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The Right to Vote - Voting Rights Act, Section 5

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Friday, March 1, 2013 8:48 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Speaking of the right to vote: Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act is coming under fire. "a landmark piece of national legislation in the United States that outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans in the U.S."

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/28/17134189-court-decisio
n-on-voting-rights-act-could-spur-election-changes-but-not-turn-back-the-clock?lite


If struck down by SCOTUS we're in big trouble as a nation of free people.


SGG

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Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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I think it's high time we strike it down and move on. What did Scaliaa say ? " Perpetual racial entitlement " ? I think he's spot on. This tactic of the Left, of focusing on the word ' disenfranchisement ' is ridiculous. It's lost all meaning, much like over use of 'racism'. It's used when ever things don't go the way some minority doesn't like...



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Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:59 AM

HERO


We don't need to mess with voting rights. A little extra scrutiny goes a long way.

Right now you can only discriminate against, threaten, or intimidate white voters.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Saturday, March 2, 2013 5:05 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Right now you can only discriminate against, threaten, or intimidate white voters.

H






And there's nothing wrong with that, apparently.

And before the usual suspects start moaning and bitching about how innocuous it is for these 2 thugs holding police batons in their hands( not merely having them, or in a holster, but already drawn _ and how this is all manner of trivial, think about what the reaction would be if the scene was just a little different. 2 white guys, in fake military gear, or better yet, in Klansman robes, carrying a baton, greeting votes as they came to the polls.

Damn straight there'd be hell to pay, and that case would have been pushed by the DOJ.

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Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If they were carrying guns and were white, you'd call them patriots.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Eric Holder has never prosecuted any cases of racism against whites by blacks because he says it doesn't exist, there's no such thing.

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Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Right now you can only discriminate against, threaten, or intimidate white voters.




And there's nothing wrong with that, apparently.

And before the usual suspects start moaning and bitching about how innocuous it is for these 2 thugs holding police batons in their hands( not merely having them, or in a holster, but already drawn _ and how this is all manner of trivial, think about what the reaction would be if the scene was just a little different. 2 white guys, in fake military gear, or better yet, in Klansman robes, carrying a baton, greeting votes as they came to the polls.

Damn straight there'd be hell to pay, and that case would have been pushed by the DOJ.



I wonder how many whites would be voting in that neighborhood anyhow. It's a good thing to be able to see the thuggery and intimidation on full display regardless. The New Black Panthers under Malik Zulu Shabazz have called for killing white men, women, and children, but I suspect they'd have trouble stealing a library book.



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Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
If they were carrying guns and were white, you'd call them patriots.





You're a fucking idiot. I made it clear as day that ANY intimidation at the polls, be it by white , black, brown, or paisley should be unacceptable. You have no response other than to parrot your tired, old, empty rhetoric, never mind the facts.

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Eric Holder has never prosecuted any cases of racism against whites by blacks because he says it doesn't exist, there's no such thing.




Cites?



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
If they were carrying guns and were white, you'd call them patriots.





You're a fucking idiot. I made it clear as day that ANY intimidation at the polls, be it by white , black, brown, or paisley should be unacceptable.




No, you didn't. Here's what you said:

Quote:

...think about what the reaction would be if the scene was just a little different. 2 white guys, in fake military gear, or better yet, in Klansman robes, carrying a baton, greeting votes as they came to the polls.



You have in no way "made it clear" that you disagree with such actions. And you've openly cheered folks showing up with their guns to town hall meetings and other public places.

The fucking idiocy here is all yours, as always.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:02 PM

AURAPTOR

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By me asking the question, it SHOULD have been clear, to anyone with an above room temp IQ, that such intimidation tactics were unacceptable. No matter WHO was doing it.

Where did I "openly cheer " for anyone carrying a gun at a town hall meeting ?

Oh,that's right.. never did.

And what's a town hall meeting have to do w/ thugs standing in front of a polling station ?

Is your brain truly that feeble, or are you having that much trouble fabricating things to whine about ?

Kwickie, you're so full of wrong, it's not even funny. It's sad.


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Sunday, March 3, 2013 5:25 PM

GEEZER

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One of the issues with Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act is that its application is based, as noted in the cite by SGG, on voting records from 1972, at the latest. Considering the changes in demographics in the last 40 years, and the changes in voter registration and turnout, it'd seem that we should at least revisit current statistics to see where discrimination might be currently occurring, rather than where it was in 1972.


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Monday, March 4, 2013 3:03 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Good point Geezer. The focus should be in those districts where it does happen, but we're currently facing increased attacks on the voting rights of people in general - black or white - State legislators have managed to "make changes" to districts favoring the Republican Party, even though the majority of the people voted democrat in a particular region. Of course, these changes were made legal and binding or we would be knee deep in federal investigations and senate hearings. All this was done quietly by the party of real "change."

