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Red Sparrow

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Monday, March 12, 2018 04:13
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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Wow. Just wow.
I don't know what I can say without spoiling parts.

I was struck by the layers of dialogue, the topography of verbal intercourse, the levels of interchange. This part reminded me if Wind River.
The intrigue and pacing, cadence reminded me of Schindler's List. Far more sophisticated than Bourne or Bond. More cerebral than Atomic Blonde.

If you are in need of a CGI fix, skip this. If you need nonstop action, don't bother. There is Violence, no doubt about it.
I had seen the trailers, had an idea what to expect and what it was about, but I severely underestimated.

I highly recommend if you like good film.
Sometimes I wondered what would happen next, and by the end I was left in the dust, I should have been more alert for this viewing.

The Primary obstacle for my suspension of disbelief was how smart this character is.

At first I was unsure if Lawrence was doing well with the role, but did come to realize that she was fully immersed in the character - she is golden here. Although I've likely seen most of her films, I'm not sure I've seen a better performance from her. I also usually enjoy Ciaran Hinds' work, so he was a bonus for me here. All if the cast did well.

Thought I would enjoy Death Wish more tonight, but Red Sparrow turns out to be the first film this year that I expect to be in my top 10 for the year.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I was going to see it opening weekend, but I was distracted by a small family issue. Going to go this weekend coming. Love JLaw, plus it just looks good.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know what I can say without spoiling parts.

I was struck by the layers of dialogue, the topography of verbal intercourse, the levels of interchange. This part reminded me if Wind River.
The intrigue and pacing, cadence reminded me of Schindler's List. Far more sophisticated than Bourne or Bond.

If you are in need of a CGI fix, skip this. If you need nonstop action, don't bother. There is Violence, no doubt about it.
I had seen the trailers, had an idea what to expect and what it was about, but I severely underestimated.

I highly recommend if you like good film.
Sometimes I wondered what would happen next, and by the end I was left in the dust, I should have been more alert for this viewing.

The Primary obstacle for my suspension of disbelief was how smart this character is.



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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 4:48 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I was going to see it opening weekend, but I was distracted by a small family issue. Going to go this weekend coming. Love JLaw, plus it just looks good.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know what I can say without spoiling parts.

I was struck by the layers of dialogue, the topography of verbal intercourse, the levels of interchange. This part reminded me if Wind River.
The intrigue and pacing, cadence reminded me of Schindler's List. Far more sophisticated than Bourne or Bond.

If you are in need of a CGI fix, skip this. If you need nonstop action, don't bother. There is Violence, no doubt about it.
I had seen the trailers, had an idea what to expect and what it was about, but I severely underestimated.

I highly recommend if you like good film.
Sometimes I wondered what would happen next, and by the end I was left in the dust, I should have been more alert for this viewing.

The Primary obstacle for my suspension of disbelief was how smart this character is.



Better than it looks.
Soak in the dialogue, pay attention to everything she says. Tell us if you are able to figure out what's going to happen before it does - I could not.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Forgot to mention:
Although Lawrence has largely avoided outright nudity before, she has several scenes of full nudity here.
If she was just waiting for the most worthwhile and contextual role for crossing this threshold, she certainly selected the right vehicle. Her other films would have been gratuitous, this is not - the scenes would have been sub-par otherwise.

Also, I would likely need to see it again to find all of the subtleties of the story and plot.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:12 PM

MOOSE


Full nudity? Heck, why didn't you say so from the beginning? I'm there.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Full nudity? Heck, why didn't you say so from the beginning? I'm there.

If that's what you're going for, you'd be better served to wait for DVD. The full nudity has a flurry of action, and the sex scenes have little nudity.


Although, now that I think about it, they might do like Sin City 2 and not use the same explicit Cuts when going from Cinema to DVD.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS


I agree with your take on the dialogue; smart, measured, gripping (especially the underlying theme; which was deception, manipulation and total submission to the state). To me, the spectre of death hung heavy in the film's undertones. I always had the feeling that Putin was lurking behind every door, or listening in in some back room. I especially liked the training sequence, not so much for the nudity, but for the idealog of the trainers and their obssession with beating "the Americans." One small problem: how is it that she left the training facility after just a few months training (remember she left early) and was an expert spy. The best in the class; and this after her career as a ballerina.

Lawrence is golden here, but the story had a few problems. So this was not her fault. For one, the uncle was too obvious as a villian. We knew that she would get even with him, but the big question was how. The gratuitous sex scenes were awkward, to say the least; and one was downright unecessary...the one between her and Edgerton. It just didn't fit the storyline of his character. I felt their relationship was forced and kind of matter-of-fact. That's not to say that both Edgerton and JLaw weren't convincing, it's just that those two characters should not have hooked up, plus there was no build up. There were even some awkward lines about her falling for "the American." How quaint!

I might be a little nitpicky, but that tends to slow down the overall story, whenever something happens that doesn't seem to fit the story/plot. I do admit though that the rest was quite good, especially the tension with JLaw's character - was she or wasn't she telling the Americans the truth.
That was well done. The ending was predictable, it was just showing how she did it. The Jeremy Irons character WAS a surprise, and it was cleverly done.

