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Terminator: Dark Fate

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Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


It's been a few hours, but I'll try and give you my first impressions of the movie.

Now, normally I don't watch any reviews (my experience lately has been negative with all sorts of critics, professional and otherwise), usually before I go see a flick I like or I'm interested in seeing. But this time I did it a little different; I actually watched a review after the fact.

I watched a video by "Late to the Party" (a trio of nerds who, like me, review from the seat of their pants - kind of on the fly). It was non spoilery. But here's why I went that route: I wanted to see what they thought because I was on the fence (initially) on how I felt about it. Also, I did like their take on the Star Wars final trailer.

Final verdict: we were pretty much on the same page.

Just wanted to be up front about that. Here's why I think on was on the fence, and that may shed some light on my amateur review. As I have said in the past, I'm a sci-fi geek, love all aspects of it (especially if it's a well-told story). I consider the Terminator franchise to be among the best, Cameron...enough said. He wrote the story/script and produced the movie. Ok, so my personal love for this franchise may get in the way of my review, or more commonly known as bias. Again, putting it out there. Full disclosure.

Having said that; I loved it. Here comes the review: Good solid story in the James Cameron tradition. Full of action (perhaps just a tad too much), never a dull moment, a little predictable, but we're talking about Terminator so some things are expected and are built into the movie. But I think it flowed organically. The CGI is powerful and seamless; Cameron does not disappoint.
Groundbreaking new stuff. But, to be honest, I kind of dug that familiarity.
Sarah Connor was bad-ass, Arnold was too, but in a unique kind of way. There are some surprises, but generally it's a bad ass Terminator movie.

The score was solid, the new Terminator was serviceable and so was the new "Sarah Connor" - but the new "protector" wait until you see her. This part was a stroke of genius on Cameron's part. The actress who plays her would give
Charlize Theron a run for her money in the female action hero genre. Mackenzie Davis, remember that name. She played the part of Grace, the new "Sarah Connor" protector. I have to say, I liked the story/script that Cameron came up with...new, but familiar. One negative I found, there was an action sequence that played much like a Transformer scene; who's camera angles and shot sequence didn't come off so well. Too much action and too close to get a good look at who was doing what to whom. For the most part, the action was hot and dynamic, pulse-pounding and terrific. More like in a summer movie.

I'm giving it 3.5 Stars for well done, terrific action, solid acting and great pacing.


SGG

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Saturday, November 2, 2019 8:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This movie is a disaster for the franchise and no one needs spend their time or money watching this hot mess.

Why ? I'll be brief.

The franchise is a shell of its former self. ( like almost all sci-fi franchises today ) Massive plot holes and continuity cliffs abound. And retconning characters and themes from the original works, simply to insert a cringy social justice agenda … just terrible.

As Gary from Nerdrotic said ' Hollywood is monetizing its apology for the 'pound'MeToo - Harvey Weinstein sins and the fans are having to pay for it ' .

And so it goes for this wokey dumpster fire.

Apparently there's some solid de-aging CG early on in the movie, but it's wasted on a terrible open to a terrible movie.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 2, 2019 3:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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LGBT2000

'nuff said

I have no interest in seeing Sarah Conner and her Hillary Clinton hairdo.

The Terminator franchise has been dead to me ever since they made Terminator 3.




I'll say what I said about the Batwoman TV show. It will be unfortunate if this is actually the first great Terminator movie since T2, because they've ruined it right out the gates with the shitty SJW pandering marketing.

Sarah Connor was a badass and a hero that I looked up to when T2 came out. I didn't need anybody to tell me that. The marketing for this flick is beyond gross.

Like I said, I really had no interest in seeing it anyhow. I've only caught one entirely forgettable Terminator film in the franchise after the entirely forgettable T3, and I couldn't even tell you how many of them I've missed in between. It's just sad that they feel the need to market things like this still in 2019 and haven't learned their lessons yet.

Nope. It wasn't made for me. I will not be seeing it.


I'm sure Steve Shives will be lead by his girlfriend on his leash to see it a dozen times though, and he'll enjoy every second of it.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:57 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I'm going out on a limb here and say you haven't seen it.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

This movie is a disaster for the franchise and no one needs spend their time or money watching this hot mess.

Why ? I'll be brief.

The franchise is a shell of its former self. ( like almost all sci-fi franchises today ) Massive plot holes and continuity cliffs abound. And retconning characters and themes from the original works, simply to insert a cringy social justice agenda … just terrible.

As Gary from Nerdrotic said ' Hollywood is monetizing its apology for the 'pound'MeToo - Harvey Weinstein sins and the fans are having to pay for it ' .

And so it goes for this wokey dumpster fire.

Apparently there's some solid de-aging CG early on in the movie, but it's wasted on a terrible open to a terrible movie.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:59 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Same goes for you. At least you're honest and say so. I'll give you that.

