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Trump's pro-Putin stance costing him with voters

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:01 AM

KPO

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The Pennsylvania numbers provide more evidence of how much trouble Trump's attitude towards Russia could hurt him. Vladimir Putin has an 8/70 favorability rating with Pennsylvanians, and Russia as a whole comes in at 12/54. By a 43 point margin voters say they're less likely to vote for a candidate if it's perceived Russia is interfering with the election to try to help them, and by a 23 point margin they say they're less likely to vote for a candidate seen as being friendly toward Russia.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clinton-has-narrow-lea
d-in-pennsylvania.html


And this is in key swing state Pennsylvania. Ouch.

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Friday, August 5, 2016 8:08 AM

KPO

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Donald Trump's Top Ten Giveaways to Vladimir Putin:

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The number of pro-Putin positions that Donald Trump has taken has assumed quite remarkable proportions. He:

1. Wants to reduce America's commitment to NATO and reorient its activities to the Middle East. This is perhaps Vladmir Putin's greatest foreign policy desire.

2. Says America has no moral standing to complain about human and civil rights violations.

3. Welcomed Russia's incursion into Syria.

4. Considers Putin a great leader.

5. Would consider eliminating sanctions against Russia and recognizing their annexation of Crimea.

6. Wants to weaken American ties to its allies by insisting that he will walk away from them unless they pay us more for our military protection.

7. Never mentions Russia in his otherwise endless litany of countries that are taking advantage of us.

8. Opposes sending arms to Ukraine.

9. Is pro-Brexit.

10. Isn't sure he would defend the Baltics if Russia attacked them.

Have I missed anything? I probably have. It's hard to keep track.

Most of these are defensible positions on their own. I don't support sending arms to Ukraine, for example. Plenty of conservatives are pro-Brexit. And plenty of lefties would like to see us reduce our military footprint worldwide.

But even if you personally agree with an item or three on this list, the whole thing adds up to something unprecedented for an American candidate for president. Donald Trump considers America at odds with virtually the entire world. He's based his entire campaign on this. At various times he's mentioned China, Mexico, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, and the entire Pacific Rim. But never Russia. On the contrary, his list of positions toward Russia is basically Vladimir Putin's dream foreign policy. For a guy suffering under crippling sanctions, a tanking economy, low oil prices, and a demographic time bomb, Donald Trump is offering him everything he could possibly want. And what does Trump want in return? For Russia—and only for Russia—he wants nothing.

As much as I loathe Putin, I'm not among those who now think Mitt Romney was right when he listed Russia as our #1 geopolitical threat. Conservative fearmongering on the subject leaves me cold. Nonetheless, this list is not a coincidence. There's something behind the scenes guiding it. But what?



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/07/donald-trumps-top-ten-gi
veaways-vladimir-putin



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Friday, August 5, 2016 5:34 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


His greatest opponent is not Hillary, but his Yuge Ego! He's allowed himself to think that Putin really means it when he showers Trump with praise. Meanwhile, you can't pull the wool over everyone's eyes, no matter what you
say about the media being biased. Especially when it comes from your own mouth.

He punctures holes in his own campaign by his words and deeds. Imagine a politician kicking a baby out of a rally, not in the very least good. He professes his admiration for Putin, he claims to have met him, then he flip-flops and says he never met him. He stiffs American workers, puts people on
the unemployment line, uses illegal immigrants and bashes women, Hispanics and Muslims. Anyone left to vote for him, oh yeah, old white dudes and the poorly educated.

Even the rich donor class thinks he's an idiot. One such donor said, "he can't keep his big f*cking mouth shut." The RNC is looking for a way to legally oust and replace him with their own pick. Putin is just the tip of
the iceberg.


SGG


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Originally posted by kpo:
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The Pennsylvania numbers provide more evidence of how much trouble Trump's attitude towards Russia could hurt him. Vladimir Putin has an 8/70 favorability rating with Pennsylvanians, and Russia as a whole comes in at 12/54. By a 43 point margin voters say they're less likely to vote for a candidate if it's perceived Russia is interfering with the election to try to help them, and by a 23 point margin they say they're less likely to vote for a candidate seen as being friendly toward Russia.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clinton-has-narrow-lea
d-in-pennsylvania.html


And this is in key swing state Pennsylvania. Ouch.


