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Knife attack near Houston, TX, @ Lone Star Community College
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:51 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Over 12 people were stabbed Tuesday on the campus of Lone Star Community College campus in Cypress, Texas, after a male suspect reportedly used a small knife, ran from building to building and randomly attacked individuals along the way. Harris Country Sheriff Adrian Garcia said in a press conference Tuesday afternoon that the suspect, described as a young white male, has been taken into custody. Garcia said officers responded to the campus after receiving a call about a male "on the loose" stabbing people. He said it was not immediately clear what type of weapon was used. "Some of the details in the call slip did indicate that students or faculty were actively responding to work to subdue this individual," Garcia said, describing the man as being about 21 years old and enrolled at the college. "So we're proud of those folks, but we're glad no one else is injured any more severely than they are." Garcia said buildings still were being searched Tuesday afternoon and that police could not release any further information as the investigation was still active and ongoing. But department spokesman Thomas Gilliland did confirm, "It was the same suspect going from building to building." Garcia said of the 14 victims, 12 of the victims in all were hospitalized and two refused treatment. Witnesses reported seeing students with stab wounds to the neck. Of the six victims who were taken to Memorial Hermann Texas Trauma Institute, two remained in critical condition as of 6 p.m. ET, while three were in good condition and one had been discharged. Police got the initial report at 11:15 a.m. A suspect with a knife was reported on the sprawling campus on the Northwest side of Houston and there were reports of multiple stab victims. The school was placed on lockdown. The length of the attack is unclear, but the suspect was reportedly taken down by a student. The suspect, who witnesses say is a white male who has been seen on campus carrying a stuffed animal, reportedly told the tackling student “I give, I give,” and was promptly arrested by police. Police could not immediately verify that report. Local reports say a student in a classroom used an X-ACTO knife and began to attack fellow students and ran out of the room. One student said the attack sounded like a rock concert and heard someone scream in pain. At that point, students went back into their classrooms, the student said. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/09/at-least-5-reportedly-stabbed-on-lone-star-college-campus/#ixzz2Q0bph3Ys
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:27 PM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: Always count on rappy to make the dumbest possible argument in any given situation.
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:03 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:13 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: Always count on rappy to make the dumbest possible argument in any given situation. So, you DON'T care about the victims ? That figures.
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: I only see about 3 intelligent comments: 1. If it had been a gun, how many would have been DEAD, instead of hospitalized?
Quote: 2. Faculty and staff worked to restrain the guy Would they have if it had been a gun?
Quote: 3. I want to hear more about the severity of the wounds. I own several XACTO knives. I'd be surprised if many of the wounds needed more than first aid. But I want to wait until some details are in, and see. E-T-A: 4th point: the TSA is going to let folks carrying knives back on airplanes, remember. AN XACTO knife with most of the blades you can put in it would pass under the new regs, less than 2 3/8 " long and 1/2" wide.
Quote: Last time somebody did this much damage with a razor knife, Rappy supported spending $6,000,000,000,000.00 and starting two different wars in retaliation.
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Last time somebody did this much damage with a razor knife, Rappy supported spending $6,000,000,000,000.00 and starting two different wars in retaliation. By the way, how many died in this attack? 14 injured. Last time I checked, injured is a bit better than dead.
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:29 PM
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:34 PM
HERO
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:46 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:57 AM
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:15 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:18 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:21 AM
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Thank God this crazy guy only used a knife. Imagine if he'd decided to use an assault weapon with high-capacity magazine...