This latest attack on the voting process is just another tactic to affect "change" without actually having to adapt to the changing demographics in our country. It's equivalent to an opponent sneezing and knocking over the chess board just as you are about to put the hammer down.
As "Limbog" and Bill Reilly have recently whined about, "their" America is no longer recognizable (it is looking more and more like a melting pot of cultures and influences; so much so, that Congress has seen fit to question every move Obama makes as a matter of course).

It wouldn't look good for old white men to be taking orders from a man of color, plus the fact that they would no longer be in the positions that they hold now. "Boner" does barely enough so he could hold onto the Speakership, and the conservative right are currently in panic mode - hence attacks, across the board, on the current system in place, the right wing media is in full propaganda mode influencing their followers that the left is "brainwashing" the public and elected officials. The thinking to me is: survival of the craftiest. If we want to remain relevant, we need to convince people that it's us against them, and not, we are in this together.

I'm beginning to think that Joss is more and more a genius. He predicts, within his storyline, that there is a great philosophical divide in our country that produces a civil war. If we lose sight of the big picture, the future of this nation, that may come to fruition. Maybe not in my lifetime, but the groundwork has been laid out. "Our way of life is being threatened" says Reilly, "our" America no longer exists. That is scary talk. Abolishing the most basic principle of the American experience - the right to vote and the right to real representation - would doom us all to political racism. Keep in mind that our basic freedoms have been defended by both black skinned, blue-eyed boys from Day One.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
One of the issues with Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act is that its application is based, as noted in the cite by SGG, on voting records from 1972, at the latest. Considering the changes in demographics in the last 40 years, and the changes in voter registration and turnout, it'd seem that we should at least revisit current statistics to see where discrimination might be currently occurring, rather than where it was in 1972.


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Monday, March 4, 2013 3:16 PM

PENQUIN11


Hey look, an issue that true liberals and true conservatives should both be concerned about. From the liberal perspective I would be worried about whether this would allow voting discrimination, and from the conservative perspective I fear that this gives our large government yet another way to limit the number of people who can vote.

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain

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Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:48 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Agree. This is bad for all Americans, no matter where you are on the spectrum. The basic right to vote is the cornerstone at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by penquin11:
Hey look, an issue that true liberals and true conservatives should both be concerned about. From the liberal perspective I would be worried about whether this would allow voting discrimination, and from the conservative perspective I fear that this gives our large government yet another way to limit the number of people who can vote.

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain


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Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx for noting this, Shiny. As I mentioned elsewhere, this news rocked me back on my heels like little else, I just couldn't believe it and it's pretty much the final straw for me where our government is headed, and especially what has happened to the one slightly less partisan branch of our government, the Supremes. They are no longer anything but a bad joke and a conscience-free tool of the right, and that won't change for a long time to come, given their makeup.

Given the assault on voting rights has never stopped, and even increased just the last two elections, that they will probably do away with ANY encumberance on voting suppression is beyond belief. It just shows me where our country continues to go, and how savvy the right has been in getting the power where they need to have it to further their agenda.

It makes me sicker than almost all the other disgusting things that have been tried, been done and are being done to destroy the very heart of what America stands for and what the vast MAJORITY of Americans believe in. It only takes a small minority bent on their own agenda with the willingness to do unconscionable things, and a lot of ignorant, non-thinking people, to make this country into what it is fast becoming. I'm pretty sure I'll be long gone before things turn around and I want no part of it in the meantime.


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Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:07 AM

STORYMARK


Of course conservative dirtbags want the law repealed - it was instrumental in stopping several attempts to disenfranchise voters last year alone.




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Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:12 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


The thing that really irks me is how these folks hide behind the "patriotic political veil," the pretense being that these rights are "entitlements" - far from any kind of resemblance to the truth; but cloaked in an American façade.

It is racism at it's worst, political racism. They claim it's for the "good" of the country. Pretty much like the gerrymandering of Congressional districts so as to the gain seats in the House. You keep rocking the pinball game and pretty soon it will tilt. And it all used to be very subtle, now they come right out and practically flaunt it in your face. I believe it was South Carolina that used the "there are worst states than ours that use deceptive practices to deny voter's rights." That's like saying "officer go arrest that guy, he drunker than me."

Imagine a justice of SCOTUS saying what Scalia said. But, there are folks out there who actually believes as he does - everything is fine now, you have a black president. Obama has been severely tested, time and again, and who's to say it's not racist. Why even the First Lady has come under fire, and when did you ever hear Laura Bush be severely criticized because she showed up at the Oscars..............really now!!!

