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A long time ago, in a culture war far, far away...

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Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Jar-Jar Abram's story of how Mary Sue lost to the Space Nazis.



I had no idea there were so many reasons not to watch the new Star Wars movies. I had to look a little deeper into it when even Wishy was complaining a bit about about it and started a post with "And I am ALLLL for empowerment. But...STAR WARS."


Absolutely disgusting. (Not Wishy's quote, which I actually appreciate more now, but what Disney is doing)



Anybody who has no interest in the new films should give this a view. It's rather comical and I feel it gives a great recap of everything you "need to know" about the new Star Wars universe. (And I do mean new... they're killing everything we knew off intentionally).

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Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Can you think of other recent films with the same transition?.

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Friday, December 22, 2017 2:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ghostbusters 2016 comes to mind, only because of the ridiculous hype a mediocre movie ended up getting because of the controversy. I actually did finally watch that one out of curiosity. It wasn't a good movie, but it wasn't nearly as bad as some said it was. It was just an average flick that aped the Ghostbusters name. I don't think the movie itself did what Star Wars is doing, just because it had 4 female characters. It was the hype around it that was bad.

I can't say much more than that, although I'm pretty sure it's happening all over. I generally stay far away from reboots just because they're terrible 99% or more of the time, so I can't give any other examples.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 22, 2017 11:22 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Shouldn't Feminazis be upset there were no juicy evil roles for wymmin in TLJ, only men were evil?

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Friday, December 22, 2017 11:34 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Shouldn't Feminazis be upset there were no juicy evil roles for wymmin in TLJ, only men were evil?

Gwendoline Christie plays the evil Captain Phasma, who wears gold stormtrooper armor. Obviously the gold is a fashion statement.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 22, 2017 3:19 PM

WISHIMAY


Seriously 6ix...really, I think you have other things to worry about than women and empowerment and heroes and villains, don't you?

I mean...poor little white guys...SAID NO ONE, EVER.

ALL the characters were written badly in TLJ...women, men, even the porgs...
But you wanna use it for your agenda that only white men can be seen as heroes... whatev.

no one cares...

It just makes you look... sad.


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Saturday, December 23, 2017 4:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Shouldn't Feminazis be upset there were no juicy evil roles for wymmin in TLJ, only men were evil?



You'd think...

Captain Phasma was in The Force Awakens, not TLJ. You'd barely know she was a she since she's in costume the whole time. I don't think that was actually something the writers were very proud of.

The Space Nazi's represent the Patriarchy. La Resistance symbolizes the Matriarchy and SJW diversity crowd.


Wishy wasn't a fan of the new direction that Star Wars was taking herself, until I had an opinion on it. Seems like she likes it now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:38 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
It's just a freaking movie, right?

==============================



Not exactly.
Isn't that like saying the Bible is just a freaking book?

Books, movies, TV shows influence our society. Hopefully reality influences
us more ... I think that depends on where we put our attention.

IF the USA is the most gun crazy culture in the world, could it have
anything to do with our leisure time viewing? Westerns & War movies?
As a kid, I liked westerns best ... because I love horses more than guns.
  As an adult, I was fascinated by martial arts movies for a while. Because
it looked like they were doing the impossible.
  Probably movies that evoke strong emotions influence us the most.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Saturday, December 23, 2017 8:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
It's just a freaking movie, right?

==============================



Not exactly.
Isn't that like saying the Bible is just a freaking book?

Books, movies, TV shows influence our society. Hopefully reality influences
us more ... I think that depends on where we put our attention.

IF the USA is the most gun crazy culture in the world, could it have
anything to do with our leisure time viewing? Westerns & War movies?
As a kid, I liked westerns best ... because I love horses more than guns.
  As an adult, I was fascinated by martial arts movies for a while. Because
it looked like they were doing the impossible.
  Probably movies that evoke strong emotions influence us the most.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...



Thanks OONJ. I was actually thinking along the same lines, but I didn't come up with as good of an analogy as your Bible one.

I also didn't really want to respond because I'm not very emotionally invested in it either. Star Wars did mean a lot to me when I was a kid, but as I've said in the Other Sci Fi Series thread here several times, I'm not at all interested in seeing the new movies and I never actually saw the entire prequel trilogy even because it was so bad.

But, thanks for your Bible reference. Star Wars isn't "just a movie" and I'm not really a fan of great stories being co-opted for political agendas.

Even Wishy was complaining about the new Star Wars in the other forum, but when I have an opinion on it she has to take the extreme and opposite side regardless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 23, 2017 9:06 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


The Space Nazi's represent the Patriarchy. La Resistance symbolizes the Matriarchy and SJW diversity crowd.


Wishy wasn't a fan of the new direction that Star Wars was taking herself, until I had an opinion on it. Seems like she likes it now.




