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Smackdown between Avengers 2 and Jurassic World

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
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Monday, April 13, 2015 5:21 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/joss-whedon-slams-jurassic-world-clip
-70s-era-040039955.html


Oooh, anybody wanna start taking bets on which one will do better at da box office??

Whedon replied: "... and I'm too busy wishing this clip wasn't '70s-era sexist. She's a stiff, he's a life-force — really? Still?"

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Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:07 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I think it'll be Jurassic World- IF it gets good enough public reviews- and simply because the Jurassic franchise is slightly better well known. I know many people who never read comic and wouldn't watch Avengers2, but would see another Jurassic. I'm also willing to bet the Jurassic has higher numbers in the Asian demographics.

Anyone else have something to add?

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Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:21 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I'm pretty sure the box office winner will be Age of Ultron. I still love Jurassic Park but have no interest in Jurassic World.



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Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:44 AM

MOOSE


I'm betting Avengers will kick JW's butt in the box office.
The MCU is still going strong, their last two movies were blockbusters and their TV shows seem to be doing well.

JPIII was 14! years ago and while it was successful in the box office, it was panned critically.
I'll watch Jurassic World but it's not a movie that I've been anxious to see.

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Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:24 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Well, it does come out first, so it has that advantage. I know plenty of people who only go see a movie once or twice a year, and I doubt they'd go twice so close together...

Star Wars will prolly outdo both of 'em...

https://gma.yahoo.com/avengers-age-ultron-stars-face-off-family-feud-1
10638010--abc-news-movies.html

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Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:25 AM

ZEEK


Is it me or was that scene not sexist? It was nerdist if anything. I mean I have a bachelors in science and you could easily put me in her role and a "lifeforce" woman in his role and I'd be saying similar stuff.

I don't know I just didn't get any sexist vibes coming from that scene. I got shoddy writing vibes but that's about it.

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Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:13 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I normally try to avoid trailers, clips, promos, etc. I made an exception this time, and just watched the clip in question. I would say it is sexually suggestive, which doesn't necessarily equate to sexist, but I can see why Joss reacted the way he did. He has since apologized, but I don't think he should have.

I still have no interest. I have to assume they are treating this like a reboot, because if the history of the three other films in the franchise are still in play, anyone who felt safe going to that park is stupid.



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Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:37 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
...anyone who felt safe going to that park is stupid.




Ok, lets say the park had been open for five years with no problems, and you got a free ticket. You wouldn't go?

Pass me an in flight cookie, I'm THERE.

PS we LUV aquariums and zoos at our house. That kinda thing would be right up our alley.

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Thursday, April 16, 2015 11:09 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I normally try to avoid trailers, clips, promos, etc. I made an exception this time, and just watched the clip in question. I would say it is sexually suggestive, which doesn't necessarily equate to sexist, but I can see why Joss reacted the way he did. He has since apologized, but I don't think he should have.

I still have no interest. I have to assume they are treating this like a reboot, because if the history of the three other films in the franchise are still in play, anyone who felt safe going to that park is stupid.





Not a reboot.

Other than the T-Rex in San Diego how much do you think the public would really know? I assume the first park disaster would be kind of an urban legend with a few people writing tell all books followed by denials and attempts to discredit them. When some new company comes in and overhauls the island and park I assume people would be cautious but curious. Some people would surely take the risk to see living dinosaurs and as more and more people come back perfectly safe I think the public would be all over it.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 11:56 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


TOP TEN HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIES OF ALL TIME WORLDWIDE

BTW...



Title

Gross

Year

1 Avatar $2,787,965,087 2009
2 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997
3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011
5 Frozen $1,279,852,693 2013
6 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013
7 Furious 7 $1,152,710,000 2015
8 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011
9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003
10 Skyfall $1,108,561,013 2012
Source: Box Office Mojo




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Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:56 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry

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Monday, June 15, 2015 7:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
TOP TEN HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIES OF ALL TIME WORLDWIDE

BTW...



Title

Gross

Year

1 Avatar $2,787,965,087 2009
2 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997
3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011
5 Frozen $1,279,852,693 2013
6 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013
7 Furious 7 $1,152,710,000 2015
8 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011
9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003
10 Skyfall $1,108,561,013 2012
Source: Box Office Mojo

www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Age of Ultron moved up to #5 with Skyfall moving off list to #11
Jurassic World is #291 and moving upward fast, eventually into the Top Ten List.
Ticket Sales in $ millions are not adjusted for inflation, else 1977's Star Wars would be #1 rather than #53 with #54 being 2014's Guardians of the Galaxy.