I have never seen such contention against a sitting president since Carter was in office. Even when the president follows through on a Bush promise, he's criticized and, worse still, ridiculed.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Thanx for noting this, Shiny. As I mentioned elsewhere, this news rocked me back on my heels like little else, I just couldn't believe it and it's pretty much the final straw for me where our government is headed, and especially what has happened to the one slightly less partisan branch of our government, the Supremes. They are no longer anything but a bad joke and a conscience-free tool of the right, and that won't change for a long time to come, given their makeup.

Given the assault on voting rights has never stopped, and even increased just the last two elections, that they will probably do away with ANY encumberance on voting suppression is beyond belief. It just shows me where our country continues to go, and how savvy the right has been in getting the power where they need to have it to further their agenda.

It makes me sicker than almost all the other disgusting things that have been tried, been done and are being done to destroy the very heart of what America stands for and what the vast MAJORITY of Americans believe in. It only takes a small minority bent on their own agenda with the willingness to do unconscionable things, and a lot of ignorant, non-thinking people, to make this country into what it is fast becoming. I'm pretty sure I'll be long gone before things turn around and I want no part of it in the meantime.



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Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:28 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Of course conservative dirtbags want the law repealed - it was instrumental in stopping several attempts to disenfranchise voters last year alone.



Seriously... the nerve of anyone thinking that blacks and whites can be seen as *gasp* equals!


I swear, the race pimps will rue the day that this country ever chooses to judge a man by the content of his character. Everyone KNOWS we're to judge a man by the color of his skin, dammit !

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Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:37 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The Supreme Court giveth and The Supreme Court taketh away. Obamacare in, voting rights out. But hey, that 3/5ths of a person thing isn't even being discussed.

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Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:45 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


So the African American always had the right to vote then, and "minorities" should shut up about it. There was never a time when a certain group of people were held against their will and forced to work for the benefit of their jailor. There was never a time when they and women were treated like so much livestock.

So, there aren't those that think "minorities" stand in line waiting for scraps from the president - these so-called entitlements. These gifts, in exchange, of course, for "our" votes. We're considered 3rd Class citizens by the man, but we were "smart" enough to out-fox you. Now we get everything that the president promised us in secret - all the money in the world (no, Madoff didn't get it all), the best teachers, the best schools, and sole use of the bridges and tunnels across the nation. Oh, by the way, we get free pot at the Statue of Liberty too (that's one that Fox News missed).

Just think, we are so clever, that, based solely on our votes, we elected an illegal alien to the White House. Only those who know the secret handshake are permitted to know the truth (my fellow minorities will be furious with me for revealing this, but it's high time we show "our" true colors - pun intended). No matter, in another 25 years we will take over both houses and change the laws to reflect the true nature of things - we will rule the world - muah, ha, ha!

We hold these truths to be self evident - that racism does not exist......

Psssst, hey buddy, I got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I think it's high time we strike it down and move on. What did Scaliaa say ? " Perpetual racial entitlement " ? I think he's spot on. This tactic of the Left, of focusing on the word ' disenfranchisement ' is ridiculous. It's lost all meaning, much like over use of 'racism'. It's used when ever things don't go the way some minority doesn't like...



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Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:58 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Who's to say this hasn't been the case all along.

In Florida, during the 2000 Election, several thousand citizens were expunged from the voter rolls because their names were similar to those of convicted felons. Even bona fide service men and women (who served in Iraq) were denied their voting rights. Oh, they just so happened to be democrats and a great majority were black Americans.

Discrimination, naaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Right now you can only discriminate against, threaten, or intimidate white voters.

H






And there's nothing wrong with that, apparently.

And before the usual suspects start moaning and bitching about how innocuous it is for these 2 thugs holding police batons in their hands( not merely having them, or in a holster, but already drawn _ and how this is all manner of trivial, think about what the reaction would be if the scene was just a little different. 2 white guys, in fake military gear, or better yet, in Klansman robes, carrying a baton, greeting votes as they came to the polls.

Damn straight there'd be hell to pay, and that case would have been pushed by the DOJ.

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Thursday, March 7, 2013 3:25 PM

AURAPTOR

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The claims of " disinfranchisement " of blacks in FL , back in 2000, is one of the great fairy tales of our time.

Less discussed, but far more real, is how the Democrats sent an army of lawyers to deny as many military absentee votes as they could. Why ? Those in the military voted heavily for W, and that simply would not be allowed.