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And yes, if knives are as dangerous as guns, why do we send soldiers to war with guns? Knives would be cheaper, and according to the dipshits on the right, just as deadly.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:46 AM
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: In fact there was no legal means for him to buy, carry a gun onto school grounds, or fire the weapon into a room full of students.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: Always count on rappy to make the dumbest possible argument in any given situation. So, you DON'T care about the victims ? That figures. Poor addled raptard is seeing words that dont exist, yet again. Then again, he never met a straw man he didn't like.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:39 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by STORYMARK: Always count on rappy to make the dumbest possible argument in any given situation. So, you DON'T care about the victims ? That figures. Poor addled raptard is seeing words that dont exist, yet again. Then again, he never met a straw man he didn't like. And the Left's war on people continues.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I note for the record that we send soldiers to war with both guns and knives. Any Marine will tell you that a Marine with a knife is dangerous AND a Marine with a rifle is dangerous. That same Marine will also gladly point out that a Marine with nothing at all is dangerous because it's the Marine that is dangerous...rifles and knives are just tools. H
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Maybe rappy had a stroke. A friend should check on him. Oh, he doesn't have any? Poor boy.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait a sec - are you suggesting that a criminal actually OBEYED the gun laws?
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: [Marines don't need knives or guns, because son, they are Mericans. Mericans can go into battle and wrestle them goddam poor ruskies and Ayrabs and towelheaded folk into the ground with nothing more than their bare hands so long as they sing the star spangled banner, and they will defeat those poor ruskies and ayrabs and towelheads because they got god on their side. And Freedom. And Mom's home baked cookies to sustain them, Oh lordy yes. That's what you get when you get an army that is free. Thank you very much.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait a sec - are you suggesting that a criminal actually OBEYED the gun laws? Actually I'm not saying that...wait as sec- you just realized more gun laws would not stop a criminal... Ding, ding, ding...breakthru! H Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: That same Marine will also gladly point out that a Marine with nothing at all is dangerous because it's the Marine that is dangerous...rifles and knives are just tools. H Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:11 PM
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Why is everyone so quick to assume that nobody had a gun there?
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: In fact there was no legal means for him to buy, carry a gun onto school grounds, or fire the weapon into a room full of students. There were also no legal means for students to have a gun to protect themselves from either a shooting or a knife attack.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I note for the record that we send soldiers to war with both guns and knives. Any Marine will tell you that a Marine with a knife is dangerous AND a Marine with a rifle is dangerous. That same Marine will also gladly point out that a Marine with nothing at all is dangerous because it's the Marine that is dangerous...rifles and knives are just tools. H Marines don't need knives or guns, because son, they are Mericans. Mericans can go into battle and wrestle them goddam poor ruskies and Ayrabs and towelheaded folk into the ground with nothing more than their bare hands so long as they sing the star spangled banner, and they will defeat those poor ruskies and ayrabs and towelheads because they got god on their side. And Freedom. And Mom's home baked cookies to sustain them, Oh lordy yes. That's what you get when you get an army that is free. Thank you very much.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait a sec - are you suggesting that a criminal actually OBEYED the gun laws? Actually I'm not saying that...wait as sec- you just realized more gun laws would not stop a criminal...
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Why is everyone so quick to assume that nobody had a gun there? If anyone there had one, why didn't he use it? That's a far and away superior weapon against anybody with any knife. Either slow reflexes, or incompetence, or bad training? Just possibly, no safe opportunity. But how about shouting, "I've got a gun!", or showing it, or perhaps, a warning shot? Instead, this hypothetical gun carrier stood back and let some REAL heroes subdue the guy with their bare hands.
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I note for the record that we send soldiers to war with both guns and knives. Any Marine will tell you that a Marine with a knife is dangerous AND a Marine with a rifle is dangerous. That same Marine will also gladly point out that a Marine with nothing at all is dangerous because it's the Marine that is dangerous...rifles and knives are just tools. H Marines don't need knives or guns, because son, they are Mericans. Mericans can go into battle and wrestle them goddam poor ruskies and Ayrabs and towelheaded folk into the ground with nothing more than their bare hands so long as they sing the star spangled banner, and they will defeat those poor ruskies and ayrabs and towelheads because they got god on their side. And Freedom. And Mom's home baked cookies to sustain them, Oh lordy yes. That's what you get when you get an army that is free. Thank you very much. Besides which, Hero stold most of his comment from Robert Heinlein, who wrote it many years ago.
Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:36 AM
Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:44 AM
Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait a sec - are you suggesting that a criminal actually OBEYED the gun laws? Actually I'm not saying that...wait as sec- you just realized more gun laws would not stop a criminal... Ding, ding, ding...breakthru!
