining has reached a 17-year high under President Obama.

The OCA president discussed the EPA Cross State Air Pollution Rule and the Utility MACT rule that were actually issued by President George W. Bush in 2005. The dire economic consequences asserted by a 2010 study that OCA cites are based upon the Bush regulations. After a federal court vacated the Bush regulations, the Obama administration revised the regulations to address the legal concerns.

International Coal Group’s Wilbur Ross points to the increasing supply of gas at lower prices as a problem for the coal industry. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, most coal-fired plants were built before 1980 and 73 percent were more than 30 years old. John W. Rowe, CEO of the Exelon Corporation, has stated that “these regulations will not kill coal, in fact, modeling done on the impacts of these rules shows that up to 50 percent of the retirements (of coal-fired plants) are due to the current economics of the plant due to natural gas and coal prices.”

Employment in coal has grown in the past few years because of increased U.S. coal exports, highest level since 1992, and increased federal emphasis on clean coal technologies. http://www.timesreporter.com/opinion/letters/x1458019581/Readers-viewp
oint-Coal-has-grown-not-suffered-under-Obama


Wanna try again??


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Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Zero's response?



:crickets:




What a shocker.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You expected otherwise?


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Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:14 AM

STORYMARK


What, the piece of shit lawyer pulled a fade?

Big surprise there. What a prick.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
What, the piece of shit lawyer pulled a fade?




You misspelled "liar". :)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:41 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Not that "madatory volunteering" to go to the Romney rally without pay was a good thing, but I wonder how folks would feel if the company had paid employees to go to a Romney rally.

Also wonder how folks would feel if the miner's union had let it be known that it was "strongly suggested" that the members show up at an Obama rally, and that notes would be taken on who was, and wasn't there.

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:51 PM

WHOZIT


Coal is used to make electricity to charge Chey Volts....which they've stopped building

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! They're stupid.

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:54 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Zero's response?



:crickets:




What a shocker.



Or his internet may be down like mine was.

Speaking of crickets, we still have the question of what you think I agree with a White Republican, or disagree with a Black Democrat, about.

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:01 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You misspelled "liar". :)



Mike and Story, you just won the Trollo Libre tag team championship belt!!

What are you going to do NOW?



Grow up?

Get a life?

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:20 PM

STORYMARK


Just keep mocking the endless bullshit, that's all.

Note you're sticking up for the guy who is demonstrably fucking wrong, and is endorsing fascist behavior.

But sure, we're the trolls. Eat me, granpa.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:19 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Eat me, granpa.



Nope. Not a scatophage.

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Coal is used to make electricity to charge Chey Volts....which they've stopped building

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! They're stupid.




Have they? They just set another sales record for Volt sales. And it is still outselling GM's other "halo car", the Corvette.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You misspelled "liar". :)



Mike and Story, you just won the Trollo Libre tag team championship belt!!

What are you going to do NOW?




Grow up?

Get a life?




You mean grow up and get a life by posting pictures of wrestlers on a canceled TV show's fan forum?

Or is that a picture of you and the wife?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 31, 2012 3:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You mean grow up and get a life by posting pictures of wrestlers on a canceled TV show's fan forum?



Considering the number of pictures you post on a canceled TV show's fan forum, Mike, maybe you should reconsider that statement.

BTW: Still waiting for that list of things I'd agree with a White Republican or disagree with a Black Democrat about.

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Friday, August 31, 2012 4:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You mean grow up and get a life by posting pictures of wrestlers on a canceled TV show's fan forum?



Considering the number of pictures you post on a canceled TV show's fan forum, Mike, maybe you should reconsider that statement.




That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.

You really aren't very bright, are you?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Also wonder how folks would feel if the miner's union had let it be known that it was "strongly suggested" that the members show up at an Obama rally, and that notes would be taken on who was, and wasn't there.
I, for one, would be very angry at such a thing, and wouldn't hesitate to speak up. But it won't happen, so the question is irrelevant.

As is your continued "white/black" question. I can't even figure out what that IS...you haven't said what the question IS, and if it's just generic, that indicates a racist and bigoted mentality. You're intimating you'd agree with someone just because of his skin color and political stance? In that case, I have absolutely no interest in which you would choose, and I don't see why anyone else would either. That's a truly stupid question.

I still haven't been convinced you're an attorney. I worked for attorneys most of my working life, and NONE shows the ignorance you do consistently. Of course, there ARE stupid attorneys, I guess, just like everything else. But you sure as shit don't think like a lawyer...

Aside from which, it's pretty ridiculous to tell someone to grow up and get a life, considering from where you're telling them to do so! If any of us had full, robust lives we wouldn't have the time to hang out here and yak, so I guess your life isn't that much different from any of ours.


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Friday, August 31, 2012 11:10 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You mean grow up and get a life by posting pictures of wrestlers on a canceled TV show's fan forum?



Considering the number of pictures you post on a canceled TV show's fan forum, Mike, maybe you should reconsider that statement.




That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.

You really aren't very bright, are you?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



He's becoming as stupid as zitboy.

We should pity him. Old age does terrible things to a mind. Especially one that was so stunted to begin with.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, August 31, 2012 11:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You mean grow up and get a life by posting pictures of wrestlers on a canceled TV show's fan forum?



Considering the number of pictures you post on a canceled TV show's fan forum, Mike, maybe you should reconsider that statement.




That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.

You really aren't very bright, are you?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



He's becoming as stupid as zitboy.

We should pity him. Old age does terrible things to a mind. Especially one that was so stunted to begin with.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"





Next thing you know, he'll be having long conversations with an empty chair!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."




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Friday, August 31, 2012 11:32 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Eat me, granpa.



