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After Sandy: Why We Can’t Keep Rebuilding on the Water’s Edge
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:50 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:It’s so obvious we forget it: an extreme-weather event becomes a disaster only if it hits where people and their possessions are. Of the 19 tropical storms that were tracked during this summer’s Atlantic hurricane season, 10 veered off harmlessly into the Atlantic Ocean, never making landfall. But when a storm like Sandy tracks over the most heavily populated stretch of land in the western hemisphere, the damage to people and property can be immense. Storm plus people equals natural disaster. That’s why, as the Northeast begins the long process of rebuilding, we need to think about what we can do to minimize the number of people and the value of the property that might be in the way of the next storm. So far, most of that discussion has settled around the possibility of building multibillion-dollar seawalls and barriers that might be able to shield Manhattan and other vulnerable places from the kind of storm surges that caused so much destruction during Sandy. Seawalls do have their place — especially as the climate warms and seas rise. But if people didn’t live in so many high-risk places, we wouldn’t have to put any protective infrastructure there at all. The reason so many Americans make their homes in storm and flood zones is partly because we simply like living along the water. But the other part is that government-subsidized flood insurance essentially eliminates the financial risk. The question now, after Sandy, is whether we’ll keep making the same circular mistake, paying billions to put people back in harm’s way, or whether we’ll instead say, “Build if you want, but the risk is all yours.” The Northeast spots that were most heavily damaged by Sandy were in housing developments that were built very close to the coast. Those same areas had seen dramatic development over the past couple of decades, despite the fact that government officials knew that the coastal land would be vulnerable to flooding from a major storm.Quote:Authorities in New York and New Jersey simply allowed heavy development of at-risk coastal areas to continue largely unabated in recent decades, even as the potential for a massive storm surge in the region became increasingly clear. In the end, a pell-mell, decades-long rush to throw up housing and businesses along fragile and vulnerable coastlines trumped commonsense concerns about the wisdom of placing hundreds of thousands of closely huddled people in the path of potential cataclysms. Nearly a quarter of the world’s population lives less than 328 ft. (100 m) above sea level and within 60 miles (97 km) of the coast. But Ocean County’s population rose nearly 70% from 1980 to 2010, and in that final year alone, more residential building permits were issued in that county than in any other in New Jersey. In New York as well, hundreds of new structures have gone up in the high-risk storm-surge area of Staten Island. In the past, those who made the choice to live near the ocean also knew to treat its immense power with respect, even building their homes facing the land. Today we’re much more reckless, and an ocean view is worth paying extra for. The federal government is bound not just by elective policy but also by law to pay for most of the cost of fixing storm-damaged infrastructure — including homes. Add in the National Flood Insurance Program, which offers consumers in coastal danger zones below-market protection from floods, and you can see how the federal government is almost making it easier to live in a danger zone than to make the hard choice of relocating:Quote:Across the nation, tens of billions of tax dollars have been spent on subsidizing coastal reconstruction in the aftermath of storms, usually with little consideration of whether it actually makes sense to keep rebuilding in disaster-prone areas. If history is any guide, a large fraction of the federal money allotted to New York, New Jersey and other states recovering from Hurricane Sandy — an amount that could exceed $30 billion — will be used the same way. Tax money will go toward putting things back as they were, essentially duplicating the vulnerability that existed before the hurricane. If subsidized flood insurance is no longer a given, we might also begin to see a slowdown in coastal population growth. That’s long overdue. We can try to reduce climate change and we can try to build physical protections for established coastal population centers. But the best way to ensure that the next Sandy does less damage is simply to keep people out of harm’s way — or at least make it more expensive to stay there.Excerpts from http://science.time.com/2012/11/20/after-sandy-why-we-cant-keep-rebuilding-on-the-waters-edge/
Quote:Authorities in New York and New Jersey simply allowed heavy development of at-risk coastal areas to continue largely unabated in recent decades, even as the potential for a massive storm surge in the region became increasingly clear. In the end, a pell-mell, decades-long rush to throw up housing and businesses along fragile and vulnerable coastlines trumped commonsense concerns about the wisdom of placing hundreds of thousands of closely huddled people in the path of potential cataclysms.
Quote:Across the nation, tens of billions of tax dollars have been spent on subsidizing coastal reconstruction in the aftermath of storms, usually with little consideration of whether it actually makes sense to keep rebuilding in disaster-prone areas. If history is any guide, a large fraction of the federal money allotted to New York, New Jersey and other states recovering from Hurricane Sandy — an amount that could exceed $30 billion — will be used the same way. Tax money will go toward putting things back as they were, essentially duplicating the vulnerability that existed before the hurricane.
Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:44 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:01 AM
HERO
Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:09 AM
Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:39 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:06 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Our species just wasn't meant to live at all.
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:41 PM
WISHIMAY
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: You can't live near the ocean .....Atlantis, Argo, Staten Island, Barbara Streisand You can't live near a lake .....Ponchetrain Levees, Loch Lomond Monster, Hop Sing in a bad mood You can't live near a river .....Missouri Valley, Riverboat Casino Sewage, Mutated Muskrats, The Judds You can't live near a volcano .....Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Kilauea, Lava Lamp Spontaneous Combustions, Shan Yu revelations You can't live in the plains ..... Tornado Alley, The Rain In Spain, Evangelicals You can't live in the desert ..... Gila Monsters, Rattlesnakes, Wayne Newton You can't live in the jungle ..... Anacondas, Tsetse Flies, Tigers, Axl Rose You can't live near a mountain .....Rockslides, Wildfires, Mudslides, Burning Bushes w/ Booming Voice From Above
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:52 PM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: How many more Katrinas and Sandys will it take before common sense begins to prevail? And even when it does, how long will the battle be to fight the monied interests who don't WANT common sense to drive our decisions?
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: For a great many Lefties, that's exactly the message we're suppose to learn. Humans are MURDERING mother Earth, and need to be taken down a few notches.
Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:10 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: How many more Katrinas and Sandys will it take before common sense begins to prevail? And even when it does, how long will the battle be to fight the monied interests who don't WANT common sense to drive our decisions? Sorry, I find this a little misguided. There is nothing about evolution that says that species "learn" to live safely. Creatures live as they live and some get unlucky and nature stomps on them. Humans are no different. We will always engage in risky behavior. Wishing it otherwise will just make you unhappy. There are definite steps we can take to protect ourselves, no doubt. I'm certainly not saying we should blindly do nothing - I hope you know me better than that, Niki. But that's not what your post in focusing on. Jongs has a point - we can never be completely safe. There is no secure "cave" for our common sense to hide us in. Niki - you live in MAJOR danger on the West Coast. So are you gonna "learn" and apply common sense and move to Kansas? Oh wait, there's a drought and an a high danger earthquake zone in Missouri... see? I think the discussion should be elsewhere, like how *my* insurance rates go up because of houses on beaches, or in flood plains, or on bluffs in earthquake country. Kind of like how I have to pay high health insurance premiums because of other people's weak constitutions, I can't get my coffee without a lid because some morons burned themselves, and I'm not supposed to eat raw cookie dough because 1 in a million (or something) got salmonella. I could go on and on. Myself, I choose not to give up cookie dough. There's a small chance I'll get sick, but if I give it up there's a 100% chance I'll live the rest of my short little life without something pretty damned good. Honestly, If I could buy a house on the coast, I would, and I'd enjoy every bit of nice weather I had. I'd take steps, knowing the danger, and I'd expect to pay higher insurance because of the high risk. And I'd be ready to fix shit after every big storm - after spending the storm in a shelter so no one died rescuing my stupid ass. This is where I could see govt doing a good thing: making sure that people who take risks cover those risks themselves. (You know, unlike the bankers in 2008.) You want to live on the water? Fine, but you got to chip in for funds to preserve the coast and rebuild your stuff after a disaster. You want to live in an earthquake? Ditto. It'll never be perfect. No one wants the govt policing our kitchens and charging a "she-eats-raw-cookie-dough" fee. Neither does anyone want to give up their entire lives because something bad happened to someone in similar circumstances. I guess I'm saying - life is risky, and risk vs freedom is a balancing act. Let's not go to extremes out of fear.
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:05 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:24 PM
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Hello, The problem isn't that humans choose to live in dangerous environs. The problem is that humans routinely choose not to invest in the necessary technology, infrastructure, and emergency protocols that would make such life relatively safe.
Monday, November 26, 2012 4:59 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, November 26, 2012 5:17 AM
Quote:The federal government is bound not just by elective policy but also by law to pay for most of the cost of fixing storm-damaged infrastructure — including homes. Add in the National Flood Insurance Program, which offers consumers in coastal danger zones below-market protection from floods, and you can see how the federal government is almost making it easier to live in a danger zone than to make the hard choice of relocating.
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:21 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Poor baby. He tries so hard, but this time no one bites.
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