Since you can't pay attention, here's what my first post said about the movie..


"Sorry, I didn't get it. It wasn't bad. It WAS flippant and at times visually interesting, but I didn't feel like it had a point -for the universe or for the fandom. "

Basically, it was enough to keep my attention, and it was good surprising in some ways and bad surprising in some ways. Neither really had anything to do with gender as THEY WERE ALL MADE UP CHARACTERS.

Like G says... It IS just a movie. I was never under the delusion that the "Force" actually exists, although I like the concept.

Some people LOVED the movie...some people hated it. I don't think you get to have an opinion because you haven't even seen it, and you are such a pussy you are afraid some woman somewhere might feel empowered and not worship a penis. *gasp. You are a special kind of pathetic.





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Saturday, December 23, 2017 9:14 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Isn't that like saying the Bible is just a freaking book?




The bible IS just a book to me. An illogical stone age sheepherders fairy tale book, that the greedy use for their own purposes...TO TAKE YER MONEY AND MOLEST YER KIDS!!!

Here's who Jesus most likely was...A guy who got pissed off that moneychangers were overrunning his church and did something about it.

Oh, and 6ix, it says he worshipped a god who was both genders...Turns out Jesus was pretty ok with the LGBTQ community.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3985150/Is-written-ment
ion-Jesus-2-000-year-old-lead-tablets-remote-cave-genuine-claim-researchers.html



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Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:53 AM

OONJERAH


Christianity is the only religion that was offered to me growing up.
So I am not familiar with the others. ... It's real easy to be offended by someone
else's religion if they're tryin' to convert me.
Alternatives to religion: atheism, agnosticism, calm indifference.

Buddhism, on the other hand. I've been told that this is a philosophy, not a religion.
  Maybe it's a good way to nurture oneself.

Siddhartha is a novel by Hermann Hesse that deals with the spiritual journey of
self-discovery of a man named Siddhartha during the time of the Gautama Buddha.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...


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Sunday, December 24, 2017 7:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

Some people LOVED the movie...some people hated it.



I'm sure that's the case.

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I don't think you get to have an opinion because you haven't even seen it,


That's bullshit. That's like saying you can't have an opinion on politics if you make the choice not to vote.

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and you are such a pussy you are afraid some woman somewhere might feel empowered and not worship a penis. *gasp. You are a special kind of pathetic.



Seriously bitch. WTF are you smoking?

I don't know how I destroyed your sad little world while I was drinking, but whatever I did it must have been epic for you to still be a CAPITAL "C" to me with every single post a year into my sobriety.

Everybody else here can see that I'm making my best effort not to get into bitch fits with you, but you make it really fucking hard.

And not in the good way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
It's just a freaking movie, right?

==============================



Not exactly.
Isn't that like saying the Bible is just a freaking book?



Not really. One is made expressly for entertainment and uses an obvious fictional world for the story telling. The other one - we are told - is real and in it we will find the stories that shape how we behave in the world and what practices should become our core beliefs. So kinda on the opposite ends of the story telling spectrum.




Are you kidding me? It was obviously a metaphor.

"Dude Where's My Car" was just a movie. Star Wars has been a pretty large part of pop culture for 4 freakin' decades now.

Disney buys it, completely destroys all cannon outside of the 6 movies, then co-opts it for a political agenda. Fuck Star Wars. Fuck Disney.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and 6ix, it says he worshipped a god who was both genders...Turns out Jesus was pretty ok with the LGBTQ community.



Good for Jesus. You seem to know more about it than I do. I'm one of the least religious people on this board, I'm sure.

Atheists suck though. Never met a person who goes out of their way to tell other people they're an Atheist that wasn't a bitch or an asshole.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Some people LOVED the movie...some people hated it.


I'm sure that's the case.
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I don't think you get to have an opinion because you haven't even seen it,

That's bullshit. That's like saying you can't have an opinion on politics if you make the choice not to vote.
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and you are such a pussy you are afraid some woman somewhere might feel empowered and not worship a penis. *gasp. You are a special kind of pathetic.


Seriously bitch. WTF are you smoking?

I don't know how I destroyed your sad little world while I was drinking, but whatever I did it must have been epic for you to still be a CAPITAL "C" to me with every single post a year into my sobriety.

Everybody else here can see that I'm making my best effort not to get into bitch fits with you, but you make it really fucking hard.

And not in the good way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

We all roll our eyes at her posts. She hasn't had a penis in her bung for over an hour, so she has an itch she can't scratch.

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:23 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Everybody else here can see that I'm making my best effort not to get into bitch fits with you, but you make it really fucking hard.




EVERYONE else here can see that you get back what you give, troll. It's been pointed out to you several times, but you are really hardheaded.

As long as you blather on about SJW, I will ALWAYS be there to call you a narcissistic douche.