BTW, what the fuck does Steve Shives have to do with anything I said in my review?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LGBT2000

'nuff said

I have no interest in seeing Sarah Conner and her Hillary Clinton hairdo.

The Terminator franchise has been dead to me ever since they made Terminator 3.




I'll say what I said about the Batwoman TV show. It will be unfortunate if this is actually the first great Terminator movie since T2, because they've ruined it right out the gates with the shitty SJW pandering marketing.

Sarah Connor was a badass and a hero that I looked up to when T2 came out. I didn't need anybody to tell me that. The marketing for this flick is beyond gross.

Like I said, I really had no interest in seeing it anyhow. I've only caught one entirely forgettable Terminator film in the franchise after the entirely forgettable T3, and I couldn't even tell you how many of them I've missed in between. It's just sad that they feel the need to market things like this still in 2019 and haven't learned their lessons yet.

Nope. It wasn't made for me. I will not be seeing it.


I'm sure Steve Shives will be lead by his girlfriend on his leash to see it a dozen times though, and he'll enjoy every second of it.


Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, November 3, 2019 6:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The Steve Shives remark wasn't really a dig at you.

I did read what you had written about your recent attitude change about him in the Joker thread, regarding an incident that I'm not even aware of and how you're questioning if the guy even had any integrity in the first place.

Good for you. I'm genuinely glad for you on that front.



That being said, I'm sure Steve Shives will be lead by his girlfriend on his leash to see Terminator: Dark Fate a dozen times, and he'll enjoy every second of it, squirming around on his seat trying to get his butt plug deeper and imagining the proper pegging she's going to give him for being a good doggy when they get home.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 3, 2019 7:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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https://www.the-numbers.com/news/242560830-Friday-Estimates-Holiday-Se
ason-Starts-Without-a-Lot-of-Cheer


Quote:

Terminator: Dark Fate opened in first place on Friday, but it only made $10.6 million, well below expectations. Its reviews and its B plus from CinemaScore are good, but not great, meaning it won’t have the legs needed to overcome this slow start. Look for about $28 million domestically this weekend. Early reports have it performing better internationally with a likely $30 million debut in China, but again, this is below expectations and not enough given the film’s $185 million production budget.


No shit. Get woke, go broke.

They'll figure out that lesson eventually.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm going out on a limb here and say you haven't seen it.


SGG



I all but said I didn't and explained why.

Nor have I seen Nurse Who, Captain Mary Sue, or Batwahman.

I can smell the garbage from a distance w/ out having to go pay to roll around in it for a couple of hours.


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Sunday, November 3, 2019 12:59 PM

WHOZIT


I haven't seen it but it's safe for me to say it's been a very bad year for rehash reboots. Rambo, X-Men and Men in Black all tanked, this may be a bad sign for STAR WARS Episode 9. Maybe the powers that be in Hollywood will learn from the Joker, you can make something old new again if you take a chance. It makes me wonder, are they out of ideas or do they think they're playing it safe?

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Sunday, November 3, 2019 1:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Expect a GoT style collapse for SW:TROS.

Which is tragic, on so many levels.

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Monday, November 4, 2019 9:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oooh... $29 Million domestically on a $185 Million budget. With the near $80 Million internationally, they just barely eeked out $100 Million on opening weekend. With marketing budgets included, it's said that it needs to make close to $500 Million to break even.


Get woke, go broke folks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 4, 2019 11:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


6IX - the $500 million is the same figure I had heard as well. Our sources must be in sync.

It baffles the mind that Tim Miller went off so hard against die hard fans and boasted how 'woke' this film was gonna be.

Dude, the public and the fandom PAY YOUR SALARY. If not yours directly, those who work for you... I suspect they all got paid but taking a hit to the tune of several 100 million dollars. High price to pay for signaling your virtue, pal.

Stop forcing agendas into movies. Stick to good story telling and everyone wins.

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Monday, November 4, 2019 12:57 PM

ZEEK


Unfortunately this flopped at the box office. So, it will be rerererebooted again. This movie will not be part of the timeline in the next movie. So, there's no point in seeing it. This franchise needs a major overhaul if it's going to be successful. They need to give the audience a reason to believe that they're serious "this time". The only way I see that happening is if they take the big risk of filming multiple movies at once and releasing them in short succession. Good luck Terminator. If you can ever get the magic of T2 back then I'll come back. For now we're still on a break.

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Monday, November 4, 2019 3:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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It's kind of sad too. I saw the Red Letter Media review for it today, which is always spoilery, so only watch them if you don't care about the movie.

Mike kind of liked a lot of it. Still only gave it a C+/B- rating despite its many flaws. Jay doesn't recommend it.

Neither of them were aware of the Woke factor. They watch a ton of movies, but they seem to go out of their way to ignore as much of that shit as possible before seeing a movie. Either they're getting extremely good at that, or the woke factor wasn't pushed as much as it had been for previous movies that have flopped, because they both said that they didn't notice any Ghostbusters 2016 levels of woke marketing for this.