I don't know about this one. I felt kind of meh at the end, it reminded me of the Ipcress File (with a young Michael Caine), a spy thriller of the 60s.
But I liked the tension, and that you never knew which way this film was going. It's based on a book written by a former CIA agent, Jason Matthews.
I may read the book, or books, it's a series.


SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I was going to see it opening weekend, but I was distracted by a small family issue. Going to go this weekend coming. Love JLaw, plus it just looks good.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know what I can say without spoiling parts.

I was struck by the layers of dialogue, the topography of verbal intercourse, the levels of interchange. This part reminded me if Wind River.
The intrigue and pacing, cadence reminded me of Schindler's List. Far more sophisticated than Bourne or Bond.

If you are in need of a CGI fix, skip this. If you need nonstop action, don't bother. There is Violence, no doubt about it.
I had seen the trailers, had an idea what to expect and what it was about, but I severely underestimated.

I highly recommend if you like good film.
Sometimes I wondered what would happen next, and by the end I was left in the dust, I should have been more alert for this viewing.

The Primary obstacle for my suspension of disbelief was how smart this character is.



Better than it looks.
Soak in the dialogue, pay attention to everything she says. Tell us if you are able to figure out what's going to happen before it does - I could not.


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Monday, March 12, 2018 4:13 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS....SPOILERS


I agree with your take on the dialogue; smart, measured, gripping (especially the underlying theme; which was deception, manipulation and total submission to the state). To me, the spectre of death hung heavy in the film's undertones. I always had the feeling that Putin was lurking behind every door, or listening in in some back room. I especially liked the training sequence, not so much for the nudity, but for the idealog of the trainers and their obssession with beating "the Americans." One small problem: how is it that she left the training facility after just a few months training (remember she left early) and was an expert spy. The best in the class; and this after her career as a ballerina.

Lawrence is golden here, but the story had a few problems. So this was not her fault. For one, the uncle was too obvious as a villian. We knew that she would get even with him, but the big question was how. The gratuitous sex scenes were awkward, to say the least; and one was downright unecessary...the one between her and Edgerton. It just didn't fit the storyline of his character. I felt their relationship was forced and kind of matter-of-fact. That's not to say that both Edgerton and JLaw weren't convincing, it's just that those two characters should not have hooked up, plus there was no build up. There were even some awkward lines about her falling for "the American." How quaint!

I might be a little nitpicky, but that tends to slow down the overall story, whenever something happens that doesn't seem to fit the story/plot. I do admit though that the rest was quite good, especially the tension with JLaw's character - was she or wasn't she telling the Americans the truth.
That was well done. The ending was predictable, it was just showing how she did it. The Jeremy Irons character WAS a surprise, and it was cleverly done.

I don't know about this one. I felt kind of meh at the end, it reminded me of the Ipcress File (with a young Michael Caine), a spy thriller of the 60s.
But I liked the tension, and that you never knew which way this film was going. It's based on a book written by a former CIA agent, Jason Matthews.
I may read the book, or books, it's a series.

SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I was going to see it opening weekend, but I was distracted by a small family issue. Going to go this weekend coming. Love JLaw, plus it just looks good.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know what I can say without spoiling parts.

I was struck by the layers of dialogue, the topography of verbal intercourse, the levels of interchange. This part reminded me if Wind River.
The intrigue and pacing, cadence reminded me of Schindler's List. Far more sophisticated than Bourne or Bond.

If you are in need of a CGI fix, skip this. If you need nonstop action, don't bother. There is Violence, no doubt about it.
I had seen the trailers, had an idea what to expect and what it was about, but I severely underestimated.

I highly recommend if you like good film.
Sometimes I wondered what would happen next, and by the end I was left in the dust, I should have been more alert for this viewing.

The Primary obstacle for my suspension of disbelief was how smart this character is.



Better than it looks.
Soak in the dialogue, pay attention to everything she says. Tell us if you are able to figure out what's going to happen before it does - I could not.


The sex scene between Edgerton and JLaw seemed the least gratuitous to me.

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it was certainly not forced by him.

For her early exit from training, there are at least 2 rationales. In the flow of story, they had a sudden need for plausible excuse for anxagent where he was, or miss the opportunity. She had been far more perceptive than any other trainees, and that was what they needed for such a delicate and sensitive mission. After the reveals at the end, the reasoning for her leaving could be 2-pronged. The head may have considered her expendable if failure was the goal. The head may have sensed she was the solution for the predicament of the moment, she merely needed an opportunity to work out the details and prove herself.

I spent much of the time wondering who she was lying to, loyal to, trusting, deceiving, feeling out, or if she was negotiating, wallowing, moving the target, changing her mind. Her disclosure after she turned up the volume was so bold as to throw me off balance, hers was naked ambition and risk.


I did not find the ending or the twists predictable, good for you to see through it all. I've seen many spy thrillers, but this was not as noir as many of the past, not as snobbish as many with top stars, not as messy or tongue-in-cheek as some big ones. Once seeing the end, I won't need to rewatch for that part, but seeing the flow in new light will be interesting, plus soaking in more of the dialogue interchange will be fun.

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