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Avengers 2 pre-review from a not-entirely-thrilled viewer

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Monday, May 18, 2015 18:29
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Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:05 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Warning, it has veiled clues to the plot in it, so if you'd rather not know, look away now...



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/04/21/review-avengers-
age-of-ultron-is-a-galactus-sized-disappointment/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix



"I didn’t hate Avengers: Age of Ultron, but I did hate that I didn’t like it all that much even though there was indeed blood, sweat, and tears from all involved in its creation. There are moments of wit and a few rich character beats (avoid the clips like the plague), but there are diamonds in the rough. This seemingly all-important chapter feels like a stop-gap, an intermission from a filmmaker who doesn’t want to be here and a company that would rather just move on to the next big movie. I just desperately wanted it to be alive."

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Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:48 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes, just FYI

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Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:44 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes, just FYI

81 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron
92 for The Avengers (2012) www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers
82 for Serenity www.rottentomatoes.com/m/serenity

72 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron
69 for The Avengers (2012) www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012
74 for Serenity www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity

In the comic book Age of Ultron, the Avengers defeated Ultron two times!
www.amazon.com/Age-Ultron-Brian-Michael-Bendis/dp/078515566X

Ultron's first defeat was an annihilation so complete that Ultron never even existed. That was too much because the Avengers needed Ultron as a sparring partner to develop their skills for fighting enemies worse than Ultron. The second time the Avengers stop Ultron, they use a time machine to defeat Ultron with more finesse and a whole lot less stomping of his shiny metal ass.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:04 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by second:

83% for Avengers 2
92 for The Avengers
82 for Serenity




Cabin in the Woods has a 91
Much Ado has an 85

Better average than most could ever do.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3052554/I-diagnosed-ovari
an-cancer-25-Met-Mother-star-Cobie-Smulders-reveals-secret-health-battle-five-years-on.html


Glad she made it through OK, would've hated for them to replace her.
I wonder about the timing of saying something NOW, but... that's the Biz.



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Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:05 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:

83% for Avengers 2
92 for The Avengers
82 for Serenity




Cabin in the Woods has a 91
Much Ado has an 85

Better average than most could ever do.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3052554/I-diagnosed-ovari
an-cancer-25-Met-Mother-star-Cobie-Smulders-reveals-secret-health-battle-five-years-on.html


Glad she made it through OK, would've hated for them to replace her.
I wonder about the timing of saying something NOW, but... that's the Biz.





My late mother got that not long after Gilda Radnor died from it, it isn't what she died from but when a woman gets that form of cancer the odds are against her. Glad Cobie beat it.

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Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:38 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

Cabin in the Woods has a 91
Much Ado has an 85

Better average than most could ever do.

91 is very nice for Cabin in the Woods, but it is being sued over copyright infringement, and Joss only wrote half of it and directed none of it. Shakespeare can take some credit away from Joss for the writing of Much Ado. Serenity is all Joss, all the way. Avengers #1 is mostly Joss and a great deal of Marvel. Avengers #2 is even more Marvel, because they published the Age of Ultron comic just before Joss wrote Avengers Age of Ultron, even if Joss paid no attention to that comic, Marvel paid attention.

Metacritic isn't the same as Rotten Tomatoes, it's more consistent from movie to movie.

72 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron
69 for The Avengers (2012) www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012
74 for Serenity www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity
72 for Cabin in the Woods www.metacritic.com/movie/the-cabin-in-the-woods
78 for Much Ado www.metacritic.com/movie/much-ado-about-nothing

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:42 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
... 91 is very nice for Cabin in the Woods, but it is being sued over copyright infringement



Frivolous poo. Joss will triumph or he shall release the Hulk! Huzzah!


Sorry 'bout yer moms Whoz. Cancer sucks.


'Nother review
http://news.yahoo.com/review-age-ultron-avengers-overdose-200702432.ht
ml




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Friday, April 24, 2015 6:19 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Metacritic gives Avengers #2 a higher score than Avengers #1 while Rotten Tomatoes gives Avengers #2 a much lower score than Avengers #1. I bet Metacritic has the correct ranking and Rotten Tomatoes does not because I looked at how other Joss Whedon movies were ranked.