They're both big fans of Makenzie what's her name who played the LGBT2000, and said that she did a teriffic job, although the John Connor female replacement is completely forgettable in this role. Both of their biggest grips of the movie was bringing back Linda Hamilton and Arnold.

Jay says that unlike a lot of the recent woke movies, there was actually a reason for Makenzie's character to be doing all sorts of superhero type moves and not just because "muh vagina", yet at the same time she did have weaknesses and wasn't invincible and that vulnerability actually made you relate to and care about what was happening. But the movie was ruined for him when you first see 96 year old Linda Hamilton come out with a giant gun and start blowing shit up. I guess there's a part where Linda's shoulder gets dislocated and LGBT2000 puts it back in, and Mike jokes that she probably would have broken her shoulder putting it back in because old people's bones break a lot easier.

There were also something like 14 writing credits to this movie. A movie that minus the Linda and Arnold characters would have just been a remake of T2 and didn't need 14 people writing it. They said that you cold feel that the director wasn't allowed to just do his thing and had a dozen other people telling him what they needed to add to the movie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 4, 2019 5:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's a sad story which has been repeated all too often.

Captain Mary Sue
Nurse Who
Star Trek Discovery / STD
SW: The Rise of Soy-Walker
Wokeman

Did I leave anyone out?

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Monday, November 4, 2019 7:32 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Unfortunately this flopped at the box office. So, it will be rerererebooted again. This movie will not be part of the timeline in the next movie. So, there's no point in seeing it. This franchise needs a major overhaul if it's going to be successful. They need to give the audience a reason to believe that they're serious "this time". The only way I see that happening is if they take the big risk of filming multiple movies at once and releasing them in short succession. Good luck Terminator. If you can ever get the magic of T2 back then I'll come back. For now we're still on a break.



I don't think so, the next generation isn't interested in this and STAR WARS. All good things come to an end, in the case of this and STAR WARS, good riddance. It's amazing, every new generation discovers and loves The Three Stooges, the only special effects they had was a box that made funny noises.

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Monday, November 4, 2019 10:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Call it franchise fatigue, but we all know it's lazy writing and woke-go-broke syndrome.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, November 4, 2019 10:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Unfortunately this flopped at the box office. So, it will be rerererebooted again. This movie will not be part of the timeline in the next movie. So, there's no point in seeing it. This franchise needs a major overhaul if it's going to be successful. They need to give the audience a reason to believe that they're serious "this time". The only way I see that happening is if they take the big risk of filming multiple movies at once and releasing them in short succession. Good luck Terminator. If you can ever get the magic of T2 back then I'll come back. For now we're still on a break.



I don't think so, the next generation isn't interested in this and STAR WARS. All good things come to an end, in the case of this and STAR WARS, good riddance. It's amazing, every new generation discovers and loves The Three Stooges, the only special effects they had was a box that made funny noises.




RedLetterMedia also brought this point up.

Back in the 80's and 90's it was a great idea for AI to create human-like robots to go back in time and duke it out. In 2019 it seems rather quaint. Why not just come up with a biological agent that would eliminate everyone and bring that back in time with you and do it without anyone being the wiser?

They went on to do a funny bit about how one would go about taking care of a mice problem in their house. Would you construct a tiny army of robot mice and then outfit them with fur so they trick the mice, or would you just put out some cheap poison to get the job done?





Terminator and T2 were great. The world could have just as easily done without any of the sequels beyond that, and it wouldn't be a sadder place if there weren't any more ever made.

Same goes for Star Wars and Ghostbusters and anything else you can think of.


Why not make some new stories? Or less movies in general, so they're not rushed in and out like they are these days.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Holy shit.

They kill off John Connor in the first five minutes?

Seriously. Fuck Hollywood. Fuck Woke culture.



Until you apologize, Hollywood, we're done.



Sorry not sorry for no Spoiler warning. I just saved you 15 bucks and having to re-live the feeling of Newt being dead at the beginning of Alien 3 all over again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Yep. Fans must pay for the Harvey 'Pound Me Too' Weinstein sins which Hollywood committed, for all those years.

The #Patriarchy must be destroyed.

Captain Mary Sue
Ghostbusters
Nurse Who
Star Trek STD
The Rise of Soywalker
Terminator: Dark Fake
Batwahman
Wokemen ...

Male characters must be gender switched, killed off and replaced, and or made to be the subservient witless side kicks or buffoons which are the cause of most if not all of the problems in a story.

Hollywood and the elites think this is somehow ' empowering ' women, instead of going the Ripley , Wonder Woman, Beatrix Kiddo, Sarah Connor rout, where female characters actually have some sort of origins story, a struggle they overcome and grow … but nope. Such things are deemed as ' mansplaining ', and the Pound Me Too gals aren't having any of it.

You will be forced to accept this new regime. As Tim Miller said of Dark Fate , that it will ... " Scare the F*CK out of misogynistic internet trolls " .