1 Avatar $2,788.0 2009
2 Titanic $2,186.8 1997
3 Marvel's The Avengers $1,518.6 2012
4 Furious 7 $1,510.8 2015
5 Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,354.9 2015
6 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 $1,341.5 2011
7 Frozen $1,274.2 2013
8 Iron Man 3 $1,215.4 2013
9 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123.8 2011
10 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119.9 2003

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 15, 2015 9:14 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Well, I was wrong. Jurassic World beat the opening weekend of Ultron.

I was meh on Ultron, might watch it again one of these days, but I still have no interest in JW.



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Monday, June 15, 2015 10:51 AM

ZEEK


I was really impressed with Jurassic World. It's actually a better film than Age of Ultron if you ask me. Sure there's a few just bad scenes. There are quite a few cheesy lines that didn't land the way they likely intended, but the movie is just a straight forward popcorn flick and it nails that. I never thought Jurassic World would have a chance against an Avengers movie after the first one did so well, but at this point I'll be surprised if Jurassic World doesn't win.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 10:45 PM

THGRRI


I will be waiting for both on DVD. I'd rather spend the money to own the film than pay the price of a DVD to see it once in the theaters. It's a plan that works well for me. Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, and so on.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Jurassic World did better than I expected. I finally went and saw it, after the initial weekend, and was a bit surprised. It was better than I was expecting.

They still don't treat T. Rex w/ the due respect as they should, but at least they get it close to being right.


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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:29 PM

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How The Avengers: Age of Ultron Should Have Ended - Part two


Jurassic World - Raptor Training



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:00 PM

THGRRI


cool



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Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:32 PM

THGRRI


I'm afraid the numbers crown the undisputed winner. The rest is based on conjecture and personal biases.

I shall enjoy them both.


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Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:19 PM

THGRRI


This is the movie that's going to take it all. I hope they do an extended trailer.





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Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:40 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Ok, so I've seen Jurassic World and today I saw San Andreas. San Andreas was better. I'll take a tsunami over a T-rex fight, I guess. Wouldn't mind seeing it again, actually.

Jurassic World just annoyed me. The lead chick was obnoxious. I hate it when prissy women make that "tssst" sound after every other word. Makes me wanna smack 'em for being pretentious because you don't need to do that unless you have a lisp. And Joss was totally right about someone being stuck in the 70's. You take out the updated tech and it COULD have been set about then.

Even my kid hated her....




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Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Wasn't she suppose to be hated ?

And I'll have to agree w/ the T. Rex, Indominous Rex , Velociraptor, Mososaur " fight ". It wasn't as bad as The Lost World one, because at least the T. Rex...well, I won't spoil.


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Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:44 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wasn't she suppose to be hated ?




Crap job with character development then, I still didn't like her by the end.

I'd rather hate the villains, than the chick the guy ends up with at the end. I mean, it's not exactly a relationship ta root for (and believe me- I didn't!)

Maybe they were going for the whole "there's no villians here, just flawed people to be redeemed" She's not worth it....

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Wednesday, July 1, 2015 8:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Ok, so I've seen Jurassic World and today I saw San Andreas. San Andreas was better. I'll take a tsunami over a T-rex fight, I guess. Wouldn't mind seeing it again, actually.

Jurassic World just annoyed me. The lead chick was obnoxious. I hate it when prissy women make that "tssst" sound after every other word. Makes me wanna smack 'em for being pretentious because you don't need to do that unless you have a lisp. And Joss was totally right about someone being stuck in the 70's. You take out the updated tech and it COULD have been set about then.

Even my kid hated her....


I probably need to agree with this. SA had far less plot to deal with, but did it far better.
Was the original Jurassic this bad? I remember the ramp up for the original, the postponement of that ER TV show for a few years in favor of Jurassic, and the casting I enjoyed. This one didn't exactly make me think it was much different, which makes me wonder if the first was really this horrible. I felt like I was stuck in a Gravity sequel - the stupidest people that could be found competing to out-stupid each other just like Gravity. Worse than a bad horror film. Will anybody really want to see this again, other than kids in 3D? I regret wasting my time on it. Fortunately, followed it up with Terminator on it's opening night and showtime (and a far less crowded theater than Jurassic.)

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Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:10 AM

ZEEK


lol I would watch Jurrasic World again. Heck I might even get it on bluray. The main female character was supposed to be annoying in her pretentiousness. That was kind of her thing. She gets redeemed by the end IMO. Whatever it was just a fun action movie with frickin dinosaurs.

