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Survivor Library or... How to Survive Without Modern Technology

POSTED BY: 6STRINGJOKER
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Monday, September 11, 2017 9:20 AM

6STRINGJOKER


http://www.survivorlibrary.com/

This site is awesome. I found it last night and wanted to share it with you all. (Even though I thought that J0 might make the most use out of it). I would suggest that if you find anything useful here that you download it before it's taken down.


I've been helping my parents pack for a move down south. It's a long road trip, and my Stepdad wants to pretty much give everything away and start fresh. He had every "Wood" magazine ever made as well as many Woodworker's Journals and some other stuff that I didn't want eating up a ton of real estate in my house. They were in great condition, but it was seriously at least 1,000 lbs of magazines. In the end, he did find a friend that took them all off his hands, but I could tell that it was tough for him to let that go.

Except for a few missing issues, the site above had all 210 or so issues ever made of the magazine that you can download in PDF format individually. I've got them all ready when I go back for the next round of helping and I'm going to put them on his Kindle as a surprise.


There's tons of stuff like other magazines and books on topics like First Aid and Medicine, Farming, Firearms, Masonry, Dentistry, Cooking, Herbalism and just about everything a survivalist should know. Tons of information that us normal folk that aren't prepping for the zombie apocalypse could use too.


Maybe some of you could download some of that stuff to a kindle and begin a new hobby with all of that free time instead of being all paranoid about events that you have zero control over. :)


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Monday, September 11, 2017 6:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/

This site is awesome. I found it last night and wanted to share it with you all. (Even though I thought that J0 might make the most use out of it). I would suggest that if you find anything useful here that you download it before it's taken down.


I've been helping my parents pack for a move down south. It's a long road trip, and my Stepdad wants to pretty much give everything away and start fresh. He had every "Wood" magazine ever made as well as many Woodworker's Journals and some other stuff that I didn't want eating up a ton of real estate in my house. They were in great condition, but it was seriously at least 1,000 lbs of magazines. In the end, he did find a friend that took them all off his hands, but I could tell that it was tough for him to let that go.

Except for a few missing issues, the site above had all 210 or so issues ever made of the magazine that you can download in PDF format individually. I've got them all ready when I go back for the next round of helping and I'm going to put them on his Kindle as a surprise.


There's tons of stuff like other magazines and books on topics like First Aid and Medicine, Farming, Firearms, Masonry, Dentistry, Cooking, Herbalism and just about everything a survivalist should know. Tons of information that us normal folk that aren't prepping for the zombie apocalypse could use too.


Maybe some of you could download some of that stuff to a kindle and begin a new hobby with all of that free time instead of being all paranoid about events that you have zero control over. :)

Are you saying that people should save these files on their own personal storage device?
Or that people should store these files on cloud servers controlled by people who don't give a hoot about you? Locations which will become unavailable at the merest whim?

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Monday, September 11, 2017 9:07 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I don't do cloud storage for anything important. I wouldn't recommend that anybody put anything important on the cloud that wasn't backed up in at least 2 places in their personal storage.

That being said, it does have its uses. It's definitely nice to be able to get to stuff on the fly no matter where you're at with just a password in case you forget to bring a drive around with you. If you see something you like then by all means put it on the cloud. As you said though, don't cry about it when it disappears one night and you didn't back it up. :)

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Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


With that 8.1 earthquake in Mexico, that's just another reminder to us Los Angelinos (as if we needed one) to be prepared.

Thanks for the link, SIX.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:28 AM

6STRINGJOKER


No problem. Lot's of good stuff in there. Those PDFs seem to load up with ease on any more modern tablet or Kindle and are very readable. I've learned more about them in the last week than I ever have since I have no interest in them but my parents use them all the time now.

I've also got some other things like Ugly's Electrical References book and a few other things, but they were from a different site. That Ugly's book is great, and I know a few electricians that carry it around with them wherever they go.

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:31 PM

OONJERAH


Ah, nice ... it reminds me of the Hippy Era,
When self-sufficiency was all the rage.

I think most of them just talked about it
& took another hit on their doobie.

"Five Acres and Independence" is a title I recall.

The '40s, when I was a kid, we lived on half an acre.
My dad had a good job. But they farmed some on our
wee land anyway, 'cause that's how they grew up.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I was looking for instructions on water collection and cisterns. Darn but I didn't find any!

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Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:31 PM

OONJERAH


I say again, during the Hippy Era, self-sufficiency books were
quite popular ... & country folks mostly didn't need the books
which were based on what they were already doing.

Some of those books must still exist in used book stores as well
as the county library.

In this day & age ... could one offer to work for a carpenter or
a farmer to learn the trade? They'd likely laugh & say, "I'm too
busy to teach you. But feel free to watch what I do."

That had its limits for me, tho. Most table vegies are seasonal;
they sprout, grow, & produce vegies quickly, in 4-6 months. To
do that, they need full sun. But I never "grokked" the part about
full sun until I was an adult & saw that my own shaded gardens
grew at an angle, trying to reach the light. Dohh!


