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A World Without Clouds

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Friday, October 9, 2020 7:38 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


A World Without Clouds

A state-of-the-art supercomputer simulation indicates that a feedback loop between global warming and cloud loss can push Earth’s climate past a disastrous tipping point in as little as a century.


A picture emerged of a brief, cataclysmic hot spell 56 million years ago, now known as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). After heat-trapping carbon leaked into the sky from an unknown source, the planet, which was already several degrees Celsius hotter than it is today, gained an additional 6 degrees. The ocean turned jacuzzi-hot near the equator and experienced mass extinctions worldwide. On land, primitive monkeys, horses and other early mammals marched northward, following vegetation to higher latitudes. The mammals also miniaturized over generations, as leaves became less nutritious in the carbonaceous air. Violent storms ravaged the planet; the geologic record indicates flash floods and protracted droughts.

The PETM doesn’t only provide a past example of CO2-driven climate change; scientists say it also points to an unknown factor that has an outsize influence on Earth’s climate. When the planet got hot, it got really hot. Ancient warming episodes like the PETM were always far more extreme than theoretical models of the climate suggest they should have been. Even after accounting for differences in geography, ocean currents and vegetation during these past episodes, paleoclimatologists find that something big appears to be missing from their models — an X-factor whose wild swings leave no trace in the fossil record.

Evidence is mounting in favor of the answer that experts have long suspected but have only recently been capable of exploring in detail. “It’s quite clear at this point that the answer is clouds,” said Matt Huber, a paleoclimate modeler at Purdue University.



https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-globa
l-warming-20190225
/



Assuming we do nothing different, that could be our planet in 100 years. For sure I won't be around to see it.

But I have a question for JACK.

JACK, I know you blame my generation for every wrong (and THAT'S a complete misunderstanding of who is driving this bus!). But my generation is dying out.

I'm curious if you've ever wondered what the generations after you will think of you.

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Friday, October 9, 2020 8:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I guess I doubled the post when I added the last paragraph...

Whoopsie.

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Friday, October 9, 2020 9:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody even mentions GenX in 2020. I doubt history is going to say much about us at all. We'll be forgotten.

Not that I really care. And if there aren't any clouds in our future the bitching won't last very long anyhow.




Interestingly, I think the hate focus on the Boomer generation is largely to do with our politics. Boomer politicians on both sides refuse to retire and some of the worst that both sides have to offer are the oldest of the bunch. Especially in a year like 2020 when politics was forced into the faces of people that don't even normally want to have anything to do with it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 9, 2020 11:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
A World Without Clouds

A state-of-the-art supercomputer simulation indicates that a feedback loop between global warming and cloud loss can push Earth’s climate past a disastrous tipping point in as little as a century.


A picture emerged of a brief, cataclysmic hot spell 56 million years ago, now known as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). After heat-trapping carbon leaked into the sky from an unknown source, the planet, which was already several degrees Celsius hotter than it is today, gained an additional 6 degrees. The ocean turned jacuzzi-hot near the equator and experienced mass extinctions worldwide. On land, primitive monkeys, horses and other early mammals marched northward, following vegetation to higher latitudes. The mammals also miniaturized over generations, as leaves became less nutritious in the carbonaceous air. Violent storms ravaged the planet; the geologic record indicates flash floods and protracted droughts.

The PETM doesn’t only provide a past example of CO2-driven climate change; scientists say it also points to an unknown factor that has an outsize influence on Earth’s climate. When the planet got hot, it got really hot. Ancient warming episodes like the PETM were always far more extreme than theoretical models of the climate suggest they should have been. Even after accounting for differences in geography, ocean currents and vegetation during these past episodes, paleoclimatologists find that something big appears to be missing from their models — an X-factor whose wild swings leave no trace in the fossil record.

Evidence is mounting in favor of the answer that experts have long suspected but have only recently been capable of exploring in detail. “It’s quite clear at this point that the answer is clouds,” said Matt Huber, a paleoclimate modeler at Purdue University.





https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-globa
l-warming-20190225
/


What a depressing thought! The current models assume that higher temperatures will loft more moisture into the air, causing more cloud cover and greater precipitation overall. That would be TWO negative feedback loops: greater cloud cover, and luxuriant vegetative growth soaking up more CO2.

If true, this is terrible.

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