Because anyone who speaks up about poor story writing and ridiculous character development or worse, the offing of yet another male character simply so a female character can take his place … is only doing so because they're an misogynistic incel troll.

Criticism from the fans will NOT be tolerated.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Criticism from the fans will NOT be tolerated.



Guess it won't matter. Nobody is going to see this one either.

I don't even have to mention that I'm not seeing Episode 9 by now. Here's hoping none of you do either, even out of curiosity. Try to hold out and watch it on KODI if you absolutely have to see it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It's not just ticket sales, and the associated concessions at the theatre, but also the merch sales... there's just nothing there w/ the new SW movies. Galaxy's Edge at Disney has very little ( actually, it may be none ) original movie references. Just like w/ SW, we're seeing the erasing of not just the white male hero ( Kyle Reese, John Connor ) , but also sweeping aside the old Sarah Connor to groom the next version of herself, the more diverse , ethnic and appropriate version.

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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 12:17 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


so right. brown people shouldn't ever be represented as human beings, no matter what.

social injustice be damned.

sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not just ticket sales, and the associated concessions at the theatre, but also the merch sales... there's just nothing there w/ the new SW movies. Galaxy's Edge at Disney has very little ( actually, it may be none ) original movie references. Just like w/ SW, we're seeing the erasing of not just the white male hero ( Kyle Reese, John Connor ) , but also sweeping aside the old Sarah Connor to groom the next version of herself, the more diverse , ethnic and appropriate version.


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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Nothing really matters, anyone can see
Nothing really matters, to me


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Criticism from the fans will NOT be tolerated.



Guess it won't matter. Nobody is going to see this one either.

I don't even have to mention that I'm not seeing Episode 9 by now. Here's hoping none of you do either, even out of curiosity. Try to hold out and watch it on KODI if you absolutely have to see it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


And now, for something a little different...



The Mexican


SGG

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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
so right. brown people shouldn't ever be represented as human beings, no matter what.

social injustice be damned.

sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not just ticket sales, and the associated concessions at the theatre, but also the merch sales... there's just nothing there w/ the new SW movies. Galaxy's Edge at Disney has very little ( actually, it may be none ) original movie references. Just like w/ SW, we're seeing the erasing of not just the white male hero ( Kyle Reese, John Connor ) , but also sweeping aside the old Sarah Connor to groom the next version of herself, the more diverse , ethnic and appropriate version.




Not the point.

Gotta hear all the time about Cultural Appropriation from SJW wack jobs... anything from hair styles to musical tastes, yet at the same time everything going on in every form of media today is the exact and extreme definition of cultural appropriation and somehow that's okay because it's white males being replaced.

Not even going to bother arguing this case beyond that. The ticket sales have already spoken for me. I'm happy to see them lose a lot of money on this one.

AGAIN.

I've been ruining the plot for anybody I can in the mean time. Save them a few bucks to go spend on something else. Maybe seeing Joker a 2nd time instead.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

so right. brown people shouldn't ever be represented as human beings, no matter what.

social injustice be damned.

sgg




'I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.' - William F Buckley

The deaths of Han and Luke were hallow and senseless.
Same for John Conner. ( sorry for spoilers, not sorry )

Introduce new characters , POC as you will, where it makes sense.

Like in the Spiderverse. Miles Morales makes so much more sense and that whole concept is beautifully crafted and executed. He exists just as Peter Parker exists. They're the SAME hero, but neither one has to be killed off or reduced in stature for the other to stand out.

Or Black Panther. Wholly constructed w/ a believable history and foundation , totally unique to its own story which doesn't rip off anyone else or overwrite preexisting characters.


This is such a simple concept, I'm no longer accepting anyone is legitimately tossing around the race card out of concerns of ' social justice '. They're just cowards, taking the short cut to some ill conceived result they feel is due, while ignoring the damage that's being done.

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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Doesn't anybody remember how crushed they felt when you found out that Newt and Hicks were dead in the beginning credits of Alien 3? How everything that had happened in Alien 2 didn't matter at all after that?


All anybody needs to ask themselves about the new Terminator movie is "how would I feel if it was decided that John Connor wasn't necessary anymore since the timeline was changed, so they killed him in the first five minutes and replaced him with another random white male future hero?"

There would be ZERO point to that. There would also be a TON of outrage as well.



But that's not what happened, is it?

Nope. They decided to kill off John Connor so a minority female could be the new hero of the future. There is also the same outrage, but now the people who are outraged are called sexists and racists.

It's all agenda driven, and it's all bullshit.

Happy to sit back and watch this movie go DOA.

Fuck them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 10:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Ripley and Newt and Corp. Hicks ( aka Kyle Reese ) all made it back , safe and sound.

There were no further adventures after 'Aliens'.

They all lived happily ever after.

The end.


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Wednesday, November 6, 2019 11:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ripley and Newt and Corp. Hicks ( aka Kyle Reese ) all made it back , safe and sound.

There were no further adventures after 'Aliens'.

