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Friday, January 11, 2019 5:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I'm just posting this thread so that nit won't get deleted like the other thread.
Original thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62865&p=2

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Texas Lt Governor says only 200 miles of Border Wall needed in TX.
From Brownsville to Falcon Lake.

He is also a big supporter of Trump.



Wikipedia says there are 48 legal crossings on the Mexico land Border.
Ferry - 1 in TX.
Railroad - 8. 2 in CA, 1 in AZ, 5 in TX.

Road: 50. 9 in CA, 9 in AZ, 3 in NM, 29 in TX.
Not sure why the numbers don't add up. Maybe Libtard Wiki used Libtard Maths for cyphering, or Wiki is not well versed in American English.


CA has 140 miles of Border.
AZ has 373 miles.
NM has 180 miles.
TX has 1,241 miles.

Total 1,934 miles.

If 1,040 miles of Texas Border really doesn't need a Wall, and 14 miles in CA already has one, that leaves 880 miles.
Not sure where that 130 miles of natural barrier are located. But apparently not along this 200 mile stretch in TX.
Of the 654 miles already built under Bush, if 200 were already in TX, then about 450 are elsewhere.
So 450 miles of existing Wall, plus 130 miles of natural barrier, subtracted from 880 miles, leaves only 300 miles of Wall needed. If that 1,000 miles in TX is really not needed.

In NM, 180 miles with 3 crossings averages 60 miles between. And AZ with 373 miles and 9 crossings averages 42 miles between. That first kid who died crossed at a point 80 minutes away from the nearest Border Unit, which means the others are closer together.
I'll look at that data closer.


The 2006 Secure Fence Act, compromised in 2007 by Kay Bailey Hutchinson so that it wouldn't be built.
1. 20 mile fence, centered on Tecate CA.
2. Fence, from 10 miles west of Calexico CA to 5 miles east of Douglas AZ.
3. From 5 miles west of Columbus NM to 10 miles east of El Paso TX.
4. From 5 miles northwest of Del Rio TX to 5 miles southeast of Eagle Pass TX.
5. From 15 miles northwest of Laredo TX to Brownsville TX Port of Entry.

A 2017 GAO Report indicated from FY2010 - FY2015 about 9,300 breaches of Obama's flimsy fence had occurred. Or average 1,550 per year. Which indicates Illegal Aliens are not trying so much to go around, and that the fences are in the right places.
The Secure Fence Act of 2006 authorized and funded 700 miles of fence, but Obama only built 654 miles of "barrier" of which most could be walked through.


Listing the crossings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_bor
der_crossings


PedWest - San Ysidro, San Diego
San Ysidro - San Ysidro
San Ysidro Pedestrian
Tijuana Intl Airport - San Diego
Otay Mesa - San Diego
Tecate - Tecate, CA
Calexico West - Calexico CA
Calexico East - Calexico CA
Andrade - Andrade CA

San Luis - San Luis AZ
San Luis II - San Luis AZ
Lukeville - Lukeville Az
Sasabe - Sasabe AZ
Nogales-Mariposa - Nogales AZ
Nogales-Grand Avenue - Nogales AZ
Nogales-Marley Gate - Nogales AZ
Naco - Naco AZ
Douglas - Douglas AZ

Antelope Wells - Antelope Wells NM
Columbus - Columbus NM
Santa Teresa - Santa Teresa NM

El Paso-PDN - El Paso TX
El Paso-Stanton - El Paso
El Paso-BOTA - El Paso
El Paso-Ysleta - El Paso
Tornillo - Tornillo TX
Fort Hancock - Fort Hancock TX
Presidio - Presidio TX
Boquillas - Big Bend TX
Amistad DAm - Del Rio TX
Del Rio - Del Rio TX
Eagle Pass - Eagle Pass TX
Eagle Pass II - Eagle Pass TX
Laredo-Columbia Solidarity - Latredo TX
Laredo-World Trade - Laredo TX
Laredo Bridge 1 - Laredo TX
Laredo-Juarez/Lincoln - Laredo TX
Falcon Dam - Falcon Heights TX
Roma - Roma TX
Rio Grande City - Rio Grande City TX
Los Ebanos - Los Ebanos TX
Anzalduas - Mission TX
Hidalgo - Hidalgo TX
Pharr - Pharr TX
Donna - Donna TX
Progreso - Progreso TX
Los Indios - Los Indios TX
Brownville-B&M - Brownsville TX
Brownsville-Gateway - Brownsville TX
Brownsville-Veterans - Brownsville TX