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Saturday, August 6, 2016 8:27 AM

SIGNYM

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The number of pro-Putin positions that Donald Trump has taken has assumed quite remarkable proportions. He:

1. Wants to reduce America's commitment to NATO and reorient its activities to the Middle East. This is perhaps Vladmir Putin's greatest foreign policy desire.

2. Says America has no moral standing to complain about human and civil rights violations.

3. Welcomed Russia's incursion into Syria.

4. Considers Putin a great leader.

5. Would consider eliminating sanctions against Russia and recognizing their annexation of Crimea.

6. Wants to weaken American ties to its allies by insisting that he will walk away from them unless they pay us more for our military protection.

7. Never mentions Russia in his otherwise endless litany of countries that are taking advantage of us.

8. Opposes sending arms to Ukraine.

9. Is pro-Brexit.

10. Isn't sure he would defend the Baltics if Russia attacked them.

Have I missed anything? I probably have. It's hard to keep track.

Most of these are defensible positions on their own.

So, what's the problem? I went thru these one-by-one, and only came up with a few quibbles.

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I don't support sending arms to Ukraine, for example. Plenty of conservatives are pro-Brexit. And plenty of lefties would like to see us reduce our military footprint worldwide. But even if you personally agree with an item or three
Just OOC, how many do you agree with? Please detail which ones you disagree with, and why.

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on this list, the whole thing adds up to something unprecedented for an American candidate for president.
Which is...

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Donald Trump considers America at odds with virtually the entire world. He's based his entire campaign on this. At various times he's mentioned China, Mexico, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, and the entire Pacific Rim.
Well, in many important ways we ARE at odds with most of the entire world. That's why we have our military everywhere. After all, if other nations felt that OUR military mission was that important, they would have either

(1) stood their own military up for that cause or
(2) recognized the importance of the USA mission by paying for it.

Anything else is opportunism.

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But never Russia. On the contrary, his list of positions toward Russia is basically Vladimir Putin's dream foreign policy. For a guy suffering under crippling sanctions, a tanking economy, low oil prices
Thanks to the USA and our wahhabist terror-promoting ally, Saudi Arabia

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and a demographic time bomb
Like the EU

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Donald Trump is offering him everything he could possibly want. And what does Trump want in return? For Russia—and only for Russia—he wants nothing.


Okay, just OOC. and please disengage your Russophobia, if at all possible... what has Russia done to us? What do we "want' from Russia? What do YOU want from Russia? You seem like some sort of gay Canadian son of a Nazi Ukie expat. So be very clear. What do YOU want from Russia? And, why?

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As much as I loathe Putin, I'm not among those who now think Mitt Romney was right when he listed Russia as our #1 geopolitical threat. Conservative fearmongering on the subject leaves me cold. Nonetheless, this list is not a coincidence. There's something behind the scenes guiding it. But what?


One of the The Donald's capabilities is that he recognizes power. Unlike our current set of neocons who have convinced themselves that a replay of 1989 is possible, Trump has a sense of what is possible and what is not, and the USA "taking over the world" with a revenant Russia and a determined China is not only NOT in the cards, it could quite possibly be a fatal error.

Now, I believe you hate to think that there are limits on USA power, except moral ones but the USA has met its match. While the Russo-Sino axis can't do what the USA does (take over the world) it CAN destroy the west. Putin has said- openly, plainly, and repeatedly - that he WILL destroy the west if we threaten Russia and I, for one, believe him.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:27 AM

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Hillary campaign ad - "What is Donald Trump's connection to Vladimir Putin?"




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Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:41 AM

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HILLARY CLINTON'S TIES TO RUSSIA

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A recent Government Accountability Institute (GAI) report exposed additional Clinton Foundation and State Department cooperation and pay-for-play during the Russian reset.

In the Skolkovo debacle, 17 of the 28 participating companies from around the globe had either donated to the Clinton Foundation or sponsored Bill Clinton’s speeches. Skolkovo is a Russian foundation and technology park, intended to be a Russian version of Silicon Valley.

