Single Payer Healthcare Strikes Yet Again by JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Single Payer Healthcare Strikes Yet Again

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Friday, January 7, 2022 06:31
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Wednesday, January 5, 2022 4:41 PM

Another 24 year old with fatal injury sent home with Tylenol.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/woman-went-hospital-back-pain-090000185.html
We need to import that system to America. And give it to Congress, Nancy, and Obiden/Bama/Commie-la.

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Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The US should fail as spectacularly as Canada.

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage.

In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year.

A December 2019 poll conducted by Gallup found 25% of Americans say they or a family member have delayed medical treatment for a serious illness due to the costs of care, and an additional 8% report delaying medical treatment for less serious illnesses.

A study conducted by the American Cancer Society in May 2019 found 56% of adults in America report having at least one medical financial hardship, and researchers warned the problem is likely to worsen unless action is taken.

Despite millions of Americans delaying medical treatment due to the costs, the US still spends the most on healthcare of any developed nation in the world, while covering fewer people and achieving worse overall health outcomes. A 2017 analysis found the United States ranks 24th globally in achieving health goals set by the United Nations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-m
edical-costs

I'm sorry if facts are too difficult for you to comprehended.

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Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I have a few Canadian friends in Ontario. One got SPECTACULAR healthcare when he was dxd with lymphoma when he started coughing up blood. (Sorry don't recall if Hodgkin's or not). When they opened him up and discovered tumor too extensive/ non- operable he got the full Monty- harvested his bone marrow, killed his entire immune system including the tumor, re-implanted his (cleaned up) bone marrow stem cells.. and he is alive today, 30 years later

I have another friend, elderly, who has diagnosed prostate cancer as well as atonic bladder. He's getting what I call the "slow walk", no surgery and no fix despite the fact that he has had to catheterize himself 3x per day for .. years now. Plus, he toosed up some worrisome liver enzyme results and has to wait months for an MRI.

I heard that once upon a time England's NHS service refused to dialyze anyone over 50 bc... hey, they were too old.

So there is some aspect of rationing going on, whether it's affordability by the individual (if you can't afford it, you can't have it) or by government

Single payer would be a HUGE benefit to small businesses, since ppl are sometimes stuck in jobs bc of benefits, and starting a small business is so risky bc startups can't afford insurance and business owners can't afford to get sick.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

OTOH a coworker of mine had an elderly mother who lived in Ontario, who received excellent care for what could have been a deadly case of multiple-drug-resistant pneumonia, who lived another 8 years to well into her 90's.

But yes - one must be aware of what's considered the 'standard of care' in a single-payer system. Bc care/ treatment needs to meet the minimum, but doesn't have to go above and beyond in theory, even if it often does in practice. Also, maybe your friend needs to find another doctor who's more amenable to doing more.

OTOH, fwiw I'd rather have the Canadian system, with their existing standard of care and their taxes, than the US system any day.

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Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm very happy with my healthcare. I'm not sure whether I would like the Canadian system, or the care that I would get. Seems like it might be like Kaiser, but nationwide. Been there, done that.

So from a completely selfish POV I want what I have. OTOH I realize it's a clusterfuck full of waste ("administrative costs" and profits being the biggest sucker-uppers of $$$) and tragedy. If there was some way to keep my level of care but institute single-payer, I would.

I THINK my healthcare provider is pretty cost-effective bc the premiums on my Medigap policy are pretty cheap and haven't gone up in two years. So it's possible that my healthcare provider would fit comfortably in a single-payer system.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, January 7, 2022 3:48 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I think we'd do well if our system was just like Canada's. But I do think there'd be a really rough transition to it, as people who previously didn't receive any or enough medical care got folded into the current health system. It'd be a wave of sick people, needing care, entering a system designed for only about 2/3 of the number of patients. And on top of that there'd be a backlog of unaddressed medical needs.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 6:31 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Your system sounds completely and utterly fucked, but at least you get free rapid antigen tests, which is more than we get here right now.

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