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Sunday, October 29, 2017 8:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Most table vegies are seasonal; they sprout, grow, & produce vegies quickly, in 4-6 months.
And that's certainly one limit to self-sufficiency! We used to can 'safe' vegetables - ie, tomatoes. The older varieties especially are good to can because they're acid enough to prevent the botulism bacteria from growing. But even then you're not totally self-sufficient - you need water, cooking heat, a canning bath, jars, rings and lids. Same for making jams and jellies, which are also botulism resistant. In addition to whatever fruit you grow, you need the equipment, water, heat, sugar, lemon juice, pectin, and paraffin - that you're not going to produce on your own turf.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:45 PM

OONJERAH


  ^ What 1Kiki said.

Thus the vast majority of us would much rather work the job,
pay the rent, buy the groceries ... & watch TV in the evening.


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Monday, October 30, 2017 12:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think when people imagine the rugged frontier farmers they imagine them completely self-sufficient. But even those people needed trade with the larger technologies around them - for plow tips, wheel hubs, bits, rings, yoke fittings ... knives, cloth, lanterns ... and so on.

The only people who were TRULY self-sufficient - and only after they had years of cultural survival knowledge taught to them by other people - were people who could make all that they needed from whatever was at hand - plants and stone. And from that they could hunt animals for food, hide for clothes, and sinew and hide to make other tools, like firestarters, slings, bows and arrows, etc.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 12:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I remember going over this with Byte. At the time, she was posting that since her family could scratch up enough veggies from a small plot of land, they were self-sufficient.

But even think about building a house .... where do you get the planks, the nails, the window-glass? And even if you can sew, where do you get the cloth? Spinning and weaving took up a helluva a lot of time "back in the day"! My guess is that you need at least 100 adults, each with their own specialties: carding/ spinning/ weaving; animal husbandry and primitive vet medicine; agronomy and basic pest management; herbals and first aid; smithing and ore refining; weapons-making; food preservation, brewing and fermenting; construction etc etc just to live at medieval-level.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, October 30, 2017 1:52 AM

OONJERAH


"to live at medieval-level" ... What about my computer?

Food for thought from the Survivor Library:
"Once the fuel runs out the cars and trucks stop do you know how to build a
carriage to put behind a horse? Do you know how to make the tackle with
which to attach the carriage TO the horse?"


After the Fall of Civ: a good topic for sci-fantasy discussions & especially for
serious survivalists. Q: Is Civilization down for the count?
Can it recover in 1,000 years or maybe 100?
We don't know; beasts of burden would be in high demand.

If you're a veteran of camping-hunting-farming, you'd go to the head of the
Class in your neighborhood since not many people are. A community's sur-
vival would depend on keeping the Outdoorsmen alive & well. Even moreso,
the Farmers in rural areas.

Answer to question above: We used to have a team of work horses. I remem-
ber how the harness was made. I'm not strong enough to work the leather
now, but could show others what to do.

Wagons could be made from wood + metallic parts salvaged from junk yards.
It'd take years for everyone to change from automobiles to wagons.
Indeed, a very valuable item would be the Gyro-Captain's mini-Copter
(Mad Max II).

Here in EDC, most of the farming is orchards. Still, there are olde family
farms out along the back roads where some families still grow their own
food. I suggest also that a good many pot farms would be converted to
grains & vegies. Not much calories in pot.

The 25-30 million people who live in CA cities ... I guess a few could
move back to the land & help their friends-relatives who still farm.
What will the vast majority of them do when the markets run out of
food completely?? Riots & mini-wars, I guess.
  Nevermind.
Getting back to the horse & wagon. Wagons can be built. Light weight,
man-powered kind. Because you have a major shortage of horses.
Wiki: "In 2005, there were about 9 million horses in the USA." Horses,
mules, oxen would be used ...
Dog teams. No dogs. Costs a small fortune to feed a dog team.

Time: If I have a mare just back from the stud farm, presumably pregnant,
her foal will drop in 11 months; I can start to train 'em at 2 or 3 years
... but I wouldn't give 'em a work load until they were 4. I'm not a gun
person; I'd have to hire an armed guard to protect my mares & foals.
  I sure hope we have enough fuel for the motorcycle until there are
plenty of horses.
  I suppose if you really want to know what it takes to get back onto
the Land, find an olde hippy or 2 who actually did it back when. Find
one who's talkative & knows some skills. Might be hard to find ... the
ones I knew only lasted about a year on the land; then came back to
town & got a job. Farming: it's best if you're born into it.
  My son-in-law bought 5 acres for independence about 15-16 years ago.
He didn't make it. See, he was tryin' to work full time & my dau working
part time ... they didn't have time to create a farm. Neither of them knew
a lot about it, & she did not share his vision, prefering a job in town.

  I have read a few After-the-fall-of-Civilization stories.
But I never tried to plot one or thought of it analytically.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:44 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.







Always have an exit plan.

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