While Mrs. Clinton’s State Department pushed for the Skolkovo initiative, her own foundation was being funded by both the Russians and Americans tied to the project. The report estimates that the foundation gained between $6.5 million and $23.5 million, because the Clinton Foundation only reports donations in ranges.

The ties between Mrs. Clinton, her associates, and the Russians are blatant, but the mainstream media are more content to report on Donald Trump’s Russian contacts than those of the Clintons.


http://www.aim.org/aim-column/to-russia-with-love-trump-vs-hillary/

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Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:21 AM

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On August 1, Donald Trump gets a Full Flop from Politifact for whether he's had a relationship to Vladimir Putin.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/donald-trump/d
onald-trump-gets-full-flop-whether-hes-had-relati
/

The closeness Trump had claimed to Putin-era Russia has prompted questions from critics, including foreign policy professionals in both parties. The U.S. government sees Russia as a geopolitical rival and Putin in particular as a sometimes problematic force in international relations.

Trump’s seeming fondness for Putin has worried critics in both parties, therefore Trump completely changed his story. "Putin? Don't know him. End of Story. Let's move on." -- Trump

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Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:16 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Donald Trump, Insisting He Won’t Change His Style, Repeats Claim Obama Founded ISIS

www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-isis.html

Donald J. Trump said Thursday that he intended to stick by his unorthodox campaign style, even if it meant taking “a very, very nice long vacation” after Nov. 8.

In interviews on Thursday morning, Mr. Trump sounded an uncharacteristically fatalistic note, acknowledging the possibility he could be defeated on Election Day.

Mr. Trump pledged on CNBC to “just keep doing the same thing I’m doing right now,” adding that he was the only presidential candidate who tells things “straight” and is “a truth-teller.”

“At the end, it’s either going to work or I’m going to, you know, I’m going to have a very, very nice long vacation,” he added.

It was a rare instance in which Mr. Trump has conceded that his approach might not work.

Mr. Trump also defended his portrayal of the president as a “founder” of ISIS, despite criticism that the claim was both inaccurate and inflammatory.

In an interview with the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Mr. Trump was given an opportunity to explain that he meant the claim only theoretically. But Mr. Trump would not budge.

“You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace,” Mr. Hewitt suggested, leaving Mr. Trump an opening.

“No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do,” Mr. Trump said. “He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.”

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Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:08 AM

KPO

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Trump campaign chairman Manafort resigns over allegations of corruption and links to Russian oligarchs, now being investigated by the FBI:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump-
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Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:46 AM

SIGNYM

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Yanukovych and Manafort had the same barber - the connection was so obvious it was ridiculous.


You're kidding, right?

Yanno, you haven't even figured out the strategic effect of Trump's proposals. It's actually quite intelligent, and they attempt to reverse Obama's and Hillary's SIGNIFICANT strategic errors. So with that many clues, I'm going to let you think about it for a bit and see if you figure it out.

In the meantime, I noticed you've been unable (or unwilling) to even come up with ONE real threat that Russia poses to the USA. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755 So maybe Russia doesn't pose a threat to us at all? At least, not as far as you can think of?


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Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:36 AM

SIGNYM

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You're kidding, right? - SIGNY

You're humorless, right?
Can't tell you how little interest I have in replying to your posts, other than to tell you how little interest I have.-GSTRING



Well, you're such a parody of yourself it's a little hard to tell where your true paranoia ends and your sarcasm begins.




In the meantime, I noticed that -despite your ranting fear of "Russia" lurking in every corner of the globe- you apparently can't even come up with ONE credible Russian threat to the USA. But then, why should you? You're not even American!



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Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:20 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yanukovych and Manafort had the same barber - the connection was so obvious it was ridiculous.


You're kidding, right?

Yanno, you haven't even figured out the strategic effect of Trump's proposals. It's actually quite intelligent, and they attempt to reverse Obama's and Hillary's SIGNIFICANT strategic errors. So with that many clues, I'm going to let you think about it for a bit and see if you figure it out.




No Trump is advocating for the changes Putin prays for. He is talking about wiping out our foreign policy strategies in place since WW2. In the last year and a half with the Ukraine, Syrian and other threads, you have shown where your sympathies lie.

