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Not Sorry: Bundy Spends Another 20 Minutes Rambling About 'The Negro'
Friday, April 25, 2014 10:56 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:He stood on a makeshift outdoor stage decked with American flags, with supporters occasionally shouting their approval of him. At the end of the event, a few supporters cursed and yelled at the reporters. Bundy, meanwhile, continued sharing thoughts on "the Negro community" in comments that tracked with the attempted clarification Bundy had given to conservative radio hosts throughout the day. "The question is: Are they slaves the way they are, the way they live, slaves to charity and government subsidized homes?" Bundy said. "Are they slaves when their daughters are having abortions and their sons in the graves and prisons?" "This thought goes back a long time over the years," he said. Of seeing black people in their government-subsidized homes in Las Vegas, he said: "I thought, 'Would they be happier if they was home, talking about the South, where they come from? Would they have been home with their gardens and their chickens and their children playing around them?'" "Would they? That was the question I ask, and I ask you: Would they be happier?" http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/cliven-bundy-press-conference-not-sorry
Quote:"That shows you how unhinged from reality this guy is,” he said. "You wondered if blacks were better off as slaves picking cotton and having a family life? They didn’t have a family life! That’s the real key to what he said. And there’s no way around that sentence.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/24/rand-paul-and-other-republican-leaders-back-away-from-bundy/?tid=pm_pop
Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 AM
Quote:Republicans distance selves from Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy over racial remarks Prominent Republicans and conservative news media outlets rallied in recent weeks around the cause of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, whose armed standoff with authorities over grazing rights on federal land had made him an instant folk hero on the right. But Bundy’s GOP defenders, including Sens. Dean Heller (Nev.) and Rand Paul (Ky.), rapidly abandoned him on Thursday following reports of incendiary remarks that the white rancher made about minorities. Bundy wondered aloud whether blacks would be better off as slaves picking cotton, and alleged that people of color are “against us.” The controversy marks another major headache for establishment Republicans working to build better relationships with blacks and Hispanics — crucial voting blocs that have increasingly supported Democrats in recent elections. The GOP is in the midst of a messaging tour aimed at reintroducing the party to minority voters, including lawmaker visits to minority neighborhoods and to historically black colleges. “It undermines the broader, more important goals to rebrand and reestablish a conversation with a community that looks suspiciously upon most of the things you say,” said former Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele, referring to African Americans in particular. Steele, who was the RNC’s first black chairman, added that Republicans must declare that “there is no place for this level of ignorance and stupidity around matters of race in our party.” Bundy said he “hardly ever” saw a black person until he was almost a teenager and noted that he is surrounded by white faces. “Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese — where are they?” Bundy said. “They’re just as much American as we are, and they’re not with us. If they’re not with us, they’re going to be against us.” Before those comments were publicized, a number of prominent Republicans had offered support for Bundy’s cause. Heller, Nevada’s junior senator, said Bundy and his makeshift militia were “patriots” during a local news interview. And Paul said he was sympathetic with Bundy’s opposition to federal ownership of grazing land, while distancing himself from the militant side of Bundy’s resistance. “I’m for obeying the law, and I’m not for a violent outcome,” Paul said Monday. Much of that support evaporated Thursday. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus called Bundy’s racial comments “completely beyond the pale” and “100 percent wrong.” Paul said the remarks were “offensive,” while a spokesman for Heller declared them “appalling and racist.” The rancher is the latest in a series of figures — including rock singer Ted Nugent and “Duck Dynasty” reality show star Phil Robertson — who made controversial racial remarks after being championed by conservatives. Republican operatives acknowledge that those associations have damaged the party’s attempts to rebrand itself. Crystal Wright, a conservative commentator, said, “Republicans are part of our own problem,” given the regular embrace of figures such as Bundy. “My parents didn’t sit-in at lunch counters so that they would be told that they would have been better off learning how to pick cotton,” Wright said. “We as conservatives don’t do a great job of