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When Christians become a hated minority
Sunday, May 5, 2013 4:59 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:14 AM
Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:36 AM
AGENTROUKA
Quote:"They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs," Johnson says. "For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred."
Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Adorable that a guy can say this... Quote:"They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs," Johnson says. "For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred." ... and not even attempt to reverse it toward himself. If they question your dogma, it MUST be persecution.
Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:12 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:41 AM
Quote: changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot.
Quote: Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says.
Quote: There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe.
Quote: Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says. Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well. Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.” “Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.”
Quote: it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with.
Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I'll read the article, I promise, but Rouka, was he saying that in reference to people who don't like anti-homosexual "Christians"? I thought it was someone saying it ABOUT anti-homosexual "Christians" when I first read it...
Quote: Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says. There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe. “They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.”
Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:30 AM
Sunday, May 5, 2013 9:22 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:52 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Monday, May 6, 2013 5:13 AM
Quote:Newt Gingrich Slams ‘One-Sidedness’ Of Gay Rights, Citing Services From Which Catholics Are ‘Outlawed’ In light of NBA player Jason Collins coming out as gay, David Gregory invited a Meet the Press panel to discuss the gay rights movement. Newt Gingrich was among the panelists — and chose to highlight the “one-sidedness” of the gay rights debate, pointing to the way Catholics are “outlawed” from having adoption services. GINGRICH: "What I'm struck with is the one-sidedness of the desire for rights. There are no rights for Catholics to have adoption services in Massachusetts. They're outlawed. There are no rights in DC for Catholics to have adoption service. They're outlawed. This passing reference to religion, we sort of respect religion, sure, as long as you don't practice it. I mean I think it would be good to have a debate over, you know, beyond this question of, 'Are you able to be gay in America?' what does it mean? Does it mean that you have to actually affirmatively eliminate any institution which does not automatically accept that, and therefore, you're now going to have a secular state say to a wide range of religious groups, Catholics, Protestants, orthodox Jews, Mormons, frankly, Muslims, 'You cannot practice your religion the way you believe it, and we will outlaw your institutions.' ... Let's just start with adoption services. It's impossible for the Catholic Church to have an adoption service in Massachusetts that follows Catholic doctrine. JOY-ANN REID: But didn't the Catholic Church, particularly Catholic Charities in Boston, they affirmatively decided to withdraw adoption services. No one said they are not allowed to provide adoption services. GINGRICH: No, they withdrew them because they were told, "You could not follow Catholic doctrine," which is for marriage between a man and a woman. REID: I think the point is, is that you don't have the state attempting to tell religions what to believe. People, if they oppose the idea of gay marriage within their religion, have the absolute right to do so. The question is whether or not religious institutions can make public policy, whether they can enter the public policy. http://www.towleroad.com/2013/05/mtpgingrich.html#ixzz2SWbeyANX
Quote:Furthermore, when the California Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage by overturning Proposition 22 (the predecessor to Proposition 8), the court decision specifically stated that religious institutions would not be required to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies, citing a precedent. Bending over backwards to not interfere with the practice of religion is not good enough for these people - they want a theocracy, with only one sect in charge.
Quote:Newtie's colossal blind spots aside, we've all seen clinical homophobes concoct a vast array of justifications for their bitter neuroses and sad delusions. Crying "Victim!!" is one of their favorites. Personal and institutional beliefs are not relevant here, fair and equal treatment of people is the one and only requirement. If an agency cannot or will not fulfill it, they cannot engage in business.
Quote:Newt also lied because the laws requiring equal adoption rights for LGBT human beings were passed at least a decade BEFORE marriage equality in MA and Catholic Charities in Boston placed a baker's dozen children with same-sex couples in the 10 years before marriage equality. When the new head of the Church, Sean O'Malley, found out the allegedly secular charity was treating gays and lesbians as human beings, he insisted that they stop. In response to this unprecedented interference, 20% of the charity's BOD quit in protest.
Monday, May 6, 2013 5:32 AM
Quote:Track Officials Disqualify High School Runner for Thanking God in Sign Language Gesture Critics say official ruling impedes free exercise of religion A Texas high school track team was prevented from advancing to the state finals after the student who landed first place in the boys 4×100-meter relay pointed towards the sky in a gesture of faith, prompting the team’s disqualification. In a perverted interpretation of a rule governing high school sports, which prohibits any excessive celebration, relay anchor Derrick Hayes’ act of lifting his finger by his ear and pointing to the heavens was deemed to be a gaudy celebratory motion, on par with dancing or spiking a football in the end zone. Last week’s controversial judgment has members of the community and critics alike asking if the rule is a violation of the First Amendment, which prohibits the making of laws impeding the free exercise of religion. “I don’t see what the big deal is. When people are thanking God, I mean, he’s the reason we live,” Columbus resident Laporchia Miller told WFAA-TV. Columbus independent school district superintendent Robert O’Connor told WFAA his hands were tied: “I don’t think that the situation was technically a terrible scenario as far as his action, but the action did violate the context of the rule.” According to O’Connor, Hayes beat the second place runner by seven yards, making it their fastest race of the year. Parents have complained to the state, but as the rule stands almost all hand gestures are strictly prohibited. “It was a reaction,” the boy’s father KC Hayes said. “I mean you’re brought up your whole life that God gives you good things, you’re blessed.” The student’s hand gesture disqualification is just the latest example illustrating a disturbing trend of religious demonization seemingly occurring nationwide. In April, Fox News discovered that a U.S. Army training instructor was leading a class presentation that listed Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as examples of “religious extremism,” casting them alongside such groups as Al Qaeda, Hamas, and the Ku Klux Klan. Earlier this month, Breitbart also reported that the Pentagon released a statement confirming they would court martial soldiers for religious proselytization, specifically targeting soldiers promoting the Christian faith. An excerpt from the article follows: This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion. Having a “strapping, young Muslim Socialist” as president, perhaps we should not be so surprised, after all, it was German sociologist Karl Marx, the Father of Communism, who rejected religion, calling it the “opiate of the masses.” http://www.wfaa.com/news/205794321.html http://www.infowars.com/track-officials-disqualify-high-school-runner-for-thanking-god/
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