Is Paul Ryan Fundamentally Incapable of Telling the Truth? by Kwicko

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Is Paul Ryan Fundamentally Incapable of Telling the Truth?

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 5:30 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Okay, we all know that Paul Ryan told a pack of whoppers in his floor speech at the RNC - so many, in fact, that even Fox said he might be trying to win a gold medal for blatant lying.

But is he capable of telling the truth about ANYTHING?

He claimed he ran a marathon in "a two hour and fifty-something" time - a truly impressive feat for anyone to accomplish. Problem is, he's only ever run one marathon, and that one took him more than 4 hours.

So if he can't tell the truth about even the simplest of things, is there anything he WON'T lie about? Isn't this an indictment of the man's very character, if he's so willing to be so cavalier with the truth?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/paul-ryan-marathon-time_n_184
8715.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Mike, having crossed paths with the right-wingers here, being witness to the flap about Bill Nye the Science Guy. and listening (gingerly) to the RNC Convention, I have to say I'm horrified by how disconnected the right wing is from reality. There is something truly scary knowing that 40% of the USA population believes that god made people in their (our) current form, and also watching them swallow the shit that the GOP just spewed. I think it is being called "post fact media" or some such: facts no longer matter to a large portion of the population, they are willing to believe whatever propaganda is being sprayed at them today and forget whatever was sprayed at them yesterday.

My only consolation in this whole thing is that reality catches up with people sooner or later.

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:08 PM

TRAVELER

Kwicko, give the guy a break. It is hard to compete with Bush's WMD in Iraq and waterboarding isn't that bad. He is just at the "I can see Russia from my backdoor" level. Give him time to work up to the big ones.

http://www.imdb.com/list/1pzry-tpdaI/

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

You're the one who is lying here.

Fox never did say Ryan was lying. You're referring to some Left wing blogger who contributes to FOX, but in fact was lying her own damn self.

Funny how the Left uber exaggerates anything a Republican says, but strangely is deaf, dumb and mute when a Liberal says nothing BUT lies, time and time again.

This 100% phony, completely contrived and childish ( hell yes, I said it ) temper tantrum the Left has in inSISTING that Ryan is some sort of 'liar', is beyond absurd.

By their own standards, if Ryan IS such a liar, the Left should be kissing his feet and offering to bear his young! After all, Libs LOVE Bill Clinton, who is as official a liar as the WH has ever HAD! So why the hate towards Ryan ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:
Kwicko, give the guy a break. It is hard to compete with Bush's WMD in Iraq and waterboarding isn't that bad. He is just at the "I can see Russia from my backdoor" level. Give him time to work up to the big ones.

Iraq was in violation of the UN, for what ever the hell that's worth.

Waterboading isn't that bad, but it yielded results which lead to the killing of bin Laden. So give props where due.

Palin never said that about Russia. You've confused her w/ an SNL skit.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 12:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"Post fact media" only works because there are "post fact people" who heed the call. Since rappy comes here for his shot of dopamine (the addiction chemical) which his brain is trained to squirt every time he reinforces a delusion (Yep, mental masturbation!) I respectfully suggest that we deny him the opportunity and let him and his baseless/irrelevant opinions slip out of sight as we talk about more interesting things.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:05 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This 100% phony, completely contrived and childish ( hell yes, I said it ) temper tantrum the Left has in inSISTING that Ryan is some sort of 'liar', is beyond absurd.

Irony, thy name is Rappy. Your little "childish temper tantrum" here has no fewer than eight instances of whinging about "lies" and "lying" and "uber exaggeration" and "contrived" and "phony", while you try to insist that everyone is lying except Ryan.

"Post-fact media", indeed. You've made it abundantly clear that facts will have no effect on you.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sig, you can't deny anything I said, so instead, you simply wallow in the lowest levels of discourse, and attempt to hurl baseless insults.

Truth has no business w/ you, at all.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
I have to say I'm horrified by how disconnected the right wing is from reality. There is something truly scary knowing that 40% of the USA population believes that god made people in their (our) current form, and also watching them swallow the shit that the GOP just spewed.

About says it. Tho' I left 'horrified' so far back I can't even see it. It was astonishing to me, the way they lie blatantly so MUCH, but I finally got it: "Anything goes". There used to be ways to inform the public of lies, and there still is, but given nowadays they have FauxNews to repeat the lies and are so far right that I think their base has completely lost touch with reality, there's no stopping them anymore. I believe they truly have decided as a group that anything goes, otherwise so many of them wouldn't be lying, and there wouldn't have been so many truly blatant lies at the RNC convention. They know nobody who their base will listen to will call them out, so I guess they figure "why not?" It's sickening, but no longer surprises me.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:25 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

Quote:
I have to say I'm horrified by how disconnected the right wing is from reality. There is something truly scary knowing that 40% of the USA population believes that god made people in their (our) current form, and also watching them swallow the shit that the GOP just spewed.
About says it. Tho' I left 'horrified' so far back I can't even see it. It was astonishing to me, the way they lie blatantly so MUCH, but I finally got it: "Anything goes". There used to be ways to inform the public of lies, and there still is, but given nowadays they have FauxNews to repeat the lies and are so far right that I think their base has completely lost touch with reality, there's no stopping them anymore. I believe they truly have decided as a group that anything goes, otherwise so many of them wouldn't be lying, and there wouldn't have been so many truly blatant lies at the RNC convention. They know nobody who their base will listen to will call them out, so I guess they figure "why not?" It's sickening, but no longer surprises me.

