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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:32 AM

THGRRI


Some here work to destroy America's brand around the world. Two of them are Russian trolls, kiki and sig. They have been waging war on our democratic institutions since I've been posting here. Then there are those here who are two stupid to understand their points of views do the same. That the lower our brand is respected around the world, the worse it is for them personally.

Without a good and respected brand name America loses. Trump is destroying the American brand both here and abroad. An example of how, is by Trumps gutting our State Department who sells our brand and pushes our interests abroad. Another is through his racists stances. Most of the world is not white and they take his racism personally.



NEW YORK, Jan. 21, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- The 2018 Edelman Trust Barometer reveals that trust in the U.S. has suffered the largest-ever-recorded drop in the survey's history among the general population. Trust among the general population fell nine points to 43, placing it in the lower quarter of the 28-country Trust Index. Trust among the informed public in the U.S. imploded, plunging 23 points to 45, making it now the lowest of the 28 countries surveyed, below Russia and South Africa.

The collapse of trust in the U.S. is driven by a staggering lack of faith in government, which fell 14 points to 33 percent among the general population, and 30 points to 33 percent among the informed public. The remaining institutions of business, media and NGOs also experienced declines of 10 to 20 points. These decreases have all but eliminated last year's 21-point trust gap between the general population and informed public in the U.S.

"The United States is enduring an unprecedented crisis of trust," said Richard Edelman, president and CEO of Edelman. "This is the first time that a massive drop in trust has not been linked to a pressing economic issue or catastrophe like the Fukushima nuclear disaster. In fact, it's the ultimate irony that it's happening at a time of prosperity, with the stock market and employment rates in the U.S. at record highs. The root cause of this fall is the lack of objective facts and rational discourse."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2018-edelman-trust-barometer-reveals-03
0000259.html

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Some here work to destroy America's brand around the world. Two of them are Russian trolls, kiki and sig. They have been waging war on our democratic institutions since I've been posting here. Then there are those here who are two stupid to understand their points of views do the same. That the lower our brand is respected around the world, the worse it is for them personally.

Without a good and respected brand name America loses. Trump is destroying the American brand both here and abroad. An example of how, is by Trumps gutting our State Department who sells our brand and pushes our interests abroad. Another is through his racists stances. Most of the world is not white and they take his racism personally.



Too true.

I found his recent whine, "we should get more people from Norway" so funny because those people probably wouldn't set foot in this country because of him:

"no one from Norway wants to come to this shithole country. They have healthcare for all, family leave, free education and real gun control."

"Of course people from #Norway would love to move to a country where people are far more likely to be shot, live in poverty, get no healthcare because they’re poor, get no paid parental leave or subsidized daycare and see fewer women in political power. "

"Funny how Norway isn't a "shithole country" despite embracing everything Trump supposedly abhors: high taxes, big government, liberal social values, something resembling socialism."

"My parents both came from Norway, god rest their souls.
If they were alive today, they would know better.
They'd have stayed in Norway, or maybe have chosen a less SHITHOLE country.
Like Zimbabwe."

"Trump: "Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? Why not people from Norway?"

Norwegians: "Why would we move to a country with a shithole President?""

==============================



Dummy number one chuckled about it. Proved my point didn't he. He's just to stupid and uneducated to understand any of this.


T

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Think of all the countries where people are NOT yearning to come to the US. Norway, of course, Sweden, Finland, England, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland ... even financially strapped Spain, Italy, and Greece. And let's not forget that even citizens of the Baltic group - Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Poland - as threatened as we claim they are - seem unwilling to flee to the US. Other notable countries with people NOT fleeing to the US are Hungary and Ukraine. Not a lot of South Asians or Asians are fleeing to the US, either.

I guess they're not desperate enough to come here.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:41 PM

WISHIMAY


People didn't come to this country originally because it was "the greatest" to begin with...They came here because we had the room and there was opportunity.

Now they come here to open gas stations and Subways..