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Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

We all roll our eyes at her posts. She hasn't had a penis in her bung for over an hour, so she has an itch she can't scratch.



AT least my spouse has a functioning dick. You couldn't find yours with the Hubble Telescope. I doubt seriously anyone ever has.

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Monday, December 25, 2017 3:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Merry Christmas Wishy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 25, 2017 7:01 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Merry Christmas Wishy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, and may she receive all the gifts she deserves.

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Monday, December 25, 2017 8:27 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Shouldn't Feminazis be upset there were no juicy evil roles for wymmin in TLJ, only men were evil?



You'd think...

Captain Phasma was in The Force Awakens, not TLJ. You'd barely know she was a she since she's in costume the whole time. I don't think that was actually something the writers were very proud of.

You are mistaken. Captain Phasma was in The Last Jedi and the writer can be very proud of making her completely evil with only a few well-chosen words: “Execution by blaster is too good for them. Let’s make this hurt.” Rose and Finn are to be cut into bloody chunks! “On my command.” Is this the end of Rose and Finn? The Force tells me that there will be an interruption to the execution, but you'll have to see the movie to find out what it is. It's both tremendous and stupendous!
http://isthismoviesuitable.com/2017/12/16/star-wars-the-last-jedi/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 25, 2017 10:14 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Shouldn't Feminazis be upset there were no juicy evil roles for wymmin in TLJ, only men were evil?


You'd think...

Captain Phasma was in The Force Awakens, not TLJ. You'd barely know she was a she since she's in costume the whole time. I don't think that was actually something the writers were very proud of.

The Space Nazi's represent the Patriarchy. La Resistance symbolizes the Matriarchy and SJW diversity crowd.

Why would the Rebellion fighting for freedom and liberty symbolize the despotic Tyrannical SJW diversity crowd?
That makes no sense.

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Monday, December 25, 2017 10:29 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Why would the Rebellion fighting for freedom and liberty symbolize the despotic Tyrannical SJW diversity crowd?
That makes no sense.

In your mind the words Social Justice Warrior (SJW) equal "despotic Tyrannical"? Originally the difference was between social justice warriors as a kind of keyboard activist in contrast to a social justice worker. Then SJW became a pejorative used by nigger haters who think white people are better than niggers. They couldn't say "nigger lover" because of, you know, unfair accusations of racism, so instead they started using SJW. That makes sense.

www.lifewire.com/what-does-sjw-mean-4150132

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Monday, December 25, 2017 3:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Why would the Rebellion fighting for freedom and liberty symbolize the despotic Tyrannical SJW diversity crowd?
That makes no sense.

In your mind the words Social Justice Warrior (SJW) equal "despotic Tyrannical"? Originally the difference was between social justice warriors as a kind of keyboard activist in contrast to a social justice worker.
That makes sense.

www.lifewire.com/what-does-sjw-mean-4150132

I was not aware racists of traditional bias were users of the SJW term.
Are you saying SJWs never claimed the title for themselves?
Those are who seem the most despotic and Tyrannical.

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Tuesday, December 26, 2017 7:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... no. I've heard the word SJW used very often in the last year and a half or so, and never have I once heard it used as a pejorative for black people. I see Second has no problem throwing around the real racist word like it was nothing though. That's either the good 'ole Texas oil Tycoon in his blood, or he's black himself so it's okay.

That's not to say it isn't used to describe some black people, but much more often than not, the term isn't even applied to black people at all. It's almost exclusively used, at least as I've seen it, for over-privileged white college kids who suffer from a guilt complex and project their radical leftist beliefs onto other people. Like the creators of the new Star Wars movies.


Essentially saying "n*** haters" here is just another way for Second, or the author of that article, to call people who don't agree with them Nazis.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:47 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL... no. I've heard the word SJW used very often in the last year and a half or so, and never have I once heard it used as a pejorative for black people. I see Second has no problem throwing around the real racist word like it was nothing though. That's either the good 'ole Texas oil Tycoon in his blood, or he's black himself so it's okay.

That's not to say it isn't used to describe some black people, but much more often than not, the term isn't even applied to black people at all. It's almost exclusively used, at least as I've seen it, for over-privileged white college kids who suffer from a guilt complex and project their radical leftist beliefs onto other people. Like the creators of the new Star Wars movies.

That is what I had understood.
Those are the tyrannical despotic, they just don't have as much power and influence as they desire - yet.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

Jack, I've been known to identify as an atheist and I will argue with religious people. But for the most part I do not degrade someone's faith as that is their business and I expect the same in return. Not to have Christianity or another faith thrown in my face.



I don't like hearing anybody tell me what they do or don't believe in, period.

To me, thinking about it is a personal thing. It's interesting to contemplate, but until I'm dead I'm not going to know the answer. Anybody who says they do either way is full of shit and pretty damn conceited.