Quote:

FLASHBACK: DEMOCRATS WORKED HARD TO DISQUALIFY OVERSEAS MILITARY BALLOTS IN 2000 RECOUNT

In 2000, the nation's politics hung in the balance of a recount fight in Florida. George W. Bush had beaten Al Gore by a few hundred votes in the seminal swing state, and Democrats went all-in to reverse this result and hand the presidency to Gore. One of the lawyers hired by the Democrats during the recount fight was Mark Herron, how drafted a memo detailing how to disqualify military absentee ballots. (Memo is below.) His work had an immediate affect, as recalled by Bill Sammon in 2001:

The main battlegound was Duval County, home to more military families than any other county in Florida. Duval had more absentee ballots from overseas than any other county - 618 of 3,500 cast statewide. Five Gore lawyers showed up at the elections office at 9 a.m. Friday to disqualify as many of those ballots as possible.

Tom Bishop, one of the Republican lawyers, was incensed as he watched the Democrats, armed with the smoking-gun memo, blatantly go about disqualify large numbers of military ballots.

"They had their little cheat sheet they were using, and they objected on every single possible ground they could, no matter how spurious," Bishop told Sammon. "It was so bad that there was rolling of the eyes by even some of the Democrats there who were watching their lawyers work."

Before Nov. 17, the Duval supervisor of elections compared signatures on ballot envelopes against signature cards on file. He could find only two absentee ballots that could not be included because the signatures did not match.
"But now the Democrats insisted that they be allowed to compare all signatures, one by one. For seven tedious hours, they bitterly argued that signatures on more than 100 envelopes did not precisely match the signature cards - although some envelopes had been signed by sailors on rolling seas in hostile situations,” Sammon wrote.
"You could clearly tell it was the same person´s signature, but they would object because it didn´t have a certain curlicue or didn´t have a certain twist or it was smaller," Bishop told him.

The Democrat lawyers sought to disqualify military ballots that had no overseas postmark on the grounds that some voters might have marked their ballots a day or two after the election and then mailed them in.

The Democrats' efforts to suppress the military vote weren't confined to one county. From an Associated Press account:

In some counties, half or nearly all the overseas ballots were rejected, many of them military ballots that apparently didn't have postmarks.
Orange County, for example, rejected 117 of its 147 overseas ballots. In Hillsborough County, 74 of the 135 ballots were rejected after Democrats raised concerns about postmark or signature problems. Alachua County rejected half of the 56 ballots it received. St. Lucie rejected 13 of 14 and Lake County, all five.

"The party of the man who wants to be the next commander in chief is trying to throw out the votes of the men and women he will be commanding," charged Jim Post, a Republican lawyer in Duval County, where 107 ballots were rejected.

Thomas Spencer, a Miami attorney for Bush, said the GOP legal team would weigh whether to sue this weekend. "One of the problems with those ballots is it is so difficult under Florida and federal law that you almost have to be a rocket scientist to comply," he said.

Earlier this week, Mark Herron, a Tallahassee lawyer helping shepherd Democratic presidential election lawsuits through the local courts, sent a five-page letter to Democratic attorneys throughout Florida giving them tips on how to lodge protests against overseas ballots.

Such protests had to be filed before the ballot was taken out of the envelope. The letter focused on protesting military ballots.

Herron said he was retained by the DNC on election night.


No matter how the Democrats and the media try to spin this, the party has actively sought to suppress the votes of the men and women in the military. The very fact that a memo was circulated, explaining, in detail, how to disqualify military ballots should be enough evidence of the party's checkered history with military voting.

Don't believe what the left and the media say. Believe what the Democrats have done

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/05/flashback-dems-disq
ualified-military-ballots-in-2000





Gotta hand it to Gore. He almost stole the election. But not for lack of trying.



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Friday, March 8, 2013 10:17 AM

STORYMARK


Jesus, rappy is so deranged now, he considers winning the popular vote to be stealing.

Wait, this is nothing new, he's been crazy for, well - ever.




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Friday, March 8, 2013 3:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Jesus, rappy is so deranged now, he considers winning the popular vote to be stealing.

Wait, this is nothing new, he's been crazy for, well - ever.



No, I consider stealing to be stealing.

The office of the President is not , has not, been decided by the " popular " vote.

The Founders knew what they were doing.

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Friday, March 8, 2013 6:11 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Please ignore the man behind the curtain, because this is a set-up.

With enough Republican manipulation, on a state level, of the Congressional districts, anyone can predict the final outcome: changes to the Electoral College favoring, you guessed it......................

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Jesus, rappy is so deranged now, he considers winning the popular vote to be stealing.

Wait, this is nothing new, he's been crazy for, well - ever.



No, I consider stealing to be stealing.

The office of the President is not , has not, been decided by the " popular " vote.

The Founders knew what they were doing.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Friday, March 8, 2013 7:09 PM

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America loves a winner!


What's really funny is that some here actually think that ONLY the GOP would dare to ever gerrymander districts for their own advantage.

*gigglesnort*

Too gorram funny.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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