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 8:49 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Think of all the countries where people are NOT yearning to come to the US. Norway, of course, Sweden, Finland, England, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland ... even financially strapped Spain, Italy, and Greece. And let's not forget that even citizens of the Baltic group - Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Poland - as threatened as we claim they are - seem unwilling to flee to the US. Other notable countries with people NOT fleeing to the US are Hungary and Ukraine. Not a lot of South Asians or Asians are fleeing to the US, either.

I guess they're not desperate enough to come here.

Famous emigrants came to America not because it was attractive, but because their home country repulsed them. Einstein and Trump’s grandpa for two examples.

Einstein fled Nazis: "I made one great mistake in my life — when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made; but there was some justification — the danger that the Germans would make them ..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

When Donald Trump's German grandfather was ordered by a royal decree to leave the country and never return, he wrote a letter pleading the prince regent of Bavaria not to deport him.

Friedrich Trump wrote the letter in 1905 when he returned to Germany with his wife and daughter after having emigrated to the US.

German authorities had given him eight weeks to leave and denied him repatriation because he failed to complete his mandatory military service and to register his initial emigration to the US 20 years earlier.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-gra
ndfather-germany-letter-deportation-us-bavaria-dreamers-a7903071.html


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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 8:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think the OP should have been posted in the Jokes thread.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'd never be able to survive on what I make if I were paying the taxes up there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But your teeth would be done - for free.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So anyway THUGGER - you seem to be running away from questions you can't answer. Here they are - AGAIN:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60433&p=10


Quote:

Wow, THUGGER, you really DO have a man-crush on Putin!

Yanno, *I* certainly don't bring him up - at all. And yet, there you are, dragging him in to every single conversation that's about pretty much everything else. I'm sure if we were discussing how blue the sky is, you'd be bringing up ... Putin.

Do you think you could possibly NOT mention him for an entire thread, if the thread's not about Putin? Or are you too obsessed?



Can you answer the question THUGGER?

Oh, and btw, how can I be a Putin troll when I NEVER POST ABOUT PUTIN? And how can I be a Russian troll WHEN I NEVER POST ABOUT RUSSIA?

YOU, OTOH. What a crush YOU have on him! And what a love YOU have for Mother Russia!




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When I saw the topic, I thought ...Hey, is THUGR posting about the tariffs that Trump slapped on Chinese solar panels and S Korean washer/dryers, the possibility of trade war with China and its consequences for the USA and the dollar? Is he going to discuss something interesting and significant?

But then I read THUGR's post and I realized that THUGR was doing the only things that THUGR knows how to do: Endlessly slag people that he doesn't know in order to make pointless points that even HE can't explain.

Here's an example: THUGR, what IS the American "brand"? What are (were) we known for that makes (made) us such a respected nation? I'll bet he can't explain that, and neither can GSTRING. But this thread is so boring, I doubt I'll come back to check, so ...

Carry on.

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America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I didn't know that! But assisted living, rehab, nursing home, and hospice are - right?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Part of me wants to say that it's a crime that Dental isn't covered like any other medical procedure, but then again, I'm against insurance in the first place because that's what made the prices for medical care skyrocket in the first place.

Sure, if you have the money to pay for it, Dental care is a huge bargain relatively speaking to traditional medical care. It's not even remotely in the same ballpark. But unless I had a spare $60,000 lying around I'd never be able to afford the laser tratments, cadaver bone grafts and implants. Still though... knocking out my teeth and getting a good set of dentures isn't all that expensive at around $3,000-$4,000. If Dental care were covered under traditional medical care, you could bet your ass that would be closer to $100,000 by now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:26 AM

THGRRI


I suggest many of you go back and reread the first post here. I understand why some didn't understand. Some never read so I get why they wouldn't. And some got distracted by others ( the trolls mentioned ) and led astray.

I realize threads are at times hijacked and change topic, but some here didn't read what was posted? It's about the damage that is being done on a monumental scale to this country. What that means, and how important it is to stop.