Quote:Yeah, but let's face it. Knife attacks are more common then assault rifle attacks.
Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:30 AM
Quote:I was having coffee with Marc Croes, a liberal friend of mine and a community activist. He said he received an e-mail from one of his conservative friends stating ,“I am waiting for the liberals to introduce knife control legislation!” Opponents of gun control love to counter that if there are no guns, people will still find a way to affect their killing. That is absolutely true; however, the magnitude is that much less. Most students were able to run away from the knife-wielding student. It is hard to outrun a bullet. Multiple students were able to position themselves in order to jump the attacker and subdue him. How many would have been shot before one could jump to subdue a gunman with multiple guns with extended magazines? This Texas incident should be used as a catalyst to illustrate why sensible gun control is necessary. We cannot stop crazy people from attempting to do harm. We cannot stop all people who are attacked either with a gun or other weapons from possibly dying. We can, however, pass laws that minimize that possibility while ensuring that those who want their constitutional right to bear arms are honored. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/10/dylan-quick-slashes-14-students-at-texas-lone-star-college-no-guns-no-deaths/
Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:33 AM
Quote:Earlier today, a Lone Star College student brought a knife, not a gun, onto the college’s CyFair campus and stabbed, but didn’t shoot, at least fourteen people. .... ...you can’t keep people from breaking the law, and that violent people will find a way to be violent, regardless of what weapons we ban or regulate. And they’re right; there will always be nuts out there who want to hurt others. But if this is the case, and we can’t do anything about violence in and of itself, certainly we should do what we can to prevent “violence” from becoming “gun violence.” The crime rate may not change, but the body count sure as hell will. Of course, that didn’t stop gun extremists from claiming that today’s violence proves that we need more guns, not fewer. http://americablog.com/2013/04/texas-knife-attack-college-lone-star.html attack by a knife-wielding student on a college campus near Houston on Tuesday left 14 people wounded – two of them seriously – and rekindled fears of yet another brazen daytime assault on students. But such mass stabbings are uncommon, criminologists and experts say. Since 1901, there have been only seven mass stabbings in a public place in the USA where four or more victims were killed, said Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written about mass murders. Most mass killings are carried out with firearms, he said. "Mass stabbings are exceptionally rare," Duwe said. "Guns, or explosives, are generally more effective at killing large numbers of victims." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/knife-attacks-lone-star-college/2069347/] Explosives, of course, are far harder to get your hands on than guns...Quote:Do not get me wrong, of course knives are dangerous. But the danger of a knife in the hands of a trained professional, when compared to a novice shooter with a firearm, barely equates. Furthermore, the nature of a firearm is vastly different from that of a knife. Here are the six major reasons why knives are nothing like firearms and why the connections drawn between these two weapons ultimately fail. 1. Skill Required for Successful Operation: The skill required to slash and hack through a crowd of people is nowhere near the relative ease of doing so with a firearm. 2. Range of Motion: The amount of force that accompanies the strike of a blade directly relates to the amount of damage it is capable of producing. If the arm used to swing the knife is immobilized or restrained, it merely becomes a potential hazard. However, with a firearms and the magic of gunpowder, anything in front of the bullet is fair game for a target. 3. A Knife Does Not Know Its Master: A sharp blade does not discriminate. The risk for the attacker to sustain incidental injuries from their own weapon grows exponentially when switching from a firearm to a knife. It is easier to disarm a person with a knife than it is to disarm a shooter. A few people could mob a restrain a person with a knife, whereas this feat is not so easy when a person has a firearm. In fact, this knife attack ended when the assailant was confronted and then restrained by a group of students. 4. Distance and Range of Possible Targets: The target of a knife attack has to be relatively close, at least within an arm's length, and at maximum a few lunging steps. 5. Purpose in Design: The knife has potentially limitless applicability in daily life, whereas the same cannot be said for a firearm. 