Since you don't know what sympathies means; harmony of or agreement( with Russia)

Your current ( I ain't a Russian troll campaign ) is hilarious.

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Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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No Trump is advocating for the changes Putin prays for.


Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.

It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against:

By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.

Up until then, for decades we (the USA) had been making nice with China while we attempted to destroy the USSR, and China had been content to profit while the Soviet Union crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal was world domination.

Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.

It's pretty hard to penetrate Chinese circumspection. Still, one message came through loud and clear: I don't know if you remember, but I posted a signal Chinese change, broadcast on CCTV (English-language Chinese TV) about three years ago, when they promised to make

"allies of friends, friends of neutrals, and to attack our mutual enemies".

I've been waiting to see that statement realized in military and foreign policy, and I see Xi Jinping now trying to make that statement come true:

China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria (1). Until now, and despite many joint military exercises, China and Russia have been content to operate in roughly parallel modes (China in the South China Sea and Djibouti and Afghanistan and Pakistan, Russia in Crimea and parts of the Mideast and India) so this is intended to go far beyond the random confluence of mutual economic interests and shared territories of concern.

Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.


*** Trump is actually trying to reverse course: By making nice with Russia and consistently attacking China, it looks as if he would once again attempt to create a wedge between the two.

I'm not sure if that's a real plan or just a reflexive attempt at survival, but it works out in favor of our long-term interests.
***

You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.

(1) I don't see China providing much "training" to Syrian troops, or much assistance to Russia. But the Chinese army is relatively undisciplined and not battle-hardened, and I suspect (possibly wrongly) that Syria represents a training opportunity for the Chinese military.

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Friday, September 23, 2016 3:29 PM

KPO

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U.S. intel officials investigate ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trum
p-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html



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Friday, September 23, 2016 3:44 PM

THGRRI


SIG is posting Russia's point of view AGAIN. There are two undeniable truths about SIG. One is she denies being someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. And two, she trolls on behalf of Russia.



She is very ignorant of actual facts because she is too caught up in propaganda.
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Friday, September 23, 2016 5:29 PM

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Quote SIG

Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.

It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against: By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.

Response Me

You quote Kissinger yet you provide no links. Besides, even if he said it Kissinger is only one voice. I am afraid I will need some prof that America threatened Russia and China militarily. When did all this happen?

Besides, much of what brought Russia and China together is the world’s response to the way they are both encroaching on their neighbors. What America is doing is in response to that. We are not threatening to go to war with them. We are trying to stop them from extending their borders through military actions and threats of military action. Russia and China are like two children who know they are wrong so they seek each other’s support.


Quote SIG

Up until then, for decades we (the USA) had been making nice with China while we attempted to destroy the USSR, and China had been content to profit while the Soviet Union crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal was world domination.

Response Me

Lol, world domination, us, that’s rich. Remember the reset SIG? The United States was trying to embrace and play nice with Russia. It was their rub with the rule of law, and Putin’s vision of reestablishing as much of the Soviet Union as possible that led to a collapse in our relationship. America tried twice to no avail to build a good working relationship with Russia since Bush.


Quote SIG

Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.

Response Me

You’re right, Russia reached out to China in a panic. They guaranteed China a great price on gas. Although since the collapse of the market I’ll bet China is kicking itself. As for their other areas of cooperation, it has to do with better trade deals in a region that is too under populated and lacking in infrastructure to be of much good for a long time to come.


Quote SIG

China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria.

Response Me

If you read this somewhere then you need to become aware of tabloid journalism. Journalism that emphasizes the sensational in an attempt to sell papers. If China did involve itself in Syria it would be to fight DASH. Not to form an alliance with Russia that didn’t include the United States.


Quote SIG

Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.

Response Me

First of all, this is nonsense. Except the part about Putin threatening to use nukes. And why would he do this? Because he is afraid and knows in an all-out assault by the United States he is toast.

Still, with you this crap is evidence of what we are doing wrong. Putin and China are not guilty of anything except defending themselves against the diabolical Americans. Isn’t that right comrade? By your own admission Putin threatens to use Nuclear weapons and still you claim we are the blowhards. Lol, that’s precious.



Quote SIG

You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.

Response Me

Sorry, just hyperventilating.