It's certainly not about health care or nursing homes. Sig is so stupid she can't comprehend that I posted the research proving my point. No surprise there. I'll repost the last paragraph for you sig.



"The United States is enduring an unprecedented crisis of trust," said Richard Edelman, president and CEO of Edelman. "This is the first time that a massive drop in trust has not been linked to a pressing economic issue or catastrophe like the Fukushima nuclear disaster. In fact, it's the ultimate irony that it's happening at a time of prosperity, with the stock market and employment rates in the U.S. at record highs. The root cause of this fall is the lack of objective facts and rational discourse."

T

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your original post is a joke, T.

Don't get so frustrated when people post over you man. It happens all the time because nobody takes you seriously anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... I think it's funny that you quote a story that says this lack of trust is happening during times of prosperity. There is no prosperity for a majority of Americans, but the news keeps telling us that there is.

Maybe they should stop doing that and we'll take them seriously too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Did anybody else notice this? The original article that T linked can be found here: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2018-edelman-trust-barometer-
reveals-record-breaking-drop-in-trust-in-the-us-300585510.html


Quote:

For the first time media is the least trusted institution globally. In 22 of the 28 countries surveyed it is now distrusted. The demise of confidence in the Fourth Estate is driven primarily by a significant drop in trust in platforms, notably search engines and social media. Sixty-three percent of respondents say they do not know how to tell good journalism from rumor or falsehoods or if a piece of news was produced by a respected media organization. The lack of faith in media has also led to an inability to identify the truth (59 percent), trust government leaders (56 percent) and trust business (42 percent).


Maybe if the least-trusted institution in America and globally wasn't lying all the time and bashing America trust in the US would be higher.

What is the American MSM doing wrong? China's media lies to them all the time, but according to this article China ranks at the top of this particular trust scale.




Also of note: Don't read this as T intended it as if the global trust in America is down. The article is specifically speaking about trust in government by citizens of that government. It is in no way saying that people the world over trust China's government more than they trust the US government.

Where do they get these numbers anyhow? If it's China's government and news that is reporting those high numbers it's all a bunch of bullshit anyway.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:21 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Brand USA is Make America Great Again. Call it nationalism. The more nationalistic a country is, the worse the poor are doing relative to the rich.

In more unequal countries, lower-class citizens tend to have lower status in society. Seeking improved status, they grasp for a grander identity. Nationalism is a grander identity. Low redistribution tends to make identifying with the lower class less appealing and can encourage identification with the nation.

This gives wealthy elites a powerful incentive to stoke nationalism — to hype national threats in order to diffuse domestic claims for more redistribution.

All of this seems eerily resonant with Trump’s whole Make America Great Again gestalt, which calls forth heightened nationalism alongside threats from terrorism and immigration, and then sneaks in generous tax cuts for the rich. When citizens “identify with a given group, they want to be similar to typical members of that group: from wearing the group’s characteristic clothes and symbols to imitating typical group behavior and expressing typical group attitudes.” Think of all those MAGA hats.

The GOP has long been the party of nationalism and tax cuts for the 1 percent.

There is an index that goes from 0 (least nationalistic) to 1 (most nationalistic). Overall, Clinton voters averaged 0.63 on the scale; Trump voters averaged 0.90. In short, Trump voters were more nationalistic than Clinton voters.

94 percent of Clinton voters wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy, while only 42 percent of Trump voters wanted to do so. The gap between Clinton and Trump voters was 52 percent.

Wittingly or not, Trump’s yoking of nationalistic rhetoric and less redistribution fits a larger political pattern, one with potentially powerful psychological underpinnings.

www.vox.com/polyarchy/2018/1/23/16924572/nationalism-income-redistribu
tion

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

This gives wealthy elites a powerful incentive to stoke nationalism — to hype national threats in order to diffuse domestic claims for more redistribution. - SECOND
Yep! Thank you for explaining why Obama did what he did, sticking his (our) nose into Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine, France, Libya, and a host of other nations. Because, hell, wealth inequality reached never-seen-before heights under Obama.