6. Just Look at History: War technology has always been about killing the enemy more effectively than they can kill you. The introduction of gunpowder into the battlefields of the world demonstrates this fatal and paramount difference. Everybody knows how it turns out for those who bring a knife to a gunfight. This is why early settlers of the Americas were able to wipe out the indigenous populations, tomahawks and bows and arrows stood no match to even the most primitive of firearms. Even as firearms technology advanced, the introduction of the machine gun again proved how new generations of firearms are ultimately more devastating in their effect. Should people be free to own both firearms and knives in the United States? Yes. But the inherent danger attached to firearms, when used purposely for malice, outweigh any comparable effect that a knife may offer. I almost always have my pocketknife with me. I can use it as a screwdriver, to open boxes, and nearly any possibility I can imagine. Guns are not capable of achieving this universal utility. That is why the potential owners of firearms must face a higher level of scrutiny when attempting to own one. A weapon is not just a weapon; firearms are special. The point of this article is not that firearms do not serve enough of a purpose to justify lawful ownership, nor is it a critique on why people wish to own firearms in the first place. More at http://www.policymic.com/articles/33921/lone-star-college-mass-stabbing-6-reasons-why-knives-are-not-as-deadly-as-guns of the prevailing arguments that dominated the talk radio circuit in light of these stabbings has been about how this stabbing incident has improved upon the NRA's case against gun control, with the logic that suggests that knives have now exonerated guns by taking the spotlight off of firearms and proving that guns have company in the bloody house of murder. ?? Local gun-control advocates in East Arkansas are saying that this stabbing incident seriously erodes the substance of President Obama's gun control push, because it reinforces the old adage of people killing other people with or without guns, which begs the question that many conservatives and gun-rights advocates are already sarcastically asking: "Is it time to ban knives now?" Is this what the country has come to now, where people are sitting around saying that they are happy that this incident was a stabbing and not a shooting, because it helps to bolster their chances of keeping their arsenals? But in all honesty, can a knife really make the case for a gun? According to CNN, a student named Steven Maida joined with some other students, all of them apparently unarmed, and chased down Quick and tackled him to the ground until law enforcement arrived on the scene. And although there are a lot of tough people out here, what would have been the odds that these same students would have pursued and chased down this suspect if he was wielding a semi-automatic assault weapon? A gun is a gun, and a knife is a knife. The only difference is that one of them is a highly trained merchant of killing and the other is just capable of it. Like it or not, guns are designed to do what they do, which is to destroy or seriously damage whatever is unfortunate enough to be caught in front of them, and the dynamics of that reality do not change whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut or a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado. Now 14 people getting stabbed at the Lone Star campus is certainly tragic, but if the suspect had chosen a gun instead of a knife it would almost be a guarantee that someone or some people would be dead right now. And whether it’s a house, a school, or a public place, approximately 99.9 percent of the population would rather face Dylan Quick with a knife, as opposed to having to face Adam Lanza or James Holmes with a Bushmaster! These points are not about shutting down the 2nd Amendment or banning guns or knives. This is about putting the gun where it belongs—in a class all by itself, to be treated accordingly. http://www.examiner.com/article/stabbing-spree-at-lone-star-college-leaves-14-injured-and-raises-new-questions] It goes on and on. The only come back the right seems to have is "yeah, but if the STUDENTS had been armed..." The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. No nuance, no recognition of the fact that in reality we can't STOP these people from thinking, planning, and carrying out atrocities, but maybe if fewer of them could get their hands on guns, there might be LESS slaughter. You know, "less", not "none", which, no matter HOW we prepare, is impossible... (ETA: You want a real laugh, read https://www.redstate.com/tomjeffersonsghost/2013/04/10/on-lone-star-college-and-acceptable-murder-and-serious-injury/ and try to figure out THEIR logic, which seems (I'm just guessing here) to be that "Yeah, well, the next time it might BE a gun, so you got no argument!" The author snarks about how "the left" is happy if it's "just" a knife attack, that "knife attacks are fine with liberals because no one dies in a knife attack ever", and ends up with "If some violence and some destruction is acceptable then we’ve got far worse problems as a culture and a nation than a wide access to firearms". Makes me laugh--very, very sadly--he thinks "the left" finds "some violence and some destruction" acceptable, and that we don't KNOW we've got far worse problems than firearms access??? The "reasoning" in the article will keep you shaking your head; it would be amusing except for how pathetic it is.) All in all, I think it's sad that the gun bunnies don't see that this incident doesn't improve their argument, it does nothing but show that crazy people with knives will probably do less damage than crazy people with guns.... Do TRY to bear in mind that my point is that we should try and limit the firepower of those intent on harm, not that we should take away people's guns.