San Miguel Gate is for Native Americans only, Sells AZ


1993 Fence is 14 miles. (5 San Diego crossings)
2006 Fence #1 is 20 miles. (Tecate CA crossing)
2006 Fence #2 is at least 375 miles. It is 360 miles from Calexico to Douglas, and 422 by car. This Fence ends about 25 miles from New Mexico, so spans about 350 miles of AZ. (12 crossings, 3 CA and 9 AZ)
2006 Fence #3 is at least 95 miles, or maybe 117 miles. It is 80 miles from Columbus NM to El Paso. Columbus is about 60 miles of Border from Texas. This leaves about 115 miles of NM, and about 140 miles between Douglas AZ and Columbus without fence, with 1 crossing at Antelope Wells. (Spans 6 crossings, 2 NM and 4 Texas). Tornillo TX is about 17 (or 39) miles east of El Paso, so is not covered by the description of this fence. Distance from Tornillo to Columbus is 95 miles, or 115 by car.
2006 Fence #4 is about 65 miles. It is 52 miles from Del Rio to Eagle Pass, and 55 by car. (4 crossings)
2006 Fence #5 is at least 180 miles. It is 166 miles from Laredo to Brownsville, or 203 by car. Falcon Lake Dam is about 69 miles southeast of Laredo (82 by car), and according to Lt Governor Dan Patrick is the extent of what is needed, which is less than 200 miles from The Gulf at Brownsville. Falcon Dam to Brownsville is 113 miles, and 129 by car. This would indicate the described Fence would be 180-220 miles, fully encompassing the 200 mile stretch which is now claimed to be needed. (17 crossings)

We might presume that the 700 miles of Fence in the 2006 SFA included 20 miles (#1) + 375 (#2) + 95/117 (#3) + 65 (#4) + 180/220 (#5) = 735/797 miles.
Or maybe 20 + 365 + 85 + 60 + 170 = 700.
Seems a bit unclear.


With about 65-110 miles of fence bordering CA, this leaves about 30-75 miles of CA Border unfenced, not near a legal crossing. Wiki also says Calexico is about 122 miles from San Diego and 62 miles from Yuma, which adds to 184, more than the stated 140 mile Border.

About 140 miles between Fence #2 and #3, unfenced.

Laredo to Eagle Pass is 102 miles, or 117 by car. So the unfenced span is about 82 miles between Fence #4 and #5.

75 + 140 + 82 = ~300/miles unfenced. Of the 1,166 miles agreed which has no Wall, simple subtraction indicates about 865 miles is unfenced between Fence #3 and Fence #4.
Subtracting another way, of the 1,241 miles of Texas Border, about 35 is in Fence #3, 65 is in Fence #4, 180 is in Fence #5. Leaving about 960 miles unfenced. About 82 is between Fence #4 and Fence #5, leaving about 880 miles unfenced between Fence #3 and Fence #4.


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Friday, January 11, 2019 6:25 PM

REAVERFAN




They try so hard, and fail so spectacularly.

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Friday, January 11, 2019 7:15 PM

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Amy Patrick writes:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10100902776405671&id=3
002882


I’m a licensed structural and civil engineer with a MS in structural engineering from the top program in the nation and over a decade of experience on high-performance projects, and particularly of cleaning up design disasters where the factors weren’t properly accounted for, and I’m an adjunct professor of structural analysis and design at UH-Downtown. I have previously been deposed as an expert witness in matters regarding proper construction of walls and the various factors associated therein, and my testimony has passed Daubert.

Am I a wall expert? I am. I am literally a court-accepted expert on walls.

Structurally and civil engineering-wise, the border wall is not a feasible project. Trump did not hire engineers to design the thing. He solicited bids from contractors, not engineers. This means it’s not been designed by professionals. It’s a disaster of numerous types waiting to happen.

What disasters?

Off the top of my head...
1) It will mess with our ability to drain land in flash flooding. Anything impeding the ability of water to get where it needs to go (doesn’t matter if there are holes in the wall or whatever) is going to dramatically increase the risk of flooding.
2) Messes with all kind of stuff ecologically. For all other projects, we have to do an Environmental Site Assessment, which is arduous. They’re either planning to circumvent all this, or they haven’t accounted for it yet, because that’s part of the design process, and this thing hasn’t been designed.
3) The prototypes they came up with are nearly impossible to build or don’t actually do the job. This article explains more:

www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.engineering.com/amp/17599.html

And so on.