Thanks for the hope, man! Now where's my change?

Really, SECOND, your partisanship is blinding you to facts. The ordinary American got screwed under Obama.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:10 PM

THGRRI


Nationalism is being pushed by Trump and the far right. Anyone siding with Trump, these republicans and their polices, is guilty of promoting nationalism.


T

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Nationalism is being pushed by Trump and the far right. Anyone siding with Trump, these republicans and their polices, is guilty of promoting nationalism.


OMG, NATIONALISM!


DOOD, isn't that what YOU'RE promoting? "Brand USA"?

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America is an oligarchy
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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:57 PM

THGRRI


Nope, I'm not sig. Not in the way the uneducated think when they think of nationalism.

Read it again. Populism exists in the minds of the ignorant. Like Trump, his supporters and russian trolls.
T

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 6:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're the most educated idiot I know T.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR: If you wanted to say "populism", you shoulda said "populism".

To get back to "brand USA", something happened today in the realm of balance of trade and financialism, aside form Trump slapping tariffs on solar panels and washing machines, and it's what Steve Mnuchin said about the dollar:

Quote:

A weaker dollar is good for the US, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin says

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the U.S. is open for business and welcomed a weaker dollar, saying that it would benefit the country.

Speaking at a press conference at the World Economic Forum in Davos Wednesday, he made a bid for investment into the U.S., saying the government was committed to growth of 3 percent or higher.

"Obviously a weaker dollar is good for us as it relates to trade and opportunities," Mnuchin told reporters in Davos, according to Bloomberg, adding that the currency's short term value is "not a concern of ours at all."

"Longer term, the strength of the dollar is a reflection of the strength of the U.S. economy and the fact that it is and will continue to be the primary currency in terms of the reserve currency," he said.

MORE AT https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/a-weaker-dollar-is-good-for-the-us-tre
asury-secretary-mnuchin-says.html


Ordinarily, I agree. However, I just heard an interpretation from a trader named Greg Mannarino, who pointed out that this move by the USA could result in CURRENCY WARS, in which various nations compete with each other for the lowest currency in order to win the export markets.

Gold popped $24 (base about $1340) on the news. Hmm... interesting.

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America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR:

Trust is for babies and young children.
Why?
Because they have no choice: They don't know any better, and even if they did they couldn't DO anything about their situation, they HAVE to trust those who're taking care of them, for better or for worse.

Once you become an adult, "trust" should go out the window, and only be granted to those who've proved themselves worthy.

What the article that you posted (misleadingly summarized as having to do with "worldwide" trust} is that people in the USA don't "trust" their government or the media like they used to.

Well, they shouldn't. The only institutions which are disadvantaged by lack of trust are those which are not trustworthy to being with. "Trust" allows the corrupt to prosper. Transparency and doubt allow the honest to shine..

So let's separate out the sheep from the goats. "Trust but verify" is a good watchword.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:37 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THUGR: If you wanted to say "populism", you shoulda said "populism".




Nationalism is patriotism; the idea of supporting one's country and culture.

Key word being culture sig. Protecting ones culture from changing or morphing into something else. All the racists and bigoted statements by Trump are exploiting these emotions across the country and even the world.


Populism is (philosophy) a (political) doctrine or philosophy that proposes that the rights and powers of ordinary people are exploited by a privileged elite, and supports their struggle to overcome this.

This is the form of doctrine Trump ran on and represents the Bannon (far right) wing of the party. The message is simple and excludes any of the intricacies (the character of something that has many aspects or parts arranged together in a particularly complex or artful way), of an issue or policy. It's fodder for the stupid and uneducated.

Both sig, both play a large part in filling the warped and uneducated minds with dribble. It's spread by fake news, propaganda outlets and trolls like you.




T

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