cleaning up these racial missteps.” Some Democrats and political scientists argue that conservative ideology focused on “state’s rights” — an issue linked with preservation of slavery and Jim Crow laws — makes it exceedingly difficult for Republicans to attract minority voters. Bundy’s comments, they said, show a common connection between anti-government ideology and racial animosity. “He is a window into the soul of modern conservatism,” said Ian Haney López, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, who wrote a book called “Dog Whistle Politics.” He added, “A demonization of minorities and a demonization of the government in modern conservatism — those are inextricably linked.” More at http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-distance-selves-from-nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-over-racial-remarks/2014/04/24/76a72780-cbe3-11e3-95f7-7ecdde72d2ea_story.html?tid=pm_pop
Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 AM
Quote:In the coming hours and days, we can expect much of Bundy's existing support to dry up, and it will likely hurt his decades-long cause to graze his cattle on federal land significantly. But given how all of this is shaping up now, it begs the question: Why did some Republicans see fit to get behind this guy in the first place? The answer: anger. Polls in recent years have shown that tea party supporters aren't just skeptical of the federal government; they're actually quite angry at it. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll showed 96 percent of tea partiers said you can only sometimes or never trust the government -- and 20 percent of them volunteered "never," even though it wasn't offered as an option. Two others things the tea party loves, of course, are guns and the Constitution. In Bunkerville, Nev., you have a guy who not only doesn't trust the federal government; he says he doesn't believe in it, period. And he's surrounded by armed supporters creating a modern-day militia, as the federal government shows up with its own arms ready for a standoff. The result is basically a tailor-made tea party struggle featuring the little guy against big, intrusive, heavy-handed government. The tea party is a movement constantly in search of a cause, and it tends to get quite involved basically any time it feels the federal government -- or the GOP establishment -- oversteps its bounds. When it comes to Republican primaries, this has sometimes led the movement to back unsavory and/or later-discredited candidates, such as Richard Mourdock, Christine O'Donnell or Sharron Angle. All of these candidates were great receptacles for the tea party's anger but turned out to be exceedingly poor messengers for its cause. The situation with Bundy is much the same. The tea party found what seemed like a good cause, but because it's a rather unwieldy and diffuse organization, its supporters never truly vetted the man whose lot they was throwing in with. This is Politics 101; anytime you join a cause, you make darn sure you want to be seen with the guy/gal leading the charge. But the tea party can't or won't figure this out. And today, the Republicans and tea partiers who had the poor judgment to get too friendly with Bundy's cause are paying the price. Excerpts from http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-the-tea-partys-latest-anti-hero/
Friday, April 25, 2014 11:19 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, April 25, 2014 12:02 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, April 25, 2014 12:13 PM
ELVISCHRIST
Friday, April 25, 2014 1:01 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: But given how all of this is shaping up now, it begs the question: Why did some Republicans see fit to get behind this guy in the first place? The answer: anger.
Friday, April 25, 2014 2:15 PM
Friday, April 25, 2014 4:30 PM
REAVERFAN
Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: His views on race are completely consistent with the GOP's. That's why he's a right wing hero.
Friday, April 25, 2014 4:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: But given how all of this is shaping up now, it begs the question: Why did some Republicans see fit to get behind this guy in the first place? The answer: anger. Of course they're angry - and ironically it's over what I consider one of the few, rare 'benefits' of Government.... That it keeps them from inflicting their RELIGION, and their abhorrent and disgusting so-called moral "values" upon the rest of us by force. They're angry that the "Gubmint" cockblocks them from putting minorities, women and the poor "in their place". Cause that's what this is all about, it's what it ALWAYS has ever been about, ever since Hamilton, Jay and Madison argued for a new aristocracy with themselves at the head of it. -Frem
Friday, April 25, 2014 5:46 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, April 25, 2014 6:21 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by second: Fox News also blasted the rancher, saying in a statement, “Cliven Bundy’s outrageous racist remarks undermine decades of progress in our effort to come up with cleverer ways of saying the same thing.”