Quote:Do not get me wrong, of course knives are dangerous. But the danger of a knife in the hands of a trained professional, when compared to a novice shooter with a firearm, barely equates. Furthermore, the nature of a firearm is vastly different from that of a knife. Here are the six major reasons why knives are nothing like firearms and why the connections drawn between these two weapons ultimately fail. 1. Skill Required for Successful Operation: The skill required to slash and hack through a crowd of people is nowhere near the relative ease of doing so with a firearm. 2. Range of Motion: The amount of force that accompanies the strike of a blade directly relates to the amount of damage it is capable of producing. If the arm used to swing the knife is immobilized or restrained, it merely becomes a potential hazard. However, with a firearms and the magic of gunpowder, anything in front of the bullet is fair game for a target. 3. A Knife Does Not Know Its Master: A sharp blade does not discriminate. The risk for the attacker to sustain incidental injuries from their own weapon grows exponentially when switching from a firearm to a knife. It is easier to disarm a person with a knife than it is to disarm a shooter. A few people could mob a restrain a person with a knife, whereas this feat is not so easy when a person has a firearm. In fact, this knife attack ended when the assailant was confronted and then restrained by a group of students. 4. Distance and Range of Possible Targets: The target of a knife attack has to be relatively close, at least within an arm's length, and at maximum a few lunging steps. 5. Purpose in Design: The knife has potentially limitless applicability in daily life, whereas the same cannot be said for a firearm. 6. Just Look at History: War technology has always been about killing the enemy more effectively than they can kill you. The introduction of gunpowder into the battlefields of the world demonstrates this fatal and paramount difference. Everybody knows how it turns out for those who bring a knife to a gunfight. This is why early settlers of the Americas were able to wipe out the indigenous populations, tomahawks and bows and arrows stood no match to even the most primitive of firearms. Even as firearms technology advanced, the introduction of the machine gun again proved how new generations of firearms are ultimately more devastating in their effect. Should people be free to own both firearms and knives in the United States? Yes. But the inherent danger attached to firearms, when used purposely for malice, outweigh any comparable effect that a knife may offer. I almost always have my pocketknife with me. I can use it as a screwdriver, to open boxes, and nearly any possibility I can imagine. Guns are not capable of achieving this universal utility. That is why the potential owners of firearms must face a higher level of scrutiny when attempting to own one. A weapon is not just a weapon; firearms are special. The point of this article is not that firearms do not serve enough of a purpose to justify lawful ownership, nor is it a critique on why people wish to own firearms in the first place. More at http://www.policymic.com/articles/33921/lone-star-college-mass-stabbing-6-reasons-why-knives-are-not-as-deadly-as-guns of the prevailing arguments that dominated the talk radio circuit in light of these stabbings has been about how this stabbing incident has improved upon the NRA's case against gun control, with the logic that suggests that knives have now exonerated guns by taking the spotlight off of firearms and proving that guns have company in the bloody house of murder. ?? Local gun-control advocates in East Arkansas are saying that this stabbing incident seriously erodes the substance of President Obama's gun control push, because it reinforces the old adage of people killing other people with or without guns, which begs the question that many conservatives and gun-rights advocates are already sarcastically asking: "Is it time to ban knives now?" Is this what the country has come to now, where people are sitting around saying that they are happy that this incident was a stabbing and not a shooting, because it helps to bolster their chances of keeping their arsenals? But in all honesty, can a knife really make the case for a gun? According to CNN, a student named Steven Maida joined with some other students, all of them apparently unarmed, and chased down Quick and tackled him to the ground until law enforcement arrived on the scene. And although there are a lot of tough people out here, what would have been the odds that these same students would have pursued and chased down this suspect if he was wielding a semi-automatic assault