The estimates provided for the cost are arrived at unreasonably. You can look for yourself at the two-year-old estimate that you see everyone citing.

http://fronterasdesk.org/sites/default/files/field/docs/2016/07/Bernst
ein-%20The%20Trump%20Wall.pdf


It does not account for rework, complexities beyond the prototype design, factors to prevent flood and environmental hazard creation, engineering redesign... It’s going to be higher than $50bn. The contractors will hit the government with near CONSTANT change orders. “Cost overrun” will be the name of the game. It will not be completed in Trump’s lifetime.

I’m a structural forensicist, which means I’m called in when things go wrong. This is a project that WILL go wrong. When projects go wrong, the original estimates are just *obliterated*. And when that happens, good luck getting it fixed, because there aren’t that many forensicists out there to right the ship, particularly not that are willing to work on a border wall project— a large quotient of us are immigrants, and besides, we can’t afford to bid on jobs that are this political. We’re small firms, and we’re already busy, and we don’t gamble our reputations on political footballs. So you’d end up with a revolving door of contractors making a giant, uncoordinated muddle of things, and it’d generally be a mess. Good money after bad. The GAO agrees with me.

And it won’t be effective. I could, right now, purchase a 32 foot extension ladder and weld a cheap custom saddle for the top of the proposed wall so that I can get over it. I don’t know who they talked to about the wall design and its efficacy, but it sure as heck wasn’t anybody with any engineering imagination.

Another thing: we are not far from the day where inexpensive drones will be able to pick up and carry someone. This will happen in the next ten years, and it’s folly to think that the coyotes who ferry people over the border won’t purchase or create them. They’re low enough, quiet enough, and small enough to quickly zip people over any wall we could build undetected with our current monitoring setup.

Let’s have border security, by all means, but let’s be smart about it. This is not smart. It’s not effective. It’s NOT cheap. The returns will be diminishing as technology advances, too. This is a ridiculous idea that will never be successfully executed and, as such, would be a monumental waste of money.

This is set to public. Have a blast sharing it.
January 9 at 3:52 AM · Public

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 11, 2019 7:20 PM

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A forensic engineer explains why Trump would be dead before the border wall was completed
https://qz.com/1521310/

Initial estimates by nonpartisan consultants put the wall’s cost at $15 billion. Based on Patrick’s experience—her job involves sorting out structural issues in engineering projects—she believes the final bill would end up being closer to $50 billion.

The US Government Accountability Office agrees that the project is off-track and would end up grossly over budget.
www.gao.gov/assets/700/693488.pdf

Further, she notes, the effectiveness of the wall is in no way guaranteed. “I could, right now, purchase a 32 foot extension ladder and weld a cheap custom saddle for the top of the proposed wall so that I can get over it,” she writes.

And, she adds, the wall could be easily breached by next-generation drones that could pick up and lift people soon — let alone by the time the project is completed.

Patrick’s overall appraisal is unequivocal: “Structurally and civil-engineering wise, the wall is not a feasible project.”

“I do not know who they talked to about the wall design and its efficacy, but it sure as heck wasn’t anybody with any engineering imagination,” she writes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 12, 2019 1:23 PM

REAVERFAN


JSF talking about "facts?"

Russian trolls are only here to lie.

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Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:00 PM

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Amid border-wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month in Nogales, Arizona

www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/11/third-d
rug-tunnel-one-month-found-nogales/2550685002
/

Effectiveness of walls under scrutiny

Trump's insistence on border-security funding is central to the fight that has resulted in the shutdown.

As part of his push to secure more funding, Trump cites high numbers of drugs coming across the Southwest U.S. border and claims that "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
[To heroin overdoses] We lose 300 Americans a week, 90% of which comes through the Southern Border. These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!
8:42 PM - Jan 10, 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083554782923632640

Trump refers to deaths resulting from heroin. The Drug Enforcement Agency details that the majority of heroin coming into the US comes in via legal ports of entry, or tunnels, and would be totally unaffected by a wall.
https://t.co/3FyKa5Kj2o

If Trump wants the Army Corp of Engineers to bulldoze Nogales, Arizona, then build his Wall a mile or two from Mexico in order to stop drugs and illegal aliens, it is fine with me, but the Republicans of Arizona might object. There is only about 20,000 people, and their buildings, that would need to be removed to make tunnelling unworkable for drug smugglers. I think Trump should try. What is the worst that could happen? He lose an election? Not a big deal. His priority should be protecting Arizona from Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogales,_Arizona

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
JSF talking about "facts?"