Friday, April 25, 2014 6:28 PM
Quote:RNC Spokesman Is Furious The GOP Has Been Lumped With Bundy A top spokesman for the Republican National Committee got heated during an interview Friday on CNN, saying Republicans have been unfairly linked to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his racist remarks. RNC communications director Sean Spicer denounced the comments from the rancher who became something of a conservative hero earlier this month during a standoff with the federal government over gazing fees. Bundy's star came crashing down on Thursday after the New York Times published quotes in which he wondered aloud whether blacks would be better off as slaves. But Spicer also used the opportunity to criticize the media for injecting GOP politics into the story. He did not acknowledge, however, that several high profile Republicans, including possible 2016 presidential contenders, had praised the rancher before the racist comments became public. "I think the comments that Mr. Bundy made with respect to race and other things were inappropriate and wrong, 100 percent out of line and not part of the discourse we need to have," Spicer said. "But that being said, what I find fascinating as the chief spokesman for the Republican Party is that when a guy has a problem with cattle grazing and has a discussion about the size of the federal government and the overreach of the federal government, makes a comment every reporter calls the Republican National Committee asking for comment." "The issue with Cliven Bundy has absolutely nothing to do with his party, zero," Spicer said. "He is a Nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made some inappropriate comments about what every Republican needs to answer for. That's absolutely ridiculous." http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-cnn-sean-spicer-gop
Friday, April 25, 2014 6:34 PM
Quote:Cliven Bundy's Daughter Rips Fox News Host Sean Hannity Cliven Bundy doesn't think Fox News host Sean Hannity "abandoned" him in the wake of his racist, pro-slavery rant, but one of the Nevada rancher's daughters thinks otherwise. Shiree Bundy Cox on Thursday took aim at conservatives who rallied and amplified her father's cause on national television only to abandon him after the media "turned this into a circus side show." "Sean Hannity was all for reporting the happenings at the Bundy Ranch until this popped up. I wonder if someone hoped it would be that way….By the way, I think Mr. Hannity is more worried about his ratings than he really is about what my dad said. If he supports a supposed racist, what will that do to his ratings? He's already lost his #1 spot on Fox," she added. Hannity condemned Bundy's comments as "despicable" and "repugnant" on Thursday, and his network has gone all but silent on the matter. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hannity-bundy-fox-news-daughter
Friday, April 25, 2014 6:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Well, at least she admits her dad's a racist...
Friday, April 25, 2014 7:47 PM
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PIRATENEWS
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Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Dims have zero ideas, but to trump up more phony issues and character assassinate anyone they deem in the same galactic quadrant as Bundy as "siding with him ".
Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:14 PM
Quote:Weir at one point challenged the Nevada rancher about whether he was any more or less a "welfare queen" since his cattle have been feeding off the government, literally, by eating grass on public land. Bundy's response: "I might be a welfare queen. But I'll tell you I'm producing something for America and using a resource that nobody else would use or could use. I'm putting red meat on the table." http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/politics/cliven-bundy-interview/
Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:24 PM
Quote:CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this. And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it. http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Quote:GALLAGHER: From day one, I said let’s not get too excited about this guy. We don’t know anything about him. He’s not exactly—this is probably not a guy who could be – is the poster child for being folk hero status. That’s what I said. WALLACE: Well, that’s wise. ‘Cause I must say, some of your colleagues on the conservative side jumped on this bandwagon way too quickly… and, you know, I’ve never quite understood why this guy was a hero. I mean I understand you say, “Well, government overreach, big government.” But as Charles Krauthammer said yesterday, “You know, if I wanted to graze my sheep in Central Park, do I have a right to do that?” …The guy had had judgments against him. They went to court… we have a system…. If you don’t like what the court does, then you appeal it in the court. He’d been in the courts for ten years and the courts kept ruling against him…. I’m not saying that the government acted perfectly. On the other hand… there are obligations. It would be like saying, “Well, I’m not going to allow myself to be screened at the airport. Because that’s government overreach.” GALLAGHER: No, you’re right. You’re right. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/25/fox-news-host-wallace-conservatives-jumped-on-b/199029
Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:54 PM
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1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:44 PM
Quote: And another FauxNewser, Mike Wallace, agreed:
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Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:10 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: What really got me about this Fox Cowboy and his armed supporters, was when one of them claimed that they were planning on placing women on the front lines as human shields. As if to say that "if these gubmint bastards shoot, then their evil sonsofbitches because, you know, they're women." Great strategy. SGG
Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: A little jail time would make him think differently about stealing
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Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Allah Sucks!
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Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Uncomfortable as it is, the plan is a sound one. It would have its desired effect." So, you approve. As long as it's a x-tian white dude doing it. Got it.
Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:49 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How does your brain even begin to come to that conclusion?
Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: You claim you don't agree.
Quote: So, should drones take him out? Bombs? Or is that level of 'disagreement' reserved for only Muslims?
Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How does your brain even begin to come to that conclusion? You fed him the data, he processed it. You think like they do.
Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:11 PM
Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Has he taken any lives ? Plotted to kill American civilians?". So, you give him the benefit of the doubt.
Quote: Yet you ASSUME that just because someone was drone-killed they MUST be terrorists and they MUST have killed people, right? They MUST have plotted to kill people, right? What proof do you have?
Quote: It seems like you only require proof if they're x-tian white conservative males.
Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:28 PM
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Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "I asked you a direct question. Care to answer it ? " You asked more than 1. They looked rhetorical. Which question do you want answered?
Quote: "Yes. I need proof that a white christian male, a cattle rancher, is a threat to plot and or kill civilians before he gets his ass droned. Don't YOU ?" But you don't need proof for anyone else. DO you?
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