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Gay people live in 50 Americas
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:15 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Three years ago, when Scott Hamilton moved from New York to Oklahoma for work, his marriage, and all the rights that went with it, dissolved in the transition. That's because Oklahoma -- a deeply conservative place -- is one of 38 states that bans marriages between same-sex couples. To make the move, Hamilton, 52, and his husband, Wayne Johnson, 59, who got married in Connecticut in 2009 and have been together since 1991, had to come to grips with the fact their relationship would no longer matter under the eyes of the law. They had to redo their wills and create new trusts to ensure their assets would be passed smoothly if one of them were to die. If they were put into long-term care in Oklahoma, he said, the men would have to occupy separate rooms. They must file their taxes separately. And it's almost impossible for them to use the word "husband" without comment. "Well, who are you? Are you his driver?" a nurse recently asked Hamilton when he was pushing Johnson through a hospital in a wheelchair, as he related it to me. "No, I'm his husband." "Oh, good God," she said, dismissively. Oh-good-God is right. How does it make sense that a couple's love for each other would be recognized by one state and mocked in another? For lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, the United States has turned into a complicated mess of 50 Americas -- most of which discriminate against them. Lots more at http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/sutter-50-americas-lgbt/index.html?hpt=hp_c1] And on that note, here's the new, "more inclusive" Republican Party:Quote:Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said the party's platform on gay marriage has not changed despite the massive effort spearheaded by the RNC to make the party more inclusive. "I know our party believes marriage is between one man and one woman," Priebus told MSNBC's Luke Russert on Wednesday morning. Striking a more conciliatory tone, Priebus added, "I also know that we have a party that's going to be inclusive and is going to listen to people ..." More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/reince-priebus-gay-marriage_n_2915998.html Sooo, since since there's nothing wrong with their their STAND, only how they word their MESSAGE, how are they going to be "inclusive" on the gay-marriage issue, one wonders? ETA: The first article goes on to stateQuote:For what other group -- with the possible exception of pregnant women seeking abortions -- are state borders so important? If you're Jewish or tall or Christian or black or fat or old or poor or sad ... your fundamental rights as a human don't change if you drive from the panhandle of Idaho, where same-sex marriage is banned, into Washington state, where it's legal, or from the yellow plains of West Texas, where employees can be fired because of their sexual orientation, to New Mexico, where LGBT workers are protected from institutionalized bigotry. But I disagree. I think the same problem exists on MANY levels; being gay, or an immigrant, or African-American, or poor, or a union worker or low-wage worker, or even sad (if your sadness gets dx'd as a mental disorder) means you live differently from state to state with regard to MANY things. But I'll just stick to the homosexuality issue... Quote:Some states allow same-sex couples to adopt. Others, such as Mississippi, ban it. That leaves couples such as Sara and L.B. Bell -- whom I met on a recent trip to Mississippi, a state that, according to my calculations, ties for having the fewest protections for LGBT people -- to fear that if and when they have a child, it may be difficult for both to maintain custody. Some states protect LGBT tenants from being evicted because of who they are. Others, such as Louisiana and Montana, don't seem to think that matters. Some states let teachers talk about homosexuality in schools -- a healthy step toward ensuring future generations continue to be more accepting of all people. Others, such as Alabama, require teachers to mention "in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state." Never mind that homosexuality is not a crime, as the U.S. Supreme Court held in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. And that about half the nation is cool with same-sex marriage these days, a percentage that only will grow with time. Each state is so different we might as well put up signs on the borders. Welcome to Oklahoma ... Oh, you're gay??? Please turn around. We can fire you for that here. ... At least then the statutory inequalities would be visible. ..... Plenty of gay people, Hamilton included, hope the Supreme Court, which is hearing two cases related to same-sex marriage next week, soon will expand rights for same-gender couples in this country. But even in a favorable scenario -- if California's same-sex marriage ban is invalidated, and if the federal government starts recognizing same-sex marriages -- LGBT people still will be subject to vastly different laws depending on where they live and work. Folks like Hamilton, who moved from New York to Oklahoma, might as well be going from Alaska to Russia. States, of course, shouldn't give up their right to self-governance. But when it comes to civil rights issues, they have an awful history of clinging to laws long past their expiration dates. In 1967, 16 states banned interracial marriage. The Supreme Court overturned that. Mississippi and others fought against racial integration in schools. But level heads, and courts, prevailed. Did you get that? 1967. And, of course, the right is working to get rid of voting-rights laws...because, of course, voting has become a "racial perrogative". I know my country will keep moving ahead, but sometimes it bothers me what people have to live through before it DOES...
Quote:Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said the party's platform on gay marriage has not changed despite the massive effort spearheaded by the RNC to make the party more inclusive. "I know our party believes marriage is between one man and one woman," Priebus told MSNBC's Luke Russert on Wednesday morning. Striking a more conciliatory tone, Priebus added, "I also know that we have a party that's going to be inclusive and is going to listen to people ..." More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/reince-priebus-gay-marriage_n_2915998.html
Quote:For what other group -- with the possible exception of pregnant women seeking abortions -- are state borders so important? If you're Jewish or tall or Christian or black or fat or old or poor or sad ... your fundamental rights as a human don't change if you drive from the panhandle of Idaho, where same-sex marriage is banned, into Washington state, where it's legal, or from the yellow plains of West Texas, where employees can be fired because of their sexual orientation, to New Mexico, where LGBT workers are protected from institutionalized bigotry.
Quote:Some states allow same-sex couples to adopt. Others, such as Mississippi, ban it. That leaves couples such as Sara and L.B. Bell -- whom I met on a recent trip to Mississippi, a state that, according to my calculations, ties for having the fewest protections for LGBT people -- to fear that if and when they have a child, it may be difficult for both to maintain custody. Some states protect LGBT tenants from being evicted because of who they are. Others, such as Louisiana and Montana, don't seem to think that matters. Some states let teachers talk about homosexuality in schools -- a healthy step toward ensuring future generations continue to be more accepting of all people. Others, such as Alabama, require teachers to mention "in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state." Never mind that homosexuality is not a crime, as the U.S. Supreme Court held in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. And that about half the nation is cool with same-sex marriage these days, a percentage that only will grow with time. Each state is so different we might as well put up signs on the borders. Welcome to Oklahoma ... Oh, you're gay??? Please turn around. We can fire you for that here. ... At least then the statutory inequalities would be visible. ..... Plenty of gay people, Hamilton included, hope the Supreme Court, which is hearing two cases related to same-sex marriage next week, soon will expand rights for same-gender couples in this country. But even in a favorable scenario -- if California's same-sex marriage ban is invalidated, and if the federal government starts recognizing same-sex marriages -- LGBT people still will be subject to vastly different laws depending on where they live and work. Folks like Hamilton, who moved from New York to Oklahoma, might as well be going from Alaska to Russia. States, of course, shouldn't give up their right to self-governance. But when it comes to civil rights issues, they have an awful history of clinging to laws long past their expiration dates. In 1967, 16 states banned interracial marriage. The Supreme Court overturned that. Mississippi and others fought against racial integration in schools. But level heads, and courts, prevailed.
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