They all lived happily ever after.

The end.





I like it.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 3:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Exactly the point.

Elvis Pressly, Bo Derek, Led Zeppilin.....just to name a few.
Speaking of appropriation.

If you and Rappy had said "it sucks because they did not continue the storyline (I agree about Newt in Aliens, that was the next logical step in that franchise - fans are craving a return of our favorite survivor).

But did anyone scream bloody murder because it was a girl? Or was it because she was/and is a beloved character? This is what I'm talking about. Bringing
your tired "woe is me, I'm being replaced" bullshit, it's just such bullshit.

It's more about showing me "the money."

Okay, when Star Wars came out and Hollywood shit in their pants because nothing like this had ever been tried before; then came all the success, and subsequently, the money, the suits in Hollywood fell all over themselves trying to duplicate the phenomenon that was Star Wars. Why? Because white boys
make better heroes? That was the norm for over 100 hundred years. In all those years you didn't hear brown people saying "oh woe is me" did you? It wasn't until recently (the 90s) that you heard a peep from the minorities and women.

Now it's become popular to have diversified heroes. Why!? Money. Now brown people and women can be ripped off by the Hollywood elite, just like everyone else. Gay couples can be taken advantage of by corporate America, just like our straight white counterparts. It's not about white, yellow, brown, gay or straight....it's about green. Cold hard cash money. Yet, you and Rappy see a conspiracy lurking behind every curtain. Sure, there's prejudice in this world, but hiding behind every fake mask!?

Granted, some movies have taken this whole women's movement and tried to force feed the public to accept it as the normal course of things. Fuck that. Don't want to support the movie; great! But replacing white males with brown females, puh-lease! Brown folk have had to deal with this for decades. Replacing? Really!? Try George Chakiris playing a Puerto Rican in West Side Story as Bernardo, the leader of the Sharks.

A white boy from Ohio, whose parents were Creek immigrants. A little tan, a horrible accent, a few dance moves (he was an accomplished dancer/actor).
But West Side Story is more than a musical. It was "woke" long before anyone knew what the fuck that meant.

Isn't it ironic?

A white boy from middle America in a movie shining a light on the immigration situation in the 60s. Exposing the fucked up treatment of Americans (Puerto Ricans are Americans) in this country. Even the Jets were treated like garbage. Yes, a white boy from middle America protesting the treatment of immigrants, but he had to play a Puerto Rican in order to do it. Two gangs fighting over "turf" that doesn't belong to them. Only in America.

So please, spare me your indignation about being "replaced" - cry me a river.

My words were meant to stir shit up. Yes, now others are stepping up to take
their place in line, and Hollywood is cashing in, as usual.

Having said all that. Yes, Star Wars, Terminator (not all of them) and other franchises have been poorly written. So don't go. Simple. You want to spout propaganda that white men are being replaced as heroes in film? Go right ahead, but I ain't buying it. Go peddle that shit someplace else. It's all about economics, cash money, getting paid. For years Hollywood pandered to a particular audience, now it's set it's sights elsewhere - whoever has cash to spend at the theater and home video.

If we were invaded by Martians and they assimilated to the American way of life, you guys would be chanting "Martians will not replace us."


SGG


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
so right. brown people shouldn't ever be represented as human beings, no matter what.

social injustice be damned.

sgg


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not just ticket sales, and the associated concessions at the theatre, but also the merch sales... there's just nothing there w/ the new SW movies. Galaxy's Edge at Disney has very little ( actually, it may be none ) original movie references. Just like w/ SW, we're seeing the erasing of not just the white male hero ( Kyle Reese, John Connor ) , but also sweeping aside the old Sarah Connor to groom the next version of herself, the more diverse , ethnic and appropriate version.




Not the point.

Gotta hear all the time about Cultural Appropriation from SJW wack jobs... anything from hair styles to musical tastes, yet at the same time everything going on in every form of media today is the exact and extreme definition of cultural appropriation and somehow that's okay because it's white males being replaced.

Not even going to bother arguing this case beyond that. The ticket sales have already spoken for me. I'm happy to see them lose a lot of money on this one.

AGAIN.

I've been ruining the plot for anybody I can in the mean time. Save them a few bucks to go spend on something else. Maybe seeing Joker a 2nd time instead.

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Totally not the same, but enjoy Dork Fake & Rise of Soywalker.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 9:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Totally not the same, but enjoy Dork Fake & Rise of Soywalker.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall





Yup.

You got what you wanted, SGG. Shed that white male guilt, baby.

You're in the minority now (of people who actually see this movie).





In the mean time, if Cameron and 12 other assholes can just remove all of the movies after T2 from cannon, I'm going to do the same thing too, including this one.


"There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." ~Sarah Connor


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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lol



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Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:26 PM

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lol



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Ryan George is brilliant.

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 3:58 PM

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Never seen him before. That was great though.