Quote SIG

(1) I don't see China providing much "training" to Syrian troops, or much assistance to Russia. But the Chinese army is relatively undisciplined and not battle-hardened, and I suspect (possibly wrongly) that Syria represents a training opportunity for the Chinese military.

Response Me

China’s military leaders consist of party loyalists who have no military experience whatsoever. They know only what we have taught them. In a conflict where critical thinking and ingenuity is needed they will drop like domino’s. Perhaps even to Russia. That should make you happy comrade.





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Saturday, September 24, 2016 2:26 AM

SIGNYM

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Why do you keep running away from this thread?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why do you keep running away from this thread?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755




I didn't, I am the last one to post there. Here's what I posted.

Well SIG, I guess you are expecting me to argue my points further against the bullshit you just posted. No, it would only beget more bullshit. And there was a reason I said I gleefully looked forward to you presenting a defense of Russia. Lol

I keep telling you that I post to expose you as someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. You posted what you did because you are not very smart. In response to my post you once again give a full throated defense of Russia. Again you attack America’s interests and assertions and promote Russia’s. And again it is obvious you lie, dismiss facts, or question what is said as though it is not a complete statement deserving of an answer from you. In these instances you just pose another question.

It’s pretty damning evidence SIG. Still, it’s nothing new. You have manufactured a defense of Russia so many times, that only others of your sort would suggest you are not constantly misrepresenting the truth when it comes to Russia.

I hope this helps others here understand your criticisms concerning America and our allies. You are anti-American. You don’t post a concern because it is a concern. Instead it is an attack against something you are jealous of. Yanno, you should try and change and replicate what America and other free nations do in Russia. It would be a nice change of pace from your constant lies and bitching.


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Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:13 PM

THX


Wishful thinking by the media. Understand this - we know the media is the enemy of normal Americans. They don't exactly hide their contempt for Americans - this is no secret. When they feign concern over some actions of someone like Trump it isn't going to be honest. They would happily guide him in to being a cucky globalist freak like Bush because that is not a threat to the Democrat candidate they back. If they say Trump is doing something that hurts *him* what they really mean is something that hurts *them.* Thanks to the alternative media the dinosaur media's ability to pull this off is waning. I would vote for Putin OVER Trump in a heartbeat. I bet he would be more popular here. Having a debate between Putin and Hillary...I'll be in my bunk.... LOL!

People are ready for someone who holds the corrupt accountable. Not more of the same corruption from Hillary who is the queen of corruption.


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Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:24 PM

THX


This didn't take long to find:

"Poll: Americans Like Vladimir Putin More Than Clinton, Trump"
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/poll-americans-like-vladimir-putin-m
ore-than-clinton-trump
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:59 PM

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THX:
Wishful thinking by the media. Understand this - we know the media is the enemy of normal Americans. They don't exactly hide their contempt for Americans - this is no secret. When they feign concern over some actions of someone like Trump it isn't going to be honest. They would happily guide him in to being a cucky globalist freak like Bush because that is not a threat to the Democrat candidate they back. If they say Trump is doing something that hurts *him* what they really mean is something that hurts *them.* Thanks to the alternative media the dinosaur media's ability to pull this off is waning. I would vote for Putin OVER Trump in a heartbeat. I bet he would be more popular here. Having a debate between Putin and Hillary...I'll be in my bunk.... LOL!

People are ready for someone who holds the corrupt accountable. Not more of the same corruption from Hillary who is the queen of corruption.



Here we go folks, another sockpuppet. The source you cite is a hard right propaganda machine. And if you believe them and think your local news and sources like the times and post are all lies then I feel sorry for you.

Did you make it as far as high school?

" The Daily Caller is a politically conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney."




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Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THX:
This didn't take long to find:

"Poll: Americans Like Vladimir Putin More Than Clinton, Trump"
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/poll-americans-like-vladimir-putin-m
ore-than-clinton-trump
/





As the eyes of the world are trained on the Winter Olympics in Sochi, America's view of the host country has hit a two-decade low.

According to a new Gallup poll, 60 percent of Americans view Russia unfavorably — the most in the 20-year history of the poll — while 63 percent feel the same way about Russian President Vladimir Putin."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-poll-plummet-145805678.html?ref=gs

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