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Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:30 PM

THGRRI


I'll wait for it on Netflix. Hey maybe they'll do a sequel?



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Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:25 PM

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Age of Ultron is #5. Jurassic World is #8, about to pass Frozen, breaking the hearts of little girls.
www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
WORLDWIDE GROSSES
1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 2009^
2 Titanic Par. $2,186.8 1997^
3 Marvel's The Avengers BV $1,518.6 2012
4 Furious 7 Uni. $1,511.6 2015
5 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $1,372.2 2015
6 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 WB $1,341.5 2011
7 Frozen BV $1,274.2 2013
8 Jurassic World Uni. $1,265.9 2015
9 Iron Man 3 BV $1,215.4 2013
10 Transformers: Dark of the Moon P/DW 2011


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 3, 2015 7:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wasn't she suppose to be hated ?




Crap job with character development then, I still didn't like her by the end.

I'd rather hate the villains, than the chick the guy ends up with at the end. I mean, it's not exactly a relationship ta root for (and believe me- I didn't!)

Maybe they were going for the whole "there's no villains here, just flawed people to be redeemed" She's not worth it....



Don't disagree with what ya said. But then, the 2 boys were annoying as well, imo.

Also, Claire sort of reminded me, more than a little, of Rachel from Orphan Black. At least, that's how she started off the movie. There was suppose to be this great transformation as she began to see things differently , blah blah blah. Would have been funnier and more true to form had she stayed in origianl B-mode, despite seeing the real world, up close and personal.

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Monday, July 6, 2015 6:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wasn't she suppose to be hated ?




Crap job with character development then, I still didn't like her by the end.

I'd rather hate the villains, than the chick the guy ends up with at the end. I mean, it's not exactly a relationship ta root for (and believe me- I didn't!)

Maybe they were going for the whole "there's no villains here, just flawed people to be redeemed" She's not worth it....



Don't disagree with what ya said. But then, the 2 boys were annoying as well, imo.

Also, Claire sort of reminded me, more than a little, of Rachel from Orphan Black. At least, that's how she started off the movie. There was suppose to be this great transformation as she began to see things differently , blah blah blah. Would have been funnier and more true to form had she stayed in origianl B-mode, despite seeing the real world, up close and personal.


And D'Onofrio wasn't annoying? Or the security guard?
Maybe easier to list likeable characters. Pratt. Maybe the tech guy in the control booth. Who else? They weren't caricatures of stupid at least.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:19 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Jurassic World is now ahead of Age of Ultron. Ooh, it's definitely the end times. It will be especially outrageous if Jurassic World also passes Marvel's The Avengers (2012).
www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
WORLDWIDE GROSSES
1 Avatar $2,788.0 2009
2 Titanic $2,186.8 1997
3 Furious 7 $1,520.6 2015
4 Marvel's The Avengers $1,519.6 2012
5 Jurassic World $1,470.1 2015
6 Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,388.6 2015
7 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 $1,341.5 2011
8 Frozen $1,274.2 2013
9 Iron Man 3 $1,215.4 2013
10 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123.8 2011

http://xkcd.com/758/
The Raptor Fences Are Down

"If at least one person has a nightmare about being swarmed by hundreds of mouse-sized dromaeosaurids, my work will have been done."

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:15 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Eight out of ten are SF or fantasy. On the domestic chart, Titanic is the only non-genre film in the Top 10. Why then it is always so difficult for genre TV to be a success?



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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I plan on watching it again this weekend, w/ a first timer. 2 more tickets for the Dinos.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 5:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Eight out of ten are SF or fantasy. On the domestic chart, Titanic is the only non-genre film in the Top 10. Why then it is always so difficult for genre TV to be a success?


Cost. TV shows cost so much per episode, compared to 20 twits gossiping about each other on reality show, which costs nothing. Comparative commercial rates wipe out quality TV.

Titanic had a great advantage: nobody knew the ending. Today's audience didn't know the ship would sink.

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Friday, July 24, 2015 12:39 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Jurassic World has passed two Avenger movies.
www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

1 Avatar $2,788.0
2 Titanic $2,186.8
3 Jurassic World $1,524.6
4 Marvel's The Avengers $1,519.6
5 Furious 7 $1,511.7
6 Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,393.5
7 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 $1,341.5
8 Frozen $1,274.2
9 Iron Man 3 $1,215.4
10 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123.8

Jurassic World is now an exoplanet orbiting Kepler-296. Avengers World is only a monthly comic book.
http://xkcd.com/1555/


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