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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey Niki,

It absolutely gets this bad--and worse--every 4 years. And every four years we have people starting threads on how they're leaving and, I dare say, every four years we have threads on the subject of this four year cycle. Things will be back to "normal" in a few months.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Only coming here every other day or so, I find it frustrating to even bother. I am struck by the same thing as many others who only come here occasionally. This place has turned almost COMPLETELY into a forum of tit-for-tat between a very few people. I skip a lot of threads because of that, and others I just read the first few posts then maybe add a post of my own at the end.

Is this really what we want? Yeah, it's an election year and things (from what I've heard from others) go this way especially before elections, but it's really saddening. And frustrating to the rest of us. We'd LIKE to talk about real world events, but almost every post that gets put up, even those not about politics specifically, degenerates into a lengthy "I know you are, but what am I" infantile back and forth between just a couple of people. All Rap has to do anymore to derail a discussion is post ONCE, something totally irrelevant, snarky or a personal attack, and away you guys go.

If this is really how you want RWED to end up, just some ridiculous threads consisting of little but playground bickering and insults, nobody can stop you. I'm just saying what many others have said--most of those others long gone by now. We used to have some wonderful voices here; we used to have some lively discussions; most of them are gone now, and most of those left just brawl.

It wasn't like that when I first arrived...I hope what some have said comes to pass, that after the election there will be more discussions of other things and more voices to hear...but at present, I tend to have little hope. I either go away after a few minutes (unless I get caught up in some debate, which is more and more rare) or try to put up a few things NONpolitical before I go.

Okay, pile on me for "telling people how to behave" or whatever; all I know is, I'm here less and less and others have left; if it keeps up, it will only be you few, going at each other constantly. If that's what you want, so be it.

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
As it was your position that the French cartoonist's should have known better than to satirize the prophet Mohammed. Perhaps you should know better than to start a myriad number of highly partisan threads which cause the back and forth you so lament.

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:

As it was your position that the French cartoonist's should have known better than to satirize the prophet Mohammed. Perhaps you should know better than to start a myriad number of highly partisan threads which cause the back and forth you so lament.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Rules are different for Leftists, BDN. You should know better by now.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Rules are different for Leftists, BDN. You should know better by now.

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Translation: "Waaaaah. They keep expecting me to back my claims with evidence. Those mean libruls. Waaaah."

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getting a new prosthetic (this is *not* going well, friggin so-called-experts and IMHO it's fekkin amateur hour, arrghh!)

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ragtag group of half clueless misfits in regards to an appalling situation in Pennsylvania

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


See what I mean ? I always DO back my claims w/ evidence, but then there's the inevitable " I don't count right -wing news as being legitimate !" crap.

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I always DO back my claims w/ evidence

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Is he KIDDING? Most of the posts I see Rap put up have NO links...those that do link to not just right-wing "news", as he claims, but to right-wing websites like Drudge, which are about as "real" as citing MSNBC on the left! Amazing...

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I find this so inconsiderate, it's offensive.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
This place is not interesting or alive unless I am here.
Its just an echo chamber without me.

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I notice she only seems to call out one side for the tit for tat (Auraptor, Wulf) while remaining silent regarding the worst culprits, IMHO.

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
And 20 posts later, my little contribution was not even noted. Which sort of illustrates my point perfectly. Even Dear Niki, who ALWAYS used to at least acknowledge my presence, has passed me over to continue the argument....

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

.. we Conservatives never or hardly ever band together in any measure like the libs here do. We tend to let our kindred spirits go it alone, opting usually to avoid someone elses fray. I accept that as a reality and the rest just rolls off my back without much ado from me. I get ignored most of the time anyhow, and I like that alot. I know from the past that many people do indeed read my posts, and that is good enough for me. And being called a dipshit merely because I express my opinions is far better than when I was called a fucking steaming pile of go se a while back. It's kind of funny actually.

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I advise the folks here to stay here. I suspect there are a lot of ex-posters, now lurkers, who continue to read all the postings. Who knows, you may impact people without ever knowing it. That's still a good thing.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Second, I admit that I tend to over react to those who attack me for merely pointing my views. Being called a racist, for example, because I don't approve of the policies or actions of an individual who happens to have skin which reflects less light than my own is beyond idiotic for so many reasons. Mainly, because it's not true, but also because it's a cheap and gutless dodge of the original issue, intent on dismissing me and my view, out of hand, before any real conversation on the matter can take place. It cheats everyone out of an opportunity to learn.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

If someone points out ways your views are flawed it is not an attack, that is how conversations and discussions on matters happen.

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Thing is when you or anyone else posts arguments that have been debunked over and over, and try and link bad things that happen to the President it starts to look very personal.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Disagreeing w/ someone isn't 'debunking' their arguments. That's a common theme i see repeated here, time and time again. Just as when someone is wrong about some detail, or in predicting how something will turn out, they're called LIARS, when in fact, there's no lying going on , what so ever. It's bearing false witness, for lack of a better term, for the sole purpose of belittling and dismissing someone who disagrees with your own position.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
e.g. : Raptor is against Voter ID laws because he doesn't like the poor, he's racist, he's a xenophobe, etc...

Fact is, I'm 100% FOR voter FRAUD suppression, which is nothing like what is being portrayed by the Left when it comes to protecting the sanctity and legitimacy of our RIGHT to vote.

This is what I'm talking about, in how my views are skewed, by those on the other side, for the sole purpose of painting me as being that which I am not.

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Folks see what they want to see.

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And 20 posts later, my little contribution was not even noted. Which sort of illustrates my point perfectly. Even Dear Niki, who ALWAYS used to at least acknowledge my presence, has passed me over to continue the argument....

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No, she didn't. She addresses you in her long, multi-point post, which followed yours.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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And 20 posts later, my little contribution was not even noted. Which sort of illustrates my point perfectly. Even Dear Niki, who ALWAYS used to at least acknowledge my presence, has passed me over to continue the argument....

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No, she didn't. She addresses you in her long, multi-point post, which followed yours.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Oh yes, so she did. Well that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.Apologies Niki.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Originally posted by kpo:
BDN, it's possible to have partisan, polarised debates without the sniping and the playground back and forth. That's what most posters come here to do.

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I notice she only seems to call out one side for the tit for tat (Auraptor, Wulf) while remaining silent regarding the worst culprits, IMHO.

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I've heard her call out the left-wing culprits several times.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Disagreeing w/ someone isn't 'debunking' their arguments. That's a common theme i see repeated here, time and time again. Just as when someone is wrong about some detail, or in predicting how something will turn out, they're called LIARS, when in fact, there's no lying going on , what so ever. It's bearing false witness, for lack of a better term, for the sole purpose of belittling and dismissing someone who disagrees with your own position.

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That's where it is up to this point. I imagine it's impossible, but can anyone actually see all this objectively and see that the SAME THING happens on both sides?

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Some people are just too angry, delusional or downright insane to be able to hear the other side.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
While I have never - not once, not ever - seen BDN call out his own side.

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While I have never - not once, not ever - seen BDN call out his own side.

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