Rotten Tomatoes gives 91 to Cabin in the Woods versus 82 for Serenity. Cabin in the Woods is not the better movie in my opinion, even if Rotten Tomatoes disagrees.

Metacritic gives 72 to Cabin in the Woods versus 74 for Serenity, with the higher score to the better movie. That is consistency. Metacritic is better than Rotten Tomatoes at calculating the consensus of critics' opinions about movies. www.metacritic.com/about-metascores

72 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at www.metacritic.com/movie/avengers-age-of-ultron
69 for The Avengers (2012) www.metacritic.com/movie/the-avengers-2012
74 for Serenity www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity
72 for Cabin in the Woods www.metacritic.com/movie/the-cabin-in-the-woods
78 for Much Ado www.metacritic.com/movie/much-ado-about-nothing

Was 83, now 81 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron
92 for The Avengers (2012) www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers
82 for Serenity www.rottentomatoes.com/m/serenity
91 for Cabin in the Woods www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_cabin_in_the_woods
85 for Much Ado www.rottentomatoes.com/m/much_ado_about_nothing_2012

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 24, 2015 4:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


metacritic seemed to give 70 for Galaxy Quest, 74 for Inception, 72 for American Sniper, and no listing for Hero or The Man Who Knew Too Little.

Color me unimpressed.

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Friday, April 24, 2015 11:15 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
metacritic seemed to give 70 for Galaxy Quest, 74 for Inception, 72 for American Sniper, and no listing for Hero or The Man Who Knew Too Little.

Color me unimpressed.

Metacritic heard of your complaint and immediately gave Hero (2002) an 84 www.metacritic.com/movie/hero

The Internet Movie database www.imdb.com uses metacritic for films after 1999 when metacritic started. The Man Who Knew Too Little (1997) came out two years too long ago.

Metacritic does not inflate the scores. It only keeps track of what critics are saying. It is not the final and absolute arbiter of tasteful cinema. A score of 61 – 80 means “Generally Favorable Reviews” and 81 – 100 means “Universal Acclaim”.

I'll give you an example of great movie and a movie with “mixed” reviews.
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope is 91 www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-iv---a-new-hope
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace is 51 www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-i---the-phantom-menace


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 25, 2015 2:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


That would explain why Hero(1992) was not listed. Others I often use for validation are not going to be there either.

Knowing that it uses critics helps understand why it will be wrong so often.

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Monday, April 27, 2015 11:33 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That would explain why Hero(1992) was not listed. Others I often use for validation are not going to be there either.

Knowing that it uses critics helps understand why it will be wrong so often.

It is not wrong. The metacritic critics from around the whole wide world like Avengers 2 more than Avengers 1 and so #2 is selling more tickets than #1 did.

On the other hand, Rotten Tomatoes has got it wrong with its reviews of Avengers #2 rated lower, and sinking fast, compared to Avengers #1.

Was 83, then 81, now 78 for Avengers: Age of Ultron at
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron
92 for The Avengers (2012) www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers

Avengers 2 Dominated (Almost) Every Country This Weekend

Joss Whedon’s Avengers 2 has been dominating the foreign box office, winning all 26 of the markets in which it opened so far.

Avengers: Age of Ultron ended the weekend with $201 million total, earning the top spot in all 44 territories in which it opened, surpassing the already high expectations. The IMAX returns are the largest non-China international opening of all time with $10.4 million. Breaking records and taking no prisoners, the $279 million blockbuster held a 96 percent market share in Korea, 79 percent in Australia, 75 percent in Germany, and 91 percent in Russia. Collectively, it made $44.8 million in two days, 40 percent more than the first Avengers. – www.vulture.com/2015/04/avengers-2-dominated-almost-every-country.html

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“I'm glad you asked that because I want to take this time to explain my evil plan.” - Ultron



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 27, 2015 3:56 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yanno, I failed to factor in the It's-been-a-long-boring-winter-and this-is-the-first-big-blockbuster-of-Spring factor...