Russian trolls are only here to lie.



lol

JSF lives very close to where I used to live. He seems to know a lot of things about that area that I could verify from having lived there for 5 years. Hell... he even knew that everybody there calls water fountains "Bubblers".

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Just because people don't agree with you, doesn't mean that they're Nazis or Russians.

I can't figure out if you're just stupid, or if you're actively engaging in online political terrorism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 7:56 PM

RUE

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The following post appears to be op (see original article for links)


Families Are Crossing Southern U.S. Border In Record Numbers

In February 2019, more than 36,000 people were apprehended while trying to cross the border with their families, exceeding the number of other apprehended people by almost 6,000. As Statista's Katharina Buchholz notes, the number of families arrested has pushed total border apprehensions to an 11-year high in February.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-12/families-are-crossing-southe
rn-us-border-record-numbers

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 9:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
The following post appears to be op (see original article for links)


Families Are Crossing Southern U.S. Border In Record Numbers

In February 2019, more than 36,000 people were apprehended while trying to cross the border with their families, exceeding the number of other apprehended people by almost 6,000. As Statista's Katharina Buchholz notes, the number of families arrested has pushed total border apprehensions to an 11-year high in February.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-12/families-are-crossing-southe
rn-us-border-record-numbers

The Resident Trolls here have declared zerohedge as Fake News.

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Sunday, March 17, 2019 10:26 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Then I guess the original source with links in the article is also fake news.

Statista?

Gone!

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Friday, March 29, 2019 1:49 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Then I guess the original source with links in the article is also fake news.

Statista?

Gone!

As long as you follow Troll delusions.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 1:51 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Did Congress make some agreement to fund Border Wall?

But nobody here made mention?

Has the Fake News Witch Hunt derailed all discussion?

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Tuesday, May 14, 2019 7:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Not exactly the same topic, but here is Trump attempting the very action that second keeps trumpeting as the solution he should pursue:

Quote:


White House Pushed Secret Plan To Arrest Thousands Of Migrant Families: Reports
[HuffPost]
Hayley Miller
HuffPostMay 14, 2019
Scroll back up to restore default view.

Department of Homeland Security officials considered a secret White House plan to arrest thousands of undocumented migrant parents and children in coordinated raids across the U.S., but the idea was tabled due to a lack of resources, reported The Washington Post and The Associated Press.

The massive operation was intended to deter people from crossing the border into the U.S. from Mexico, according to the Post and AP, which cited several unnamed current and former Homeland Security officials.

But the proposal was reportedly challenged by then-DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and then-Immigration and Customs Enforcement head Ron Vitiello, who worried not about the ethical implications of such a scenario but about the resources needed to carry it out effectively.

The two were ousted from their positions by President Donald Trump weeks later, in part because of their objections to the proposal, reported the Post.

The number of people illegally crossing the southern border has sharply risen in the past few months. U.S. Customs and Border Protection apprehended over 109,000 people at the border in April ? more than double the number of migrants detained during that month last year. A majority of the migrants apprehended were either families traveling together or unaccompanied kids.

The White House’s plan, which is reportedly still under consideration, was to arrest parents and children in 10 U.S. cities with large immigrant communities such as New York City and Los Angeles. The targeted individuals would already be subject to final deportation orders by an immigration judge, the Post and AP reported.

“There was concern that it was being hastily put together, would be ineffective and might actually backfire by misdirecting resources away from critical border emergency response operations,” a DHS official told the Post.

Nielsen and Vitiello also reportedly worried the raids would spark another round of intense public outrage over the Trump administration’s crackdown on undocumented immigrants. Nielsen’s enforcement of the “zero tolerance” policy last summer, which separated children from parents who illegally crossed the border, drew nationwide protest.



https://ca.news.yahoo.com/white-house-migrant-families-arrested-135539
192.html

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Tuesday, May 14, 2019 9:29 PM

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Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Well, reports are that Trump got 450 miles completed before Lord Darth Biden sent all security wall builders to the unemployment line.
Not yet sure where those 450 miles were located.