At least with religious people, I get the draw. They're fooling themselves into believing without a doubt but it's because they want to believe that something is better than this, and maybe they try to live just a little bit better out of fear that there are consequences to their actions. I still have no desire to talk to them about it though.

Whenever somebody goes on and on about how they're an atheist I just tune them out. I have no desire to speak to somebody about how they have all the answers. They always seem so smug when they talk about it too, like they're smarter than everybody else or they somehow have access to some big secret that they don't know shit about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:21 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Jack, I've known some pretty religious people over the years. I just throw science back at them and watch them try to scramble their way out of it. They can't of course.

It's fun to me and maybe I just like to argue with them.



I can relate to that. In my youth, I loved a good argument re: Religious faith
vs. Logical facts. It made me feel smart.

My Mom was always so proud of our ancestor's brother, John Clarke, who founded
the First Baptist church in America, Rhode Island colony. My Dad, OTOH, resented
churches for wanting a tithe.

Somewhere along the line, I came to this: Religion doesn't have much, if anything,
to do with God; it pretends it does. I seriously doubt that God is interested in our
religions.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Jack, I've known some pretty religious people over the years. I just throw science back at them and watch them try to scramble their way out of it. They can't of course.

It's fun to me and maybe I just like to argue with them.



We've disagreed here or there, but you've never struck me as the smug know-it-all type. I don't see any problem with watching somebody disprove stories in the Bible or any other religious text with science. I watch a chemist on YouTube called Thunderfoot who does that all the time. I find it quite amusing... but only when I'm in the mood for it.

The stories are ridiculous, and I don't believe that they're meant to be taken literally. Maybe they were at one time. A lot of people did, and still do, that's for sure. My grandma just wrote a "back check" to her church for $900 tithe since May when she had her hip surgery. She's on a very tight fixed income. I think it's bullshit and it makes me mad as hell that the church will take that money from her and nobody came to visit her except for the Pastor 1 time. I'm not mad at her... It makes her feel good.

I never knew you identified as an atheist until now. That's a good thing. It means that it's not some huge part of your identity like it is with some people I know who just can't seem to shut up about it. I suspect that I wouldn't really like Thunderfoot in real life if he wasn't on the other side of a computer screen and I couldn't just shut him off whenever I wanted to.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

Never felt the need to be smug. I know what I know and if people can't handle that I may know more than them. Well, that is their problem and not mine.



lol, well.... careful. That sounded awful smug.

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As I said to Oonj, I tried on religion as a child because a lady that looked after me from time to time was religious. So I had to go to church with her. But by the time I was around 8 or 9 years old I didn't see the point.

My father always let my brother and I come to our own conclusions about things and he supported us in whatever our decisions were. He grew up with a fair bit of religiousness because of his parents. Now, you have to remember that I am talking about the late 1900s. So it was a completely different world and mindset. His experience would have been one of the Protestant ones as his father was Scottish and his mother was raised Catholic in a residential school in the US.



You can know everything that we currently know about science and that doesn't amount to knowing anything about the universe or the bigger picture is all I'm saying.

That's what bothers me about atheists. They think they have all the answers they can't possibly have, which generally means they think they're know it alls. In trying so hard to distance themselves from religion and religious types, they've essentially made a religion of their own, sans a god.... or quite possibly with their almost omniscient belief in their own knowledge, they've made themselves the god of their own little world.

I'm agnostic. I'll talk about it if I'm in the mood to talk about it, which is pretty rare.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 29, 2017 7:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I didn't mean it to be. I suppose that I should have qualified it with "on certain subjects"



Nah... you're good. I know full well things don't come off the way we intended on the internet sometimes. I look for patterns when speaking with somebody, and you don't make it a habit to sound smug. ;)



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If you know science then you know something about the universe.


Well... I suppose so. I don't kid when I say that I give everything these days about 50/50 and that we might be living in some sort of Matrix-type simulation or this is all somebodies dream... or maybe everything is just as boring as it seems and we are completely alone in our single universe without a god.

I know it annoys some people, but I'm not just going to believe what somebody says is true because "science", and they've read a few more books than I have.

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Don't think I've ever said I have all the answers. In fact I'm fairly certain that I don't have all the answers that is.


The older I get the more I realize I don't have any of the answers... and that's really not such a bad thing. When I was 20 years old I thought I did. Life's a lot easier when you just learn to let go and let the wind blow you where it may.

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I know my science and that just makes me more curious about things. I've seen ghosts of people that I've known and loved. Came close to shaking off this mortal coil and the only thing that did was leave me with a deeper understanding of myself sort of.



I've had a few paranormal encounters myself, but that was many many years ago. Sometimes I really wish something like that would happen again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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