Y'know, I heard Wolf Blitzer, who was once a revered journalist and reporter among some folks, say after Ryan's LieFest something to the effect of, "Well, that will keep the fact-checkers busy..." Hey Wolf - YOU ARE THE FACT CHECKER!!! You're a reporter, you fucking idiot; if you're not interested in the facts and reporting them, what good are you?

He's far from the only one, of course. These days, it's more of a surprise when a reporter slips up and commits an act of honest journalism than when they just repeat the press releases they've been handed. Soledad O'Brien called out a couple people on their bullshit in the last couple weeks, and frankly I'm surprised she hasn't been fired for it. Chris Matthews called out Reince Preibus on his bullshit on The Morning Joe, and there was a bit of an uncomfortable silence from the rest of the panel. It seemed like they were antsy that anyone called out a guy they might have to talk to in the future at some point.

Quit kissing the asses of these people. Call their bullshit what it is. You'd be amazed at the response you'll get from viewers. Hell, CNN might even get viewers out of such a bold move!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
About says it. Tho' I left 'horrified' so far back I can't even see it. It was astonishing to me, the way they lie blatantly so MUCH, but I finally got it: "Anything goes". There used to be ways to inform the public of lies, and there still is, but given nowadays they have FauxNews to repeat the lies and are so far right that I think their base has completely lost touch with reality, there's no stopping them anymore. I believe they truly have decided as a group that anything goes, otherwise so many of them wouldn't be lying, and there wouldn't have been so many truly blatant lies at the RNC convention. They know nobody who their base will listen to will call them out, so I guess they figure "why not?" It's sickening, but no longer surprises me.

Replace FOX news with MSNBC in particular, and the rest of the MSM , and switch RNC with DNC, and you have it exactly right.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 7:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Fox New has been boasting that their convention coverage ratings were higher than ABC, NBC, and CBS. WOW!...but wait a minute, hold on...Fox covered 5 or 6 hours a night, while the networks only carried the main speakers for about an hour a night.

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 3:57 PM

KWICKO

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Is Paul Ryan Fundamentally Incapable of Telling the Truth?"

Well, either he is really incapable, or he's just motivated by a gullible audience and a nice piece of cheese at the end of the tunnel.

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Monday, September 3, 2012 3:21 PM

KWICKO

Another day, another whopper from Ryan. Y'know, for someone who's obsessed with numbers, Ryan is really horrible with them.

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Monday, September 3, 2012 3:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I shouldn't laugh. It's terrible that he's so god awful with the truth. But the gap between the claim and the facts - it's not even close. Not even a little. Not even explainable by any reasonable means. Slipped a decimal place? Nope. Number of employees? Nope. And that's what makes it so damn funny.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:41 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Funny, yes...or it would be, if it weren't for the fact that the people he's speaking to will never know the truth, which makes it "scary" instead.

It confuses me, if I think about it (which I long since ceased to do as it went on and on, culminating in his speech at the RNC). He's been touted as the "numbers guy", the shrewd one who is so great with facts and figures...now THIS?! The only thing I can conceive of is that he was schooled in the "anything goes now" mentality and is being a good little candidate in following the Republicans' lead. They're all doing it, and the VP is supposed to be the "attack dog", so he's just doing his job. Otherwise, it makes absolutely no sense for someone who has been considered smart and factual for so long. Just like McCain accepted Palin because it was his last chance at the spotlight (which I still believe), I think Ryan is playing the game he's been given.

Unquestionably they've learned they can say anything with no consequences, and it's working for them. There ARE no consequences; given their audience hates Obama so much they WANT to hear his lies, and given the majority of their audience (like Raptor) ONLY get their info from right-wing talk radio and FauxNews, it's perfectly safe to lie their asses off...their voters will never hear otherwise.

I used to laugh at their idiocy (well, I still do), but it's gotten so out of control that now I can only shake my head in disgust. We need a VIABLE second party, dammit, but I don't see one on the horizon. As it is, if the Repubs continue following their "Party of No" agenda and keep lying about EVERYTHING, I'm afraid they will become irrelevant, and that just won't do.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 3:25 PM

KWICKO