Now that Lord Darth Biden has converted Border Protection Service into Borer Receiving and Escort Service, shipping Criminal Illegal Aliens into the heart of America, I have been wondering how this influx of millions of Criminal Illegal Aliens has shifted the picture of Immigration.


These millions of Illegal Immigration waves have now jumped in front of the millions of Legal Immigration Applicant, who have been patiently waiting for years and years for their Immigration Status to be processed. Millions of Doctors, engineers, scientists from 160 countries all waiting patiently, who now must wait in line behind the Criminal Illegal Aliens who Creepy Joe is inviting in.

I wonder how many Legal Immigration processees just got stiffed?

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Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Reports are of 452 miles of Border Wall compoleted, with an additional 300-350 miles of pre-build.

About 49 miles previously had no barrier

Much of the new 30 ft tall Wall was replacing smaller, flimsy, outdated fence.

17 miles of wall in El Centro and San Diego, CA.

June 23, 2020 Trump visited Yuma, AZ to celebrate 200 miles of Wall built. Almost all of this was replacing existing, ineffective fencing.

Jan 12, 2021 Trump visited Alamo, TX to celebrate 450 miles built.



Biden has stated that he would not disassemble the Wall that Trump already built.

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Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Liberal Documentary filmmaker Gujral made "America's Forgotten" and exposes Border corruption, and how Biden is the spokesman for the Human-trafficking Cartels making more money than ever before.



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Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Remember, you are not allowed to go visit grandma, but Lord Darth Biden is busing covid+ Criminal Illegal Aliens to her neighborhood.

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Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


FACT: If you're on board with the invasion of America on our Southern Border, you are an enemy of America.


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Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:39 PM

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Mexico to help the United States contain a migration surge along its southern border and the Biden administration to supply Mexico with excess doses of the coronavirus vaccine, according to senior officials from both countries involved in the conversations.

The decision to send Astra-Zeneca vaccine to Mexico is expected to be announced Friday. Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador had asked President Biden to help fill vaccine shortfalls in recent talks.

The AZ vaccine is safe and effective, but it hasn't gone through FDA approval yet so it can't be used in the US. At the same time, we seem to have enough of the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines to vaccinate everyone in the country.

https://jabberwocking.com/biden-agrees-to-send-excess-astrazeneca-vacc
ine-to-neighbors
/

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Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Give covid shots to whoever wants them, then put them on boats and drop them off at the southern tip of Chile.


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Friday, March 19, 2021 3:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard that since Lord Darth Obiden stopped the Border Wall and opened the borders, Criminal Illegal Aliens have been from more than 50 different countries.

9/11 guys would have had it easy.




And also, all of the Criminal Illegal Alien kids are wearing Lord Darth Obiden t-shirts.

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Friday, March 19, 2021 3:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
These millions of Illegal Immigration waves have now jumped in front of the millions of Legal Immigration Applicant, who have been patiently waiting for years and years for their Immigration Status to be processed. Millions of Doctors, engineers, scientists from 160 countries all waiting patiently, who now must wait in line behind the Criminal Illegal Aliens who Creepy Joe is inviting in.

I wonder how many Legal Immigration processees just got stiffed?

I wonder, how many American Citizens would object to the open admission of the next 20 million Immigrants, who have been waiting for their applications to process for years, decades? As long as they pass the background checks, other filters?
Allowing Legal Immigrants to flood in, instead of only Criminal Illegal Aliens in front of them?

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Friday, March 19, 2021 4:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The current unemployment rate is insane.

Don't let any of them in. Plenty of American Citizens of all colors that are hurting now.

They can go right back and fix their own shithole country.


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Friday, March 19, 2021 5:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The current unemployment rate is insane.

Don't let any of them in. Plenty of American Citizens of all colors that are hurting now.

They can go right back and fix their own shithole country.

I am all for shipping illegals out of the country. Why? Because it would ruin my Republican competitors who hire illegals and pay less than the minimum or, if the Republican is particularly greedy, cheat the illegals out of their entire pay.

Unauthorized Population 10,977,000

Homeowner 3,202,000
“Homeowners” are unauthorized immigrants residing in homes that are owned, not rented.

Move the homeless into the houses previously occupied by illegals, thus solving two problems at the same time.

Profile of the Unauthorized Population: United States
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population
/state/US


How many people in the U.S. are immigrants?

