What is (or was) the "Kushner Plan"? by SIGNYM

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What is (or was) the "Kushner Plan"?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:13 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

With the Khashoggi killing; many of the analysis sites that I listen to now say that the "Kushner Plan" is dead.

That's GREAT!!

But wait ... wha...? What IS (or WAS) the Kushner Plan anyway? That's the part that they haven't explained! (Or, if they did, I must have missed it.)

I gather that Kushner had a great relationship with the sociopath who probably ordered the Khashoggi killing, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) and that he managed to convince Trump that MbS was a great reformer. Also, MbS was not part of the CIA's nexus in Saudi Arabia, so when Trump made his (very first) state visit ... to Saudi Arabia, of all places ... and there was that sword dance and all that, apparently some sort of deal was sealed between Trump and the MbS faction in Saudi Arabia.

Now IMHO Trump's understanding of the Middle East is paper-thin. I believe that he really does have a significant grotch against Iran, and that's because he has an automatic/instinctive reaction to protect Israel. Because, as one analyst pointed out, he's still a boomer from NYC.

So when he was running on the basis of making nice with Russia but regime change in Iran, I assumed that reality would bitch-slap him in the face. Maybe it still will, but I'm still trying to understand the plan that is supposedly crumbling down around him.

Saudi Arabia tried to destroy Qatar, and failed. They sent their terrorist proxies into Syria to "regime change" there, and failed at that too. The USA is still supporting terrorist proxies and "regime change" in Syria, so the USA and Saudi Arabia and Israel have a common project there. At one time, Saudi Arabia kidnapped the Prime Minister of Lebanon in the hopes of fomenting "regime change" there as well. And of course they are still prosecuting a genocidal war in Yemen.

But what does this have to do with oil and the petrodollar? Anything?

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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:31 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I have never truly understood the American Jew hatred of Israel.

So is Kushner a supporter of Israel, or pulling the rug out from under?

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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

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So is Kushner a supporter of Israel, or pulling the rug out from under?

Kushner is such a lover of Israel that (imho) he crossed the line and is now representing the Netanyahu government, not the American people.

btw Saudi Arabia and Israel - both HARSH theocratic governments - have had a silent alliance ever since whenever. It was pointed out to me by my high school teacher (50 years ago) that if you look at the warfare in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia has NEVER attacked Israel, either directly or by proxy.

That record still stands today.

Even looking at the region's nations (Syria, Iraq, Libya) bedeviled by Saudi-funded terrorists (various al Qaeda offshoots) these terrorists have NEVER attacked Israel. Ever. So they're not as "spontaneous" and "undirected" as generally portrayed because obviously Saudi Arabia is holding the leash.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what the Trump-associated (i.e. not associated with the CIA) factions in the various ME governments "means", because aside from changing the behind-the-scenes power (which was previously the CIA and CIA-associated politicians and proxies, including Obama, Hillary, Mohammed bin Nayef, al Qaeda and offshoots, MI6, the White Helmets etc.) the aims and goals seem to be very much the same:

Regime change in Syria
Regime change in Iran
(now) Regime change in Turkey

And those goals only seem to benefit Israel.

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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

But wasn't Kushner a Democrat? Democrat Jews are always Voting against Israel, undermining Israel, hating Israel.
Why do you think Kushner is now aligned with Netanyahu, and when did that change?
Or was Kushner always a Republican, contrary to MSM reports?

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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 3:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Mmmm... I think you exaggerate. Democratic Jews don't "always" vote against Israel.

There are SOME ultra-liberal Jews who're a lot like Unitarian Universalists ... standing up for the rights of the oppressed everywhere ... and after Israel lurched to the right these ultra-Liberal Jews became estranged from Israel's rightwing government. They would find no place whatsoever in today's Israel. But this is not at all a universal stance of American Jews, who range from ultra-left Trotskyists to ultra-Orthodox Zionists.

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In any case, American policy towards Israel is manipulated by intensely Zionist organizations within the USA (like AIPAC) and penetration of our political structure by dual-citizen and Mossad-affiliated operators. Outsiders and/or political operatives, not the "average Jew". If you want to survive as a politician you will NEVER say anything negative about Israel because you'll be cut down faster than you can draw a breath.

Just look at how our socialist darling, Ocasio-Cortez, got spanked after celebrating her win with Thomas Lopez-Pierre at her party,

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a known anti-Semite and racist

She's STILL being called an anti-Semite.

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Tuesday, November 20, 2018 3:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ok, so back to the "Kushner Plan".

The thing that was puzzling me was that altho Trump is working pretty hard to change the behind-the-scenes power structure away from the CIA and its affiliates, the ME policy STILL seems to be one of "regime change", benefiting mostly Israel.

What would be the point of changing your affiliates and operatives simply to follow the same playbook? That makes no sense whatsoever.

HOWEVER, after talking this over with hubby, HE thinks that the different component of Trump's plan is that Trump is still propping up the petrodollar, whereas Obama and Clinton were willing to ditch it. One piece of evidence in favor of this theory is that Obama was anxious to make a deal with Iran, letting them back into the worldwide financial structure, and that Iran was going to get paid in Euros instead of dollars. The last people who tried to slide out from under the petrodollar arrangement were Saddam and Kaddafi, and look what happened to THEM. So Obama was willing, apparently, to reverse that pro-petrodollar stance in favor of the Euro. SO anxious was he that pallets of cash were sent to Iran to pay off ... whoever ... to complete the deal.

Just a thought.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:15 AM

JO753

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Coud be Trumps escape destination after he gets charjd. Good plase to send all the loot and try to disappear.

Then the Koshoggi murder makes sens. They did it spesificly to provide an excuse to end relationz with America, including extradition. Wilbur Ross will help loot the piggy bank, Trump iz alredy transfering all hiz welth, they will grab anything thats not nailed down az they jump off the ship they set up to sink.

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