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Thursday, November 7, 2019 4:14 PM

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America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Never seen him before. That was great though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I'm a fan. Pitch Meeting vids are pure gold. Not for everyone, I suppose, but I dig 'em.

But for real substance, one of my favs.


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Friday, November 8, 2019 3:08 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Do you guys take classes to come up with this shit, or is there a secret channel where shit-eating Trumpsters go and download this crap?


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Totally not the same, but enjoy Dork Fake & Rise of Soywalker.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Friday, November 8, 2019 3:14 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


well, well, well, well, welly well. I guess I'm in the minority. Oh whatever shall I do? Woe is me, I'm being replaced....I'm worth less than nothing (he whined!).

My life has no meaning and Larry King is still on the air. God please grant
me the strength to carry on, because I'm doomed!

Blah, blah, yackety, smackety. Where's that kool-aid when you need a fix?

Boo hoo, hoo!


sggg (the extra G is for Git the Fuck outta here).


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Totally not the same, but enjoy Dork Fake & Rise of Soywalker.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall





Yup.

You got what you wanted, SGG. Shed that white male guilt, baby.

You're in the minority now (of people who actually see this movie).





In the mean time, if Cameron and 12 other assholes can just remove all of the movies after T2 from cannon, I'm going to do the same thing too, including this one.


"There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." ~Sarah Connor


Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Friday, November 8, 2019 4:09 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You guys better be careful drinking that Trump kool-aid or you may find yourself wearing a white dinner jacket with extra long sleeves in a padded room.

You've been hoodwinked by the Professor(?) of Branding, DJT, the Wandering Imbecile. This guy has the mind of a 4-year-old, combined with the brain of a gnat. This is your fearless leader and he's got you by the short hairs believing his garbage.

White Men being replaced!

I've never heard such nonsense. It's psychobabble bullshit from the mind of an
idiot. The reason why this whole thing started is because the brown people that were here tens of thousands of years prior to white man's arrival, was willing to share the land...but noooooooo, those greedy fucks wanted it all.

Well, no matter. Life goes on, and white men still exist in this world. Here's a hint: "they" in their greed, started all this bullshit and now they want it all for themselves. You know, I take it back...now that I think about it carefully, White Men are doomed. Greed lasts but for a few years and then...
YOU DIE!

It's a fact of life.

600 million Chinese, 1 billion Indians, Aborigines, Polynesians....shall I go on. Right now the Chinese are eating our lunch. Right now we rank 27th in the world in health care and education (according to Business Insider, circa 2018). 27th! Tell me, Hollywood to blame for that!? Or is it because brown people are "invading" the country they once roamed thousands of years ago?

Speaking of 27. There are 27 states with Indian (Native American) names. I wonder why that is? Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Dakota, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Still other states have Spanish names:

Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Montana, Neveda, New Mexico, Texas (Tejas). The Spanish were here long ago, they brought disease, hubris and greed. But I digress, humankind comes and goes throughout the world, white people are only one in a world of many peoples.

History will continue to do course corrections along the way.


SGG

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Friday, November 8, 2019 5:22 AM

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Well... now you're sounding just like the critics and pink haired weirdos that hated Joker.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Among other issues, it's shit like this that made Trump.



(Actual picture on Ellen's Twitter feed promoting the episode)



I don't blame you for forgetting that in only 3 years. Everybody involved in making the new Terminator did.

Fortunately, you're not going to lose over a hundred million dollars for your mistake.


You're going to get another five years of Trump though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:23 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Dude, did you read my review? Sometimes I wonder: WTF are these guys talking about?

I have my own take on the movie, one that has a ton of messages in it
that you guys have obviously glossed over, but do you see me goading you guys on those messages. No!

You're right. It has nothing to do with Trump. So why bring him up?
Actually, there is a slight resemblance between him and Thomas Wayne. But I digress.

Don't really give a shit about "Woe is Me" politics. Never have, never will.

But everything isn't about politics, sometimes a movie is just a movie.


SGG


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... now you're sounding just like the critics and pink haired weirdos that hated Joker.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Among other issues, it's shit like this that made Trump.



(Actual picture on Ellen's Twitter feed promoting the episode)



I don't blame you for forgetting that in only 3 years. Everybody involved in making the new Terminator did.

Fortunately, you're not going to lose over a hundred million dollars for your mistake.


You're going to get another five years of Trump though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, November 10, 2019 3:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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SHINYGOODGUY: You're right. It has nothing to do with Trump. So why bring him up?

ALSO SHINYGOODGUY: You guys better be careful drinking that Trump kool-aid or you may find yourself wearing a white dinner jacket with extra long sleeves in a padded room.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Do you guys take classes to come up with this shit, or is there a secret channel where shit-eating Trumpsters go and download this crap?


sgg




Wow, someone's feewings got hurted.

There's nothing remotely secret here, my pink kitty cat hat wearing friend.

We literally post these videos so that you can see for yourself what OTHERS are saying. Others who are also Sci-Fi fans, kinda like all of us here who were brought together by something called FIREFLY. Which, I'm almost certain, we ALL enjoyed.