The U.S. foreign-born population reached a record 44.8 million in 2018. Since 1965, when U.S. immigration laws replaced a national quota system, the number of immigrants living in the U.S. has more than quadrupled. Immigrants today account for 13.7% of the U.S. population, nearly triple the share (4.8%) in 1970. However, today’s immigrant share remains below the record 14.8% share in 1890, when 9.2 million immigrants lived in the U.S.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-
s-immigrants
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 19, 2021 8:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The current unemployment rate is insane.

Don't let any of them in. Plenty of American Citizens of all colors that are hurting now.

They can go right back and fix their own shithole country.

I am all for shipping illegals out of the country. Why? Because it would ruin my Republican competitors...



Already heard it. Don't care about your lies.


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Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The current unemployment rate is insane.

Don't let any of them in. Plenty of American Citizens of all colors that are hurting now.

They can go right back and fix their own shithole country.

You prefer the 20 million Criminal Illegal Aliens instead of Legal Immigrants?

The legal Immigrants would be mostly Doctors, engineers, highly skilled workers - not competing with you for work. They would all contribute to the tax base, not drain from it.

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Monday, March 22, 2021 8:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The current unemployment rate is insane.

Don't let any of them in. Plenty of American Citizens of all colors that are hurting now.

They can go right back and fix their own shithole country.

You prefer the 20 million Criminal Illegal Aliens instead of Legal Immigrants?

The legal Immigrants would be mostly Doctors, engineers, highly skilled workers - not competing with you for work. They would all contribute to the tax base, not drain from it.




I prefer none of the above. Close the borders. Let it be known that there is nothing worth coming here for to anybody who wasn't born a US Citizen.


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Monday, March 22, 2021 8:28 PM

SECOND

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I prefer none of the above. Close the borders. Let it be known that there is nothing worth coming here for to anybody who wasn't born a US Citizen.

Canadians closed their border to keep out Trumptards: U.S. border has been shut down for a year — and there's no reopening plan
www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-border-restriction-reopening-1.5948695

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Monday, March 22, 2021 8:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Canadians closed their border to keep out Trumptards: U.S. border has been shut down for a year — and there's no reopening plan



Whatever their reason, good on 'em.

Funny how nobody is calling Blackface Trudeau racist for it, huh?

Close our southern border immediately, and never open it again.

We don't need anybody else here.


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Monday, March 29, 2021 2:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


An underlying goal of the Open Border was revealed:
Lord Darth Obiden is shipping and distributing vast amounts of Illegal Aliens to Red States, to change the Electorate enough to turn them purple and "win" more states.


And this is not even counting the "gottaways" which Border Patrol sez is a minimum of 1,000 Illegal Aliens per day. Including trafficked children as sex slaves, which garner the most profit for the Biden/Drug Cartels.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:31 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Border agent: Biden opens ‘clandestine’ migrant processing operation

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/border-agent-bid
en-opens-clandestine-migrant-processing-operation


Ted Cruz posts video of moment Biden official tries to block him from taking pictures of migrants in overcrowded Texas border facility

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9413845/Ted-Cruz-posts-video-
Biden-official-trying-stop-taking-pictures-Texas-border-facility.html


To End the Border Crisis, Biden Must Accept These Six Basic Facts | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/end-border-crisis-biden-must-accept-these-six
-basic-facts-opinion-1579617


Biden facing border catastrophe of illegal migration
https://www.thetelegraph.com/insider/article/Biden-facing-border-catas
trophe-of-illegal-16032194.php

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Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I keep hearing the following:
40% of current Illegal Aliens crossing are underage.

Study shows 42,000,000 Latiun Americans want to Illegally Invade America.

2,000,000 Criminal Illegal Aliens are expected to cross the border each year under Biden.

Biden has been feverishly building new cages to hold minors in, complaining that is because Trump had stopped building cages as soon as he took office, so now Biden needs to catch up to the number of cages for kids that are needed.

861 Illegal Aliens who have been caught so far are Criminals, FY21.

Biden processed 100,000 Criminal Illegal Aliens in Feb alone.

CBP is under gag order.


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Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


They're all criminals.


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Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:18 PM

REAVERFAN


Facts and JSF are enemies.



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Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up your ass.