Nope. Not a scatophage.



Rather telling that you omit the comments on your behavior.

You're so eager to call those who don't fit into your partisan box "trolls', but nary a negative word for wastes of space like whozit, who does nothing BUT troll, or hero - who you'll defend even when he lies and praises fascism.

What does that make you?


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, August 31, 2012 5:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
What does that make you?


A Republican.


-F

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.


Was I suggesting that?

What do trolls do when they reach the pinnacle of trolldom?

Go back under the bridge?


Quote:

You really aren't very bright, are you?


For you, wouldn't need to be.


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Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:56 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Rather telling that you omit the comments on your behavior.



What? They had nothing to do with mybehavior.

With your fantasy, maybe.

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:58 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
What does that make you?


A Republican.


-F



So I'll ask you pretty much the same question Mike keeps avoiding.

Where have I agreed with any Republican policies or platform planks?


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Saturday, September 1, 2012 5:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.


Was I suggesting that?

What do trolls do when they reach the pinnacle of trolldom?

Go back under the bridge?




Change their name to "Geezer", apparently.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:01 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Or his internet may be down like mine was.

Speaking of crickets, we still have the question of what you think I agree with a White Republican, or disagree with a Black Democrat, about.


I was busy this week...Partying with a few thousand friends...in Florida.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:52 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.


Was I suggesting that?

What do trolls do when they reach the pinnacle of trolldom?

Go back under the bridge?




Change their name to "Geezer", apparently.




No, Mike. You can't change your name to Geezer. It's already taken.

You and your wingman could merge into StoryMike.


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Sunday, September 2, 2012 3:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.


Was I suggesting that?

What do trolls do when they reach the pinnacle of trolldom?

Go back under the bridge?




Change their name to "Geezer", apparently.




No, Mike. You can't change your name to Geezer. It's already taken.

You and your wingman could merge into StoryMike.





I know "Geezer" is already taken, by the one who has reached the pinnacle of trolldom. Maybe you could merge with your familiar, and call yourselves "AUGeezer"...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:59 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That would actually make sense if I were telling people to grow up and get a life.


Was I suggesting that?

What do trolls do when they reach the pinnacle of trolldom?

Go back under the bridge?




Change their name to "Geezer", apparently.




No, Mike. You can't change your name to Geezer. It's already taken.

You and your wingman could merge into StoryMike.





I know "Geezer" is already taken, by the one who has reached the pinnacle of trolldom. Maybe you could merge with your familiar, and call yourselves "AUGeezer"...



"Well, so are you..." is the best response you can come up with?

Forget it, Mike.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

"Well, so are you..." is the best response you can come up with?




This is all you've been doing here for years, old man.

But you're going to cry about it when somebody makes fun of your stupid ass for the same shit that is your stock in trade?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, September 3, 2012 2:23 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

This is all you've been doing here for years, old man.

But you're going to cry about it when somebody makes fun of your stupid ass for the same shit that is your stock in trade?




So, by your playground rules, I'm now supposed to respond, "Well, you're ugly and your sister smells." Is that right?

And I'm still waiting for that explanation of which issues I agree with a White Republican, or disagree with a Black Democrat, about.

I notice that while you're handy with a schoolyard insult, an actual answer is kind'a sparse.


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Monday, September 3, 2012 7:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I've noticed the same thing about you, more than once.


Maybe I should just call you a "sick fuck" and then threaten to leave the forum, huh?


I already pointed out days ago that you agree with the white Republican(s) and disagree with the black Democrat(s) at least on the Voter ID issue. Did you not read the response, or did you forget already?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

I was busy this week...Partying with a few thousand friends...in Florida.
I call bullshit. Just like the bullshit about you being an attorney.

Once again (tho' thanx for the example, Mike), "white Republican" v. "Black Democrat" merely shows your bigotry, and says absolutely nothing about which "side" you prefer. Were you to do other than consistently apologize/excuse/defend Republicans and diss Democrats, maybe...as I used to once upon a time...we'd think you were nonpartisan. As it is, I call bullshit on that claim, too. NOTHING is about "white Republicans v. Black Democrats", the question is totally irrelevant. And disagree with the Republican platform means nothing, as well. The Republican platform doesn't reflect Republicans, just the fringers who wrote it, and if the Democratic platform is anything like as extreme and insane, I'll disagree with IT, too.

The concept that you might be nonpartisan has long gone out the window, and there's absolutely NO indication otherwise. Amusingly, you had to CONVINCE me that you were nonpartisan, because I once believed otherwise. I'm thoroughly and completely convinced by now; I can't remember why, but I do know that I once even LIKED you, which is in the distant past as well. I'm not usually all THAT blind, so I can't grasp how I was so deluded, unless something changed along the way. But what the hell, I'm only human. You've done an excellent job of convincing me now, however, and you reaffirm it with virtually every post. Congrats!

You are now what I would call a not-as-blind Raptor and a not-as-stupid Whozit, but definitely thoroughly biased in the same direction they are.


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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 3:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What changed was that Geezer decided to show his true face, and we all realized he was nothing but a common troll.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:58 PM

HERO


I'm still on Vacation, this week I'm in the Great State of West Virgnia in my hometown.

Today, hundreds of coal miners laid off, hundreds more expected by friday. Also layoffs from the mining supply and equipment companies.

Every one of those workers wishes they still had a job that forced them to attend a rally for the guy who wants them to dig coal rather then tilt at windmills.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I already pointed out days ago that you agree with the white Republican(s) and disagree with the black Democrat(s) at least on the Voter ID issue. Did you not read the response, or did you forget already?



Nope. Just pointed out that you were wrong, yet again. Didn't you read my response?

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