weapon? A gun is a gun, and a knife is a knife. The only difference is that one of them is a highly trained merchant of killing and the other is just capable of it. Like it or not, guns are designed to do what they do, which is to destroy or seriously damage whatever is unfortunate enough to be caught in front of them, and the dynamics of that reality do not change whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut or a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado. Now 14 people getting stabbed at the Lone Star campus is certainly tragic, but if the suspect had chosen a gun instead of a knife it would almost be a guarantee that someone or some people would be dead right now. And whether it’s a house, a school, or a public place, approximately 99.9 percent of the population would rather face Dylan Quick with a knife, as opposed to having to face Adam Lanza or James Holmes with a Bushmaster! These points are not about shutting down the 2nd Amendment or banning guns or knives. This is about putting the gun where it belongs—in a class all by itself, to be treated accordingly. http://www.examiner.com/article/stabbing-spree-at-lone-star-college-leaves-14-injured-and-raises-new-questions] It goes on and on. The only come back the right seems to have is "yeah, but if the STUDENTS had been armed..." The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. No nuance, no recognition of the fact that in reality we can't STOP these people from thinking, planning, and carrying out atrocities, but maybe if fewer of them could get their hands on guns, there might be LESS slaughter. You know, "less", not "none", which, no matter HOW we prepare, is impossible... (ETA: You want a real laugh, read https://www.redstate.com/tomjeffersonsghost/2013/04/10/on-lone-star-college-and-acceptable-murder-and-serious-injury/ and try to figure out THEIR logic, which seems (I'm just guessing here) to be that "Yeah, well, the next time it might BE a gun, so you got no argument!" The author snarks about how "the left" is happy if it's "just" a knife attack, that "knife attacks are fine with liberals because no one dies in a knife attack ever", and ends up with "If some violence and some destruction is acceptable then we’ve got far worse problems as a culture and a nation than a wide access to firearms". Makes me laugh--very, very sadly--he thinks "the left" finds "some violence and some destruction" acceptable, and that we don't KNOW we've got far worse problems than firearms access??? The "reasoning" in the article will keep you shaking your head; it would be amusing except for how pathetic it is.) All in all, I think it's sad that the gun bunnies don't see that this incident doesn't improve their argument, it does nothing but show that crazy people with knives will probably do less damage than crazy people with guns.... Do TRY to bear in mind that my point is that we should try and limit the firepower of those intent on harm, not that we should take away people's guns.
Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Thanx NewOld; I didn't recognize the mentality, but it rang familiar, and now I know where. An equally militaristic, nationalistic mysogynist--difference was, he wrote honest fiction! You're right; if the guy in Texas used a knife BECAUSE he couldn't get a gun, those are 14 RELATIVELY lucky people, and he just proved our point for us: "he would not have passed the background check and guns are barred from campus..." I'm assuming he knows that's true (I don't know Texas laws, either); going on the assumption he's right, hot DAMN, gun laws WORKED!!! It kept the attack to 14 injuries (no updates yet as to whether any died, so I'm crossing fingers) rather than 27 (or more) dead! A victory for the side of gun laws; thanx for the thread, Rap! And they worked precisely like seat-belt laws and others; kept the damage to a minimum, which is all we can ever hope for. There will always be crazy people, there will always be violence, but oh, my, wouldn't it be great if we could keep it to just injuries like this more often?
Friday, April 12, 2013 12:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Rappy too. Sad to see posters who struggle with the whole fiction/reality thang.
Quote: A student who told police he fantasized about stabbing people since he was eight years old was charged Tuesday with carrying out a building-to-building attack at a Texas community college that wounded at least 14 people, many of whom were stabbed in the face and neck, authorities said. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/10/at-least-14-reportedly-stabbed-on-lone-star-college-campus/#ixzz2QF8QbNDR
Friday, April 12, 2013 5:54 AM
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