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Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Latest reports are that, although most of the Border traffic escapes untouched (but mostly observed), the captured drugs are totaling over $1 million per week.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:42 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Biden Bans ICE And Immigration Officials From Describing Migrants As ‘Illegal Aliens’

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/biden-bans-ice-and-immigration-officials
-from-describing-migrants-as-illegal-aliens
/


Joe Biden’s immigration agenda overshadowed by migrant challenges in first 100 days

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2021/04/29/bidens-100-
days-immigration-agenda-overshadowed-migrant-challenge/4821671001
/

Joe Biden orders immigration authorities not to use 'inhumane' terms like 'illegal alien'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/20/joe-biden-orders-immigrati
on-authorities-not-use-inhumane-terms
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Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biden Bans ICE And Immigration Officials From Describing Migrants As ‘Illegal Aliens’



Meh... whatever.

I'll still call them what they are.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 6:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Quote:

In post-pandemic Europe, migrants will face digital fortress



As the world begins to travel again, Europe is sending migrants a loud message: Stay away!

(There is) a vast array of physical and experimental new digital barriers being installed and tested during the quiet months of the coronavirus pandemic at the 200-kilometer (125-mile) Greek border with Turkey to stop people entering the European Union illegally.

The EU has poured 3 billion euros ($3.7 billion) into security tech research following the refugee crisis in 2015-16, when more than 1 million people — many escaping wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan — fled to Greece and on to other EU countries.

The more aggressive migration strategy has been advanced by European policymakers over the past five years, funding deals with Mediterranean countries outside the bloc to hold migrants back and transforming the EU border protection agency, Frontex, from a coordination mechanism to a full-fledged multinational security force.

Earlier this month, several thousand migrants crossed from Morocco into the Spanish enclave of Ceuta in a single day, prompting Spain to deploy the army. A similar crisis unfolded on the Greek-Turkish border and lasted three weeks last year. (comment - that border crisis pales in comparison to the current US border crisis.)

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-europe-migration-technology-hea
lth-c23251bec65ba45205a0851fab07e9b6

Those European racists! ... trying to control their borders!

Snark aside, I don't hear the deafening international howling about the EU hardening its borders that I did about the US attempting to do the same.

Double standards are everywhere.


US Senator visited the incomplete border Wall last weekend and took a video of alien illegal immigrants crossing into the United States.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64221
Trump's border wall -- how much it will actually cost according to a statistician
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62865
So.... About this "Caravan"
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62745
Trump grilled over shutdown, border wall
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62883

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Monday, June 7, 2021 5:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



There's an major ongoing crisis at the US border - not that you'd hear about it in the m$m.

More apprehensions have been made up to April 2021 than in all of 2020, 2019 (which was a spike year under Trump), or 2018. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters There was a ~21k/ mo uptick beginning in October of last year through December, going from ~53K/ mo to ~74K/ mo. But it REALLY took off in January, reaching ~178k/ mo by April (most recent CPB statistics).

Well. Harris was going south of the US border ... was trying to go there ... eventually got there ... for some reason or another. The attempted trip was highly publicized, the reason for it - the Biden* immigration policies that led to the crisis - wasn't.

NAFTA ruined many south of the border economies. And US meddling to install corporate-friendly governments from Mexico on south ensured people would be maximally stressed. Then there's the US drug DEMAND that's at the root of the drug market, that's fueled cartels (and jihadists) everywhere (and also CIA-self-funding drug-running from Afghanistan to Chile).

But this is a new aspect as to how the US creates the problem we're now dealing with:

American guns are a key driver in the migration crisis. When will the US address it?
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/07/americas/kamala-harris-central-amer
ica-gun-intl/index.html




Against all these drivers, the Biden* administration's answer is to ask - pretty please - don't come. (But if you do, it's OK with us.)

Harris, in Guatemala, Tells Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’
Vice President Kamala Harris, on her first foreign trip, delivered a blunt message to migrants seeking sanctuary by crossing the U.S. border.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/us/politics/kamala-harris-guatemala
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Monday, June 7, 2021 6:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Harris, in Guatemala, Tells Migrants: ‘Do Not Come’
Vice President Kamala Harris, on her first foreign trip, delivered a blunt message to migrants seeking sanctuary by crossing the U.S. border.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/us/politics/kamala-harris-guatemala
.html




lol

Somebody must have gave Harris the memo that 85% Hispanic McAllen, Texas just elected a Republican for Mayor.



OPPS!


"We don't fucking want you here if you're not going to vote for us." ~Kamala Harris

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

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