There's a large contingent of people who aren't thrilled with how certain franchises are being trashed. Be it Game of Thrones, Dr. Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Terminator...

Fans have opinions and aren't simply NPC drones who blindly , dutifully go see movies and buy merch simply because a big eared mouse tells them they must.

Try sticking to the thread topic, and post views on the actual issues. If you can.


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Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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TDF down 63% in its second weekend, only grossing an additional $10 Mil, dropping from 1st to 5th place, with little competition other than Joker which on its 6th weekend managed to pull in nearly $10 Mil itself.


https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Terminator-Dark-Fate-(2019)#tab=box-
office


Trending toward the rock bottom of the shaded area in the Numbers graph, showing that it has just as poor legs as they had predicted it would based off of the 1st weekend and the cinemascore rating.


Get woke, go broke.

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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:56 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You guys bring the motherfucking RWED to Cinema and expect candy and roses?
Fuck you both, plain and simple. You had your say, and I really don't give a shit what you say about a movie.

But when you come here with your bullshit, well let's just say I'm going to say something, especially if you don't see the movie and comment out yer ass.
Fuck politics here, in this space.

Yeah, Firefly, so the FUCK what!?

There are plenty of people everywhere that hate on certain franchises, there are people who feel that certain franchises have been ruined. Life sucks and then ya die. Again, so the fuck what? You want to talk about those fucking
things, be my guest, because both of you know that I will discuss any movie or film. PERIOD!

But don't come here with your political bullshit if you haven't seen the movie and talk shit. You're going by "I'm being replaced politics, white man bullshit." Fuck that. That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that you have guzzled too much of the Trump kool-aid. Things were fine when "white boys" were large and in charge in the movies. Now the trend is leaning in a different direction and you "boys" lose your shit.

Grow the fuck up!

If fans feel the need to protest, go right the fuck ahead. Last time I checked, it's a free country. Don't buy the merch, don't go to the movie, do whatever the fuck un-bunches your panties. You want to discuss politics, go to the fucking RWED. Don't bring that bullshit here, very simple.

Quote:

Try sticking to the thread topic, and post views on the actual issues. If you can.


You came here talking shit, so FUCK YOU. How's that for sticking to the topic.
If YOU can!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Do you guys take classes to come up with this shit, or is there a secret channel where shit-eating Trumpsters go and download this crap?


sgg




Wow, someone's feewings got hurted.

There's nothing remotely secret here, my pink kitty cat hat wearing friend.

We literally post these videos so that you can see for yourself what OTHERS are saying. Others who are also Sci-Fi fans, kinda like all of us here who were brought together by something called FIREFLY. Which, I'm almost certain, we ALL enjoyed.

There's a large contingent of people who aren't thrilled with how certain franchises are being trashed. Be it Game of Thrones, Dr. Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Terminator...

Fans have opinions and aren't simply NPC drones who blindly , dutifully go see movies and buy merch simply because a big eared mouse tells them they must.

Try sticking to the thread topic, and post views on the actual issues. If you can.



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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 8:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You really have nothing to say, do you?


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SHINYGOODGUY: You're right. It has nothing to do with Trump. So why bring him up?

ALSO SHINYGOODGUY: You guys better be careful drinking that Trump kool-aid or you may find yourself wearing a white dinner jacket with extra long sleeves in a padded room.



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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You really have nothing to say, do you?


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SHINYGOODGUY: You're right. It has nothing to do with Trump. So why bring him up?

ALSO SHINYGOODGUY: You guys better be careful drinking that Trump kool-aid or you may find yourself wearing a white dinner jacket with extra long sleeves in a padded room.



Do Right, Be Right. :)





Your hypocrisy speaks for itself.

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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You guys bring the motherfucking RWED to Cinema and expect candy and roses?
Fuck you both, plain and simple. You had your say, and I really don't give a shit what you say about a movie.

But when you come here with your bullshit, well let's just say I'm going to say something, especially if you don't see the movie and comment out yer ass.
Fuck politics here, in this space.

Yeah, Firefly, so the FUCK what!?

There are plenty of people everywhere that hate on certain franchises, there are people who feel that certain franchises have been ruined. Life sucks and then ya die. Again, so the fuck what? You want to talk about those fucking
things, be my guest, because both of you know that I will discuss any movie or film. PERIOD!

But don't come here with your political bullshit if you haven't seen the movie and talk shit. You're going by "I'm being replaced politics, white man bullshit." Fuck that. That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that you have guzzled too much of the Trump kool-aid. Things were fine when "white boys" were large and in charge in the movies. Now the trend is leaning in a different direction and you "boys" lose your shit.

Grow the fuck up!

If fans feel the need to protest, go right the fuck ahead. Last time I checked, it's a free country. Don't buy the merch, don't go to the movie, do whatever the fuck un-bunches your panties. You want to discuss politics, go to the fucking RWED. Don't bring that bullshit here, very simple.

