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New Method Proves—Again—Climate Change Is Real

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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In response to contrarian takes on the measurement of global average temperatures, climate scientist demonstrates global warming via historic ocean temperatures and air pressure

In August 2012, John Christy, a climate scientist from the University of Alabama, Huntsville, testified to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee that the Earth is not warming.

In part, Christy's testimony, a controversial one, was based on what he described as a problem with how surface temperatures are measured and averaged.

Climate scientist Gilbert Compo's response to that was: Well, I'll measure those temperatures differently.

So he set out to use an entirely different method to determine if the Earth's surface temperature had increased 1.2 degrees Celsius since preindustrial times.

The answer: Undeniably yes.

This new method shows that it is not a factor of measurement error and that the Earth has in fact warmed, said Compo.

Data from ships' logs and Army bases
"If I had ever had any doubts about whether global warming was happening, then this [study], which I know has no relationship to the land-based observations, dashed all of my doubts," Compo said. The results of the study were published online Monday in the journal Geophysical Research Letters

The locations of weather stations, changes in instruments, the siting of weather stations in warmer urban areas, changes in land cover and other issues have all been cited as issues affecting the temperature trends often used to show that our planet is in fact warming.

Compo's method uses none of these. Instead, the researcher and his colleagues use historic measurements of air pressure and ocean temperatures, put into a model, to calibrate surface temperatures over the 20th century.

That project, called the 20th Century Reanalysis, gets those pressure data from historic data sources like ship logs and Army bases, which are compiled by volunteers at oldweather.org and ACRE, two efforts that catalog old weather data and make them available to researchers.

Those many, many pieces of air pressure data help Compo and his team piece together a snapshot of what was happening in the weather at a given point in time; every six hours since the 1870s, in fact.

If the researchers can spot pressure highs and lows, then they know where the wind is blowing, for instance. As they continue to add data points from around the globe and move forward in time, a process of elimination takes place until they know what the temperature is in, say, Washington, D.C., 100 years ago.

"When I know where the highs and lows are, I know where the hot and cold spots have to be, I can start to line them up," said Compo. "It's like Sudoku."

Skeptics remain skeptical

Eugenia Kalnay, a professor at the University of Maryland who reviewed the paper, called the model "very sophisticated."

Kalnay said it provides an answer to climate skeptics who point out that changes in land use or instrumentation make land-based temperature data unreliable.

Climate scientist Roger Pielke Sr. and Alabama's Christy, whose papers and testimony are cited in Compo's paper as part of the rationale for addressing the issue of whether surface temperatures have warmed, said they admired the research's approach but also said it does not address all the questions they have raised about warming trends. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-method-proves-cli
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Of course they remain skeptical--they have to!--but there goes one more of their excuses to deny it...

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Rappy's response will amount to little more than an impassioned "Nyuh- UHHHH!"


And then he'll back it up with zero evidence.


How much you wanna bet?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


My bet is that, as has happened, he and his head's-in-the-sand buddies will just not respond in hopes the thread dies. If they ever get smart enough, they'll realize that responding just keeps threads going, and they have no argument...but then NOT responding isn't Rap's strong suit, either, any more than presenting valid arguments, so who knows...


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Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In case one of our head-in-the-sanders wants to cite John Christy as an authoritative source against the belief in climate change, given he has won several awards, is a distinguished professor of atmospheric science, director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and was Alabama's state climatologist in 2000, I offer the following of his own words: "it is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way."

In a 2009 interview with Fortune Magazine, Christie admitted "that human effects have a warming influence, and that's certainly true", and in a 2007 ruling in a trial relating to automobile emission regulation in Vermont, it was noted that "Plaintiffs’ own expert, Dr. Christy, agrees with the IPCC’s [2001] assessment that in the light of new evidence and taking into account remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last fifty years is likely to have been due to the increase in GHG concentrations."

Christy is best known, jointly with Roy Spencer, for the first successful development of a satellite temperature record, which for a long time gave credence to climate-change skeptics because it showed a cooling, rather than warming, trend. He maintained an atmospheric temperature record derived from satellite microwave sounding unit measurements, commonly called the "UAH" record (see also satellite temperature record).

Their argument was that from the beginning of the satellite record in late 1978 into 1998, it showed a net global cooling trend, although ground measurements and instruments carried aloft by balloons showed warming in many areas. Unfortunately, part of the cooling trend seen by the satellites was eventually attributed to several years of cooler than normal temperatures and cooling caused by the eruption of the Mount Pinatubo volcano. Part of the discrepancy between the surface and atmospheric trends was resolved over a period of several years as Christy, Spencer and others identified several factors, including orbital drift and decay, that caused a net cooling bias in the data collected by the satellite instruments.

So I wouldn't suggest using him, or Spencer, as potential authorities to try to make their case. Just to save them the trouble.


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Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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All praise AlGore !

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Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Yup, nothing of substance from Rappy, as expected.



Thanks for bumping the thread, though. XD



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, April 12, 2013 6:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I appreciate that. He REALLY is having a hard time trying to be relevant lately, isn't he? Or is he even trying?

But thanks again for the bump...


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Friday, April 12, 2013 7:27 AM

STORYMARK


Ive noticed a lot of half-witted conservatives think that just shouting "Al Gore" somehow constitutes an argument. It is, like most of what they spew - laughable.




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