I guess the rest of half the planet feels the same. Even with the negative comments I've read I know I'll be in line for it Friday.


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Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That would explain why Hero(1992) was not listed. Others I often use for validation are not going to be there either.

Knowing that it uses critics helps understand why it will be wrong so often.

It is not wrong.


I meant wrong in the sense of critical review, not as predictor of Box Office revenue.
Once upon a time, movie reviews were intended to help moviegoers decide which film to see, or if they would see a film - if it was worth it.

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Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Metacritic gives Avengers #2 a higher score than Avengers #1 while Rotten Tomatoes gives Avengers #2 a much lower score than Avengers #1. I bet Metacritic has the correct ranking and Rotten Tomatoes does not because I looked at how other Joss Whedon movies were ranked.


Oooops.
Avengers 207 Million opening.
Ultron 191 Million opening.

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Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


bump over troll.

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Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:02 PM

THGRRI


It's doing alright at the box office Wish.


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Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Metacritic gives Avengers #2 a higher score than Avengers #1 while Rotten Tomatoes gives Avengers #2 a much lower score than Avengers #1. I bet Metacritic has the correct ranking and Rotten Tomatoes does not because I looked at how other Joss Whedon movies were ranked.


Oooops.
Avengers 207 Million opening.
Ultron 191 Million opening.


It sounds like Ultron will not overtake Avengers at the Box Office.
Is Avengers still the record holder? Has no other overtaken it?

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Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It sounds like Ultron will not overtake Avengers at the Box Office.
Is Avengers still the record holder? Has no other overtaken it?


Avengers holds the record for biggest opening weekend, but overall it is the third highest money-maker behind Avatar and Titanic.



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Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:06 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It sounds like Ultron will not overtake Avengers at the Box Office.
Is Avengers still the record holder? Has no other overtaken it?


Avengers holds the record for biggest opening weekend, but overall it is the third highest money-maker behind Avatar and Titanic.


Thanks. Do you think opener record will be challenged this year?

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Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:28 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I think Star Wars VII is likely to top it, although I'm not that interested in it.



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Sunday, May 17, 2015 10:06 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


“Avengers: Age of Ultron” took China by storm this week, scoring the country’s second highest-grossing debut in history.

The superhero sequel has made $156.3 million in its first six days in the People’s Republic, behind only “Furious 7” when it comes to China openings. Those big numbers pushed “Avengers: Age of Ultron’s” global total to $1.1 billion, making it the eighth highest-grossing film of all time.

The film topped foreign charts again, pulling in $185 million from overseas territories in its fourth week of international release.
http://variety.com/2015/film/reviews/avengers-age-of-ultron-china-debu
t-box-office-1201499105
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, May 17, 2015 10:27 PM

THGRRI


Still, these movies are all action and special effects without much substance.


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Monday, May 18, 2015 12:23 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Still, these movies are all action and special effects without much substance.


There is another movie with more substance than Ultron that also has a robot as the central character. Ex Machina is considered to have “substance” if you believe metacritic www.metacritic.com/movie/ex-machina
or Film Critic Hulk
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/11/film-crit-hulk-smash-ex-machina
-and-the-art-of-character-identification


But, and it is a big butt, Ex Machina sold only $29,048,268 in tickets. www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=exmachina.htm

In the world you live in, substance loses to flashy, trashy movies. See for example Furious 7, which sold worldwide $1,488,800,000 in tickets. www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fast7.htm

http://jollyjack.deviantart.com/art/We-Take-The-Sky-533680404


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 18, 2015 12:36 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Ex_Machina is most definitely a thinking person's SF film. Highly recommended.

http://templetongate.net/exmachina.htm



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Monday, May 18, 2015 6:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Ex_Machina is most definitely a thinking person's SF film. Highly recommended.

http://templetongate.net/exmachina.htm


Some of my thinking was incorrect, some of the foreshadowing is herring. Also the most nekkidness I've seen in cinema this year.

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