Quote:

Try sticking to the thread topic, and post views on the actual issues. If you can.


You came here talking shit, so FUCK YOU. How's that for sticking to the topic.
If YOU can!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Do you guys take classes to come up with this shit, or is there a secret channel where shit-eating Trumpsters go and download this crap?


sgg




Wow, someone's feewings got hurted.

There's nothing remotely secret here, my pink kitty cat hat wearing friend.

We literally post these videos so that you can see for yourself what OTHERS are saying. Others who are also Sci-Fi fans, kinda like all of us here who were brought together by something called FIREFLY. Which, I'm almost certain, we ALL enjoyed.

There's a large contingent of people who aren't thrilled with how certain franchises are being trashed. Be it Game of Thrones, Dr. Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Terminator...

Fans have opinions and aren't simply NPC drones who blindly , dutifully go see movies and buy merch simply because a big eared mouse tells them they must.

Try sticking to the thread topic, and post views on the actual issues. If you can.






Were you a producer on this movie or something?

Why so angry?


I haven't seen a Terminator movie in 10 years. I'm not angry about what they did because I wasn't going to see it anyways, just like I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies either. Both franchises were ruined before the SJWs got to them.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to smile when another one of them crashes and burns and loses them a lot of money though.

Now that's entertainment!



Have a nice day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You guys bring the motherfucking RWED to Cinema and expect candy and roses?
Fuck you both, plain and simple. You had your say, and I really don't give a shit what you say about a movie.

But when you come here with your bullshit, well let's just say I'm going to say something, especially if you don't see the movie and comment out yer ass.
Fuck politics here, in this space. j



That anger you feel is actually coming from the fact that studios have CHOSEN to interject politics into almost EVERY DAMN MOVIE themselves, and fans of established series being fed up w/ it.

It's not MY bullshit, princess. It's established and acknowledged by the directors and actors themselves, and then that is reacted to by many others who see what I see, who also happen to review movies full time or at least part time.

Quote:

Yeah, Firefly, so the FUCK what!?

There are plenty of people everywhere that hate on certain franchises, there are people who feel that certain franchises have been ruined. Life sucks and then ya die. Again, so the fuck what? You want to talk about those fucking
things, be my guest, because both of you know that I will discuss any movie or film. PERIOD!



Say " fuck " one more time.

You're ridiculous when you're angry.

Again , you're missing the point. This woke-fest is coming from Hollywood on ALL franchises, whether it's those I love or never even paid much attention to. I'll take note of it in stuff like ' Batwahman ', which never was on my radar in the first place, but had it been a decent story, I'd have given it a try. Not so w/ this CW version.

But with the others... Dr. Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel... things I HAVE been a fan of or shown some interest in over a period of time, yes, it does hit closer to home because I have followed these franchises more closely and know when I'm being dumped on by the studios.

Rian Johnson, Chris Miller, Brie Larson.. yeah, comments directly from the people who MAKE the movies themselves.


Quote:



But don't come here with your political bullshit if you haven't seen the movie and talk shit. You're going by "I'm being replaced politics, white man bullshit." Fuck that. That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that you have guzzled too much of the Trump kool-aid. Things were fine when "white boys" were large and in charge in the movies. Now the trend is leaning in a different direction and you "boys" lose your shit.



Yet come here I have, and I refuse to give these a-holes any of MY money. And there's not 1 god damn thing you can do about it. And I will push back on this ' white man bad ' crap, all day long too. Because it's just lazy woke ass garbage that has zero place in established Sci-Fi franchises. If Hollywood wants to start whole new stories where this stuff happens, let them. Don't take what's already out there and rewrite it to make Hollywood feel good about having to atone for the #MeToo B.S. which was THEIR OWN MAKING ! I will not pay for the sins of Hollywood. Never.

And this has zero to do w/ Trump. My god, check your TDS meds.


Quote:



Grow the fuck up!



Says the potty mouthed man baby.

Quote:



If fans feel the need to protest, go right the fuck ahead. Last time I checked, it's a free country. Don't buy the merch, don't go to the movie, do whatever the fuck un-bunches your panties. You want to discuss politics, go to the fucking RWED. Don't bring that bullshit here, very simple.



Not paying for the movies, not watching the shows, not buying the merch... is EXACTLY what I and millions of others are doing. And expressing WHY that's happening can happen here as it can happen in RWED. Why? Because the STUIDOS, not the fans, have decided to interject current day politics into their works. Not mere casual references, or a nod here or there, but fully intertwined their agendas into established characters, some who don't even share our galaxy or live in our time. Go figure.

Quote:



You came here talking shit, so FUCK YOU. How's that for sticking to the topic.
If YOU can!




I stick to the topic, show my reasons behind my views, and also share what others are saying, so that it's made abundantly clear that I'm not merely 'talking out of my ass '.

You are free